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This is the first other forum where I have ever seen linki. What a blast from the past.

Vote: Caitlinuwu
Correct me if I’m wrong, but earlier you were talking about keeping post count at a level so you could respond if anything wacky happened. But you are now 3 off cap, this struck me as quite odd. Also, you were pointing fingers at my good pal ExLight and I can say he is more at his town meta now than his scum play. The earlier argument also felt a little too defensive and to me feels you are hiding something.

Cait is town 

Bit weird how I dropped to near last on Icet's list but was in the top 3 last time?

reevalling go brrr

How are they bottom 3? With all due respect they're obvious town. And if you're that confident on me being scum, didn't you say we're not svs? 

I haven't finished backreading everything yet but again JJJ / Calla are town for me due to the reasons stated.

I haven't really made a read on ExLight / Numbers but I do remember really liking their posts and Bob's towncore sounds good enough for me to sheep it, which also leans Bob as town to me

I remember liking Cait posting but don't remember why


This is ordered FYI
Town
JJJ
Calla

Town Lean
Bob
Exlight
Numbers
(ExLight and Numbers aren't ordered)

Town Null
Cait
Jamie

Scum Read
Luka

POE = Leesbra / Serif

I can be convinced to vote Jamie I think? I remember really liking their 1 post

Why do you have a POE when you have a scum read here? I also think me and Leesbra are very unpaired rn using my own playstyle as you said. 

In my earlier adventures through this beautiful whimsical land I overhead an adventurer by the name of Luka I think it was making reads here and there. Quite an unusual fellow. Quick to issue an opinion. Sort of lad that'd get himself into a mischief in a tavern in my experience.

Now... he was saying he'd be accused of having TMI... and I'm not about to say that means anything because it doesn't. But a couple of the people he made townreads on I didn't really share.

It was so long ago and I've had a belly full of ale so you'll need to forgive me but the people that it was were several and the only one I remember was Leesbra.

That's all to say I think Leesbra is a little bit ... perturbing. Non glorious. Not a lot but certainly a little and I suppose one would be forgiven for finding it interesting Luka was spreading the good word about the fellow.

Yes, Luka is sus
But many others, including myself, also townread Leesbra
So why do you specifically come after Luka for this?

Luka's read was the most flippant.

Id stake my life on Leesbra / Cait being town 

idt town luka makes these reads that early on in the game

Thanks. Here's a more general question to help me engage with this notion, since I don't have any background with Luka. Would you say it's unusual for Luka to make reads in general that early in the game, or is it those specific reads that strike you as off?

I was in a game that cet was hosting where I made similar reads as town. They're objectively incorrect with this read and I dont think they make it with this timing.  

I think I will retract my vote and suspicion on Leesbra for now.

Vote: IcetFeelsPain

But Leesbra didnt rlly do much more

Back, btw

I have explained my re-evaluation of Leesbra in subsequent posts. It is largely due to your own read so I'm curious why you are taking issue with me developing a townread on your townread?

Well I thought the progress was weird? I wouldve read more on it but I literally just returned, so I didnt know you wrote more on it.

Fair enough. Essentially one part sheeping others, one part developing a theory of what the mafia would be acting like in this gamestate and them not fitting into it.

IceT that question is quite odd. Firstly I have at length explained to you why I suspect you and all you need to do is read the posts available to you.

Secondly no I'm not suspecting you due to your read on me being anti consensus albeit the fact that it is lends me to think that it is not as reasonable a read as you think it is.

At any rate your response is rather townie.

Jay what is your issue with Jamie?

You said if I was being opportunistic in my voting for going you for past meta BC other people TR you

Then you said my opening is scummy (I really don't see how it is)

Then you said my wallpost is scummy 

I don't really understand your push on me BC it seems entirely made up of confirmation bias

heya Cait

please don't tunnel on me again cait, I'm town again

this prob isnt w/w

Quoting on this forum is so hard alongside the sounds

Lol that reminds me of champs spec chat

Ppl had a theory that 'Hey everyone' actually was my towntell, and 'Hey' my scumtell

Because I always start with one of the two, unlike what Luka says...

