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Vote: Caitlinuwu
Correct me if I’m wrong, but earlier you were talking about keeping post count at a level so you could respond if anything wacky happened. But you are now 3 off cap, this struck me as quite odd. Also, you were pointing fingers at my good pal ExLight and I can say he is more at his town meta now than his scum play. The earlier argument also felt a little too defensive and to me feels you are hiding something.

This honestly is a bullshit accusation but okay

Why would I preserve my postcount? So I can reply to things. What did I do when I reached 72 posts? I spent time with my girlfriend next -> so clearly, I wasn't gonna be posting anyway. Now I have like 15 mins, and after that when I return - the postcap will already have been lifted! I preserved posts when I could use them, I now knew I wouldnt be able to use them later, so I used my posts when I was available? But wow so odd of me that I posted when I was online...

The way ppl go around ExLight is honestly quite hilarious. If it's in someone's favor that they know ExLight, then suddenly experience with ExLight becomes invalid. If in this case I don't know Ex's meta, which from what I have seen Ex actually is not in then I'm suddenly mafia for not realizing Ex is in his supposed town meta, even tho, the only two times I saw Ex play, they played nothing like this. And they were town both times

Lmao 'feels you are hiding something' this is mafia, not some cartoon detective show

Vote: JamieIsBored

Vote: Caitlinuwu
Correct me if I’m wrong, but earlier you were talking about keeping post count at a level so you could respond if anything wacky happened. But you are now 3 off cap, this struck me as quite odd. Also, you were pointing fingers at my good pal ExLight and I can say he is more at his town meta now than his scum play. The earlier argument also felt a little too defensive and to me feels you are hiding something.

this post is super townie btw

Why is it bad that I asked Ex why they suddenly showed up? They weren't there. They get accused and they IMMEDIATELY pop up. This, in my eyes, could mean 2 sus things;
- Ex was lurking
Or
- Ex is mafia and their teammate attended them of being accused

So imo asking Ex why they suddenly showed up is a completely normal question. Popping up right away after being accused is either a coincidence, or pretty sus

my vote on Luka is not counted so I'm somehow voting wrong

I'd prefer a Luka wagon here over Jamie and Cait ^^^

Vote: Luka

Hey everyone, I’m Jamie, looking forward to playing with you.
You might have been able to guess but I’ve played with ExLight before, but I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure of playing with anyone else here before.

My current thoughts on everything that’s happened so far in thread is that:

• Luka has looked good to me, actively trying to create discussion and general response to everything is making me town lean them.
• With JJJ and Callahan’s argument I think JJJ looks better to me, I agree with the point that early reads should be taken with a pinch of salt, but eventually you should be having full confidence in your reads.
• Caitlin and Ex look fine to me as of right now
• Leesbra I do not have a confident read on but they have been towny enough so far, their earlier stance on post activity I did not agree with and it felt kinda coasty to me with the “locked” town read from Luka.
• For everyone else I do not yet have an opinion on them.

Some of this pinged me. Let's talk about it, Jamie.

The first two bullets are a bit lukewarm for lack of a better word. The view about Luka strikes me as defaulted. I'm not sure Luka had to clear much of a barrier to reach this town lean. And I'm not sure the view about me "looking better" is coming from the right stuff in my argument with callahan. I may indeed be right about the idea that early game confidence is allowed to be relaxed, but I'm not sure why that would make me look better (i.e., look more town, assuming that is the intended interpretation). That's a philosophy more than it's a read. I'd appreciate if you could expand on these things.

Is this what you are referring too?

I do think that Jamie here is indeed being 'lukewarm' so to say. My vote still is fine being in one of Jamie/Ex/Numbers. Jamie > Ex > Numbers is my preference right now

Actually, Cait is Null to me
Like I said I don't think her reaction was AI and I get mixed feelings from the mini beef with Luka and sudden shade at me

So being upset over being insulted is now sus? Lmao, okay. Well sucks that I'm a very sensitive person then huh, being hurt by Luka makes me lock mafia

Also you played with me before

I shaded ppl constantly there as well. So what exactly is sus about this?

Separate note: I somewhat null on GloriousBob, but I also know them very well as a player. I am not bothered by their posts to this point and want to let them flourish a bit in their own way. I probably won't vote there today.

Earlier Cait mentioned that he was playing unlike Mac, who he claimed to be
Do you agree or disagree with her? Can you tell me a bit on what this Mac person is like?