I only said you don’t start with it in night starts as town. The joke is you die.

this is daystart?

Also I suppose I should intro since I think Ex is the only one I know here...

I'm JayDreven (JD), Numbers, 15377 (specifically), NoName, Queenie, HangryHangryHippo, BlackDiagonalDragon, Hail_Hydra (1/2), umm....that might be all the names I've played under. I possibly have more years playing mafia than some of you have life experience. I will questionably be the lowest poster here. MU loves it when I do that in the hydra event too. I generally consider myself mediocre at this game.

Also I'll be basing my day 1 reads based strictly on who does and doesn't bandwagon Cait.

townie

Critical mission objective: determine how to deactivate PM notifications of every quote and mention.

I want to know as well 😭

I can't be bothered to quote anything but I think jimmy's starting posts are super townie, somewhat cait as well

By the way, @Caitlinuwu I made a small lie. It isnt in my favorite players to play with, its my favorite people online. Small distinction
You would be Number 8 if we're only counting mafia players.

where am I



fyi don't think Luka / Cait are w/w or Luka / Jimmy (not entirely sure on Luka / Jimmy)

Hi! Just want to stop in!

I'm Callahan : )

I'll be rereading what I missed, but excited to play with you all! Already at 10 pages so, the game is pretty active, which is good!

Hello there Callahan. Usually I wouldn’t be this active, but with a post minimum and whatever rule Caitlin was talking about, I kinda have to.
Either way welcome on.

The rule is cait kills you if you low post

skill issue
WIM IS COMPLETELY AI FOR LUKA BTW
they low post as town and high post as scum

Quote 1: Unsure if I should feel honored, or insulted by this attention! If you are implying that I'm already really wolfy, then you should vote me though. And Idk how informative votes on me will rlly be? I tend to attract both town and mafia voting me, usually

Neither? Luka's mini-push had put you as a front and center focal point early in the game so seeing how people react to that is what I'll claim my reads are based on but in reality since I don't know meta behind most of the players here I'll probably just be going off vibes today while I get a sense of everybody.

For example, Luka seemed to be intentionally hard town reading people on the fly for nothing as a manner of reading their reactions. The initial read is irrelevant and the true read lies in how they respond to being town read. For me this is town points to Luka because it provides a better read than gauging people off a hard push/suggested wagon (while they also did that it was more jokey/less follow through) which would be aimed at just stirring turmoil.

pretty sure that's what scum Luka does I don't recall town luka reading people that way off the top of my head Vote: Luka think im doing it right?

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

that's why I TR Jimmy


you might be right Jimmy could be Mafia but I'm TRing them for now and I think you're town for making this post lol

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

This is a very uncharitable interpretation of what I had to say.

First of all, reducing a player's effort to explain a thought process clearly to "look at me I'm so townie and progressive" is incredibly unfair. You've taken a post where I had quite a lot to say, and you have twisted it in whatever manner you can to portray it as me saying nothing. Time to color code.

Green: You have referenced a portion of my post where I described why "Leesbra's second game" it is important to me and asked me why I brought up Leesbra's second game. The answer to that question is in the post. Players often fall into particular archetypes when they are brand new to the game, and I described what I have often observed from players who are brand new to the game. That is absolutely relevant to interpreting Leesbra's alignment, and I described precisely why I felt that way.

Suggesting my commentary is "nothing" or "pointless" or "overcompensating" without actually engaging with any of it is disingenuous. I don't like that.

Orange: Absolutely no thanks. I provided the direction earlier in the post (and in the post that preceded it on the same topic): here's why I think there's a valid reason to town read Leesbra. That is a direction. You are quoting a post that expresses that direction. It's right there. And in that third paragraph, I acknowledged that it's not a super confident read, and that I am not certain. That's called being responsible with a take. And yet even still, in the very same third paragraph, I reiterated my viewpoint. I have often seen brand new town players do what Leesbra did.

Red: This extends from the orange bit, really, but it drives home why I don't like this so much. You would have to ignore the words in the post to come to this conclusion about it. Of course I accept that my read can be taken with a grain of salt, and I should. Anyone that doesn't allow for that in a read they've made on someone they've never played with before is being a little ridiculous.

I struggle to believe that you read my post in good faith and came to those conclusions. It looks like you decided what your read on me was and then formulated an argument to justify it.

Vote: callahan

don't know if you guys still suspect each other don't think you are voting each other last time I checked, but I think you 2 are t/t. Luka is the scum here though.

posting this now so y'all know I existed and so this doesn't get too long I read up to page 11

Wim is AI in that I do it more as scum, however I still can have high WIM as town. You know this for a fact and neglecting this is really funny to me

hehe actually I've really wanted to see whether you'd pocket me response or accuse me of it

I do both as scum so this read is really weird?
This more seems going after somebody who said they were going to be AFK the day and couldnt defend themselves 

Jay what is your issue with Jamie?

Jamie is probably the only player for whom I hold some concrete suspicion that cannot, as yet, be challenged by the meta provided by anyone else. They seem floaty, and I have reasons to question the sincerity of some of their town reads.

Was there something in particular you liked from them?

Yes but without the benefit of the ISO feature  I don't really think I'll be finding it.

I was in a game that cet was hosting where I made similar reads as town. They're objectively incorrect with this read and I dont think they make it with this timing. 

By this do you mean you think Icet is embellishing? I just want to be clear.

I think I will retract my vote and suspicion on Leesbra for now.

Vote: IcetFeelsPain

But Leesbra didnt rlly do much more

Back, btw

I have explained my re-evaluation of Leesbra in subsequent posts. It is largely due to your own read so I'm curious why you are taking issue with me developing a townread on your townread?

Well I thought the progress was weird? I wouldve read more on it but I literally just returned, so I didnt know you wrote more on it.

Fair enough. Essentially one part sheeping others, one part developing a theory of what the mafia would be acting like in this gamestate and them not fitting into it.

Oki

Sorry I just didnt know you wrote things on it and assumed it was just odd progression-wise

Just like I think its odd I dropped from 3rd to like 2nd to last in Icet's list when I had 0 posts inbetween, and nobody else rlly had any either (abour 30-45 more posts total)

Hey everyone, I’m Jamie, looking forward to playing with you.
You might have been able to guess but I’ve played with ExLight before, but I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure of playing with anyone else here before.

My current thoughts on everything that’s happened so far in thread is that:

• Luka has looked good to me, actively trying to create discussion and general response to everything is making me town lean them.
• With JJJ and Callahan’s argument I think JJJ looks better to me, I agree with the point that early reads should be taken with a pinch of salt, but eventually you should be having full confidence in your reads.
• Caitlin and Ex look fine to me as of right now
• Leesbra I do not have a confident read on but they have been towny enough so far, their earlier stance on post activity I did not agree with and it felt kinda coasty to me with the “locked” town read from Luka.
• For everyone else I do not yet have an opinion on them.

Some of this pinged me. Let's talk about it, Jamie.

The first two bullets are a bit lukewarm for lack of a better word. The view about Luka strikes me as defaulted. I'm not sure Luka had to clear much of a barrier to reach this town lean. And I'm not sure the view about me "looking better" is coming from the right stuff in my argument with callahan. I may indeed be right about the idea that early game confidence is allowed to be relaxed, but I'm not sure why that would make me look better (i.e., look more town, assuming that is the intended interpretation). That's a philosophy more than it's a read. I'd appreciate if you could expand on these things.

Is this what you are referring too?