I do think Mac = Bob, this seems to imply that I don't think so? Also I didn't rlly spec the games Mac was in at champs btw, but I did for example play with Mac in a mountainous game and there Mac was very.. intense and involved. We didn't rlly get along. Bob however is chill & goofy, which is... very different

I don't think this is scum indicative fwiw, if anything, blatantly playing diff is probably townie since it might attract some scumreads

my vote on Luka is not counted so I'm somehow voting wrong

I'd prefer a Luka wagon here over Jamie and Cait ^^^

Earlier I maybe would've been up for Luka, but right now not really. Luka is one of the driving forces this game, a bit too demotivated to be mafia I feel like, and also won't be able to claim PR if wagoned incase they happen to be well, PR. So that makes Luka a pretty risky vote, and I also just don't rlly think Luka is a hit anymore

This is post cap

PS: I'll be back in the final hour, but sadly like 15 minutes late probably because something came up

And for ppl expecting me to preserve posts: I literally won't be here till postcap lifts. So for what would I preserve posts for? Tell me

Why is it bad that I asked Ex why they suddenly showed up? They weren't there. They get accused and they IMMEDIATELY pop up. This, in my eyes, could mean 2 sus things;
- Ex was lurking
Or
- Ex is mafia and their teammate attended them of being accused

So imo asking Ex why they suddenly showed up is a completely normal question. Popping up right away after being accused is either a coincidence, or pretty sus

3) Or I just have amazing timing?

Why would I even be bothered by you attacking me if I were scum? I'd just shrug it off and it would die down.

I had just gotten home after some irl stuff and seen the notifs in the server announcing the new subs and went to check the thread to see if there was any progress

I already explained that 


Not sure how you expect me to prove that and if your case on me will be you paranoid about me lying over something trivial and non-game related like this idk how we'll be able to interact properly.

To be completely honest I'm having a bit of trouble getting anything useful from this read up. Its early days and I don't know any of you very well yet so I can't really distinguish what is in character or not. I'll pay attention to some specifics for now that aren't as reliant on those factors and I'll let everyone know as things come up. Sorry about that

I forgot to mention Calla is town

Actually, Cait is Null to me
Like I said I don't think her reaction was AI and I get mixed feelings from the mini beef with Luka and sudden shade at me

So being upset over being insulted is now sus? Lmao, okay. Well sucks that I'm a very sensitive person then huh, being hurt by Luka makes me lock mafia

Also you played with me before

I shaded ppl constantly there as well. So what exactly is sus about this?

Separate note: I somewhat null on GloriousBob, but I also know them very well as a player. I am not bothered by their posts to this point and want to let them flourish a bit in their own way. I probably won't vote there today.

Earlier Cait mentioned that he was playing unlike Mac, who he claimed to be
Do you agree or disagree with her? Can you tell me a bit on what this Mac person is like?

I do think Mac = Bob, this seems to imply that I don't think so? Also I didn't rlly spec the games Mac was in at champs btw, but I did for example play with Mac in a mountainous game and there Mac was very.. intense and involved. We didn't rlly get along. Bob however is chill & goofy, which is... very different

I don't think this is scum indicative fwiw, if anything, blatantly playing diff is probably townie since it might attract some scumreads

This is post cap

PS: I'll be back in the final hour, but sadly like 15 minutes late probably because something came up

And for ppl expecting me to preserve posts: I literally won't be here till postcap lifts. So for what would I preserve posts for? Tell me

No, like I said being upset at being insulted is NAI. Literally nowhere in my post I called any of this "sus".

Flipflopping your reads due to getting emotional is usually townie. Putting words in my mouth and pushing for me when you think I lowered my guard is scummy though.

Sum things up you end up in null in my reads.


And I'm not sure how you're interpreting it as you not believing him to be Mac? I'm saying *I* am the own skeptical about/ thrown off by it.
I appreciate the context of the meta on him though.

she's literally tunneling on me again i cant even

Why is it bad that I asked Ex why they suddenly showed up? They weren't there. They get accused and they IMMEDIATELY pop up. This, in my eyes, could mean 2 sus things;
- Ex was lurking
Or
- Ex is mafia and their teammate attended them of being accused

So imo asking Ex why they suddenly showed up is a completely normal question. Popping up right away after being accused is either a coincidence, or pretty sus

Posts like this read to me as pretty townie. It's an overextension, I don't really agree with what's being said (wolfy pop-ins are real it's just I don't see this here) but I think a wolf would avoid making such an accusation if it didn't come from genuine emotion? I'd at least leave this slot alone today

I looked back over Numbers, and my impression is similar as for ExLight. Their posts exist.

I am a bit unclear on their reads, which at times seem sort of "implied" rather than stated clearly. @Numbers, I'd appreciate if you could clarify where you stand on everyone. A reads list or something similar would be super.

Generally I try not to stand on people and probably tend to favor their left side, likely because I'm a righty myself.