I do think that Jamie here is indeed being 'lukewarm' so to say. My vote still is fine being in one of Jamie/Ex/Numbers. Jamie > Ex > Numbers is my preference right now

Actually, Cait is Null to me
Like I said I don't think her reaction was AI and I get mixed feelings from the mini beef with Luka and sudden shade at me

So being upset over being insulted is now sus? Lmao, okay. Well sucks that I'm a very sensitive person then huh, being hurt by Luka makes me lock mafia

Also you played with me before

I shaded ppl constantly there as well. So what exactly is sus about this?

Separate note: I somewhat null on GloriousBob, but I also know them very well as a player. I am not bothered by their posts to this point and want to let them flourish a bit in their own way. I probably won't vote there today.

Earlier Cait mentioned that he was playing unlike Mac, who he claimed to be
Do you agree or disagree with her? Can you tell me a bit on what this Mac person is like?

I do think Mac = Bob, this seems to imply that I don't think so? Also I didn't rlly spec the games Mac was in at champs btw, but I did for example play with Mac in a mountainous game and there Mac was very.. intense and involved. We didn't rlly get along. Bob however is chill & goofy, which is... very different

I don't think this is scum indicative fwiw, if anything, blatantly playing diff is probably townie since it might attract some scumreads

my vote on Luka is not counted so I'm somehow voting wrong

I'd prefer a Luka wagon here over Jamie and Cait ^^^

Earlier I maybe would've been up for Luka, but right now not really. Luka is one of the driving forces this game, a bit too demotivated to be mafia I feel like, and also won't be able to claim PR if wagoned incase they happen to be well, PR. So that makes Luka a pretty risky vote, and I also just don't rlly think Luka is a hit anymore

This is post cap

PS: I'll be back in the final hour, but sadly like 15 minutes late probably because something came up

And for ppl expecting me to preserve posts: I literally won't be here till postcap lifts. So for what would I preserve posts for? Tell me

Im busy IRL. my motivation has nothing to do with my low posting. This is a really akward forum for me to post on. 

GloriousBob: 1 (ExLight)
IcetFeelsPain: 1 (GloriousBob)
JamieIsBored: 2 (Caitlinuwu, JaggedJimmyJay)
Caitlinuwu: 1 (JamieIsBored)

The amount of ppl not voting is honestly rlly odd

I was in a game that cet was hosting where I made similar reads as town. They're objectively incorrect with this read and I dont think they make it with this timing. 

By this do you mean you think Icet is embellishing? I just want to be clear.

yeah I think theyre mafia 

This is the first other forum where I have ever seen linki. What a blast from the past.

What is Linki lol

GloriousBob: 1 (ExLight)
IcetFeelsPain: 1 (GloriousBob)
JamieIsBored: 2 (Caitlinuwu, JaggedJimmyJay)
Caitlinuwu: 1 (JamieIsBored)

The amount of ppl not voting is honestly rlly odd

Havent you post capped

IceT that question is quite odd. Firstly I have at length explained to you why I suspect you and all you need to do is read the posts available to you.

Secondly no I'm not suspecting you due to your read on me being anti consensus albeit the fact that it is lends me to think that it is not as reasonable a read as you think it is.

At any rate your response is rather townie.

Jay what is your issue with Jamie?

You said if I was being opportunistic in my voting for going you for past meta BC other people TR you

Then you said my opening is scummy (I really don't see how it is)

Then you said my wallpost is scummy

I don't really understand your push on me BC it seems entirely made up of confirmation bias

That may be because you have your own confirmation bias to assist you finding yourself townier than you think you are lol.

Also I saw Ex - I believe, can someone with a good memory verify if it was Ex - say it was odd that I didnt break the tie, when I clearly explained why I didnt. I didnt like the wagons. I specifically stated this. It was the person I was voting, myself and my 3 TRs at the time. So why does Ex think its odd I didnt vote there lmao