I've stated very few reads so your view isn't surprising. But since you asked, here's some rainbow sherbet:

GloriousBob
Ex
Luka
Callahan
Serif
IceT
JJJ
Jamie
Leesbra
Cait

BobbyMac isn't a hard town read but when you're that glorious you get to be green anyway. While this might not be Mac that I know from hydra games I feel like it's in line for Bob's presence in London adventure so I feel like that is NAI Bob persona vs how Mac just normally plays. I talked about why Luka had town points before and Ex just feels like he does whenever I rope him into games and he's half paying attention which I would attribute to lower pressure town!Ex vs scum!Ex. Serif, T, and Jamie are replacement null for now. Callahan I didn't really have issue with in terms of stances, as said before the over the top bit just gives me pause because I don't have meta experience there. On the other side of that coin is JJJ who I feel is performative but I'm paused from orange sherberting here because I feel like it's NAI performance. Like they might just be a theater kid and love the showman aspect. Leesbra gets to be orange because I reviewed their other game and do not feel they were nearly as timid. Could be dichotomy of alignments but could also just be them attempting to course correct since they were caught wolf day 2. Would rather see more out of the slot than see them go over though. Cait gets to be orange because the "why did you suddenly show up?" question just doesn't sit well with me. The only thing it does for a town!Cait is set up the argument that Ex was creeping in thread just waiting for somebody to mention him but that's like a horrible argument from a town perspective but would be an easy thing for a wolf to pounce on. I don't really expect a champs player to go for that low of fruit but also it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

please vote!

While I want wagons on Jamie and Cait I also want some pressure on Bob because his vote on Leesbra feels opportunistic and aiming at a LHF plus they have yet to make an impression on me.

Hey everyone, I’m Jamie, looking forward to playing with you.
You might have been able to guess but I’ve played with ExLight before, but I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure of playing with anyone else here before.

My current thoughts on everything that’s happened so far in thread is that:

• Luka has looked good to me, actively trying to create discussion and general response to everything is making me town lean them.
• With JJJ and Callahan’s argument I think JJJ looks better to me, I agree with the point that early reads should be taken with a pinch of salt, but eventually you should be having full confidence in your reads.
• Caitlin and Ex look fine to me as of right now
• Leesbra I do not have a confident read on but they have been towny enough so far, their earlier stance on post activity I did not agree with and it felt kinda coasty to me with the “locked” town read from Luka.
• For everyone else I do not yet have an opinion on them.

Some of this pinged me. Let's talk about it, Jamie.

The first two bullets are a bit lukewarm for lack of a better word. The view about Luka strikes me as defaulted. I'm not sure Luka had to clear much of a barrier to reach this town lean. And I'm not sure the view about me "looking better" is coming from the right stuff in my argument with callahan. I may indeed be right about the idea that early game confidence is allowed to be relaxed, but I'm not sure why that would make me look better (i.e., look more town, assuming that is the intended interpretation). That's a philosophy more than it's a read. I'd appreciate if you could expand on these things.

Is this what you are referring too?

I do think that Jamie here is indeed being 'lukewarm' so to say. My vote still is fine being in one of Jamie/Ex/Numbers. Jamie > Ex > Numbers is my preference right now

Actually, Cait is Null to me
Like I said I don't think her reaction was AI and I get mixed feelings from the mini beef with Luka and sudden shade at me

So being upset over being insulted is now sus? Lmao, okay. Well sucks that I'm a very sensitive person then huh, being hurt by Luka makes me lock mafia

Also you played with me before

I shaded ppl constantly there as well. So what exactly is sus about this?

Separate note: I somewhat null on GloriousBob, but I also know them very well as a player. I am not bothered by their posts to this point and want to let them flourish a bit in their own way. I probably won't vote there today.

Earlier Cait mentioned that he was playing unlike Mac, who he claimed to be
Do you agree or disagree with her? Can you tell me a bit on what this Mac person is like?

I do think Mac = Bob, this seems to imply that I don't think so? Also I didn't rlly spec the games Mac was in at champs btw, but I did for example play with Mac in a mountainous game and there Mac was very.. intense and involved. We didn't rlly get along. Bob however is chill & goofy, which is... very different

I don't think this is scum indicative fwiw, if anything, blatantly playing diff is probably townie since it might attract some scumreads

my vote on Luka is not counted so I'm somehow voting wrong

I'd prefer a Luka wagon here over Jamie and Cait ^^^

Earlier I maybe would've been up for Luka, but right now not really. Luka is one of the driving forces this game, a bit too demotivated to be mafia I feel like, and also won't be able to claim PR if wagoned incase they happen to be well, PR. So that makes Luka a pretty risky vote, and I also just don't rlly think Luka is a hit anymore

This is post cap

PS: I'll be back in the final hour, but sadly like 15 minutes late probably because something came up

And for ppl expecting me to preserve posts: I literally won't be here till postcap lifts. So for what would I preserve posts for? Tell me

from what I'm reading so far I'm not entirely sure what you mean by Luka is a driving force but it could just be because I wasn't here in real time
I can somewhat see what you mean by Luka looks too demotivated, but the way they're giving out town reads really reminds me of their scum game. The last game I had with Luka where they were town they were demotivated asf. They had town reads and gave reasoning for them while I don't really see that here. Could be Luka trying to make a good impression tho I've seen a lot

If Bob is mac, they're really underwhelming. I've had one game with Mac and they made themselves obvs town D1 while being one of the driving forces of the game ~~before being replaced halfway through D1~~ and I don't see that here. 

Town
Calla
Jimmy
Cait

Town Lean
Jamie

Scum Lean
Luka
Bob?