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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

I'm confused Doc cause in Portal you were decidedly inno..

And I said "hello my fellow turr...cores"

And you jumped on me. But now it's an obvious joke not worth a vote? 

Talking about Hapi's wagon being bad I feel like this is a fair point tho.

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ok so I had a ton of bookmarked posts on Michi but I already gave my piece of mind on that and I think his defense was decent enough to sway suspicion on him for now at least based on the claims of him playing by his scum meta
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Unvote Michi
just cuz

him unvoting Michi when suspicion was starting to build on him tho hmm
I know people pointed this out but it really bothered me so rementioning it

Jesus christ I can never survive werewolf games, already 6 pages!

Lets be cautious shall we, I don't think it would be good to accidentally kill an innocent townie, like me of course 

I'd also like an explanation why we all want to kill Michi, before of course I jump on the bandwagon...?

what even is this lol
if Michi flips town this looks bad if he flips scum this looks bad
who subbed in for Ogum?

In the meantime, I have listened intently to the Whispers of the Walls, and while the Whispers are hardly definitive, I Believe in Their Validity! The Walls would never steer us wrong!

The Likeliest of Blasphemers (Scummiest of Scumspects)

cozmikrae - Basically hopped onto the first wagon he saw with the flimsiest of causes and has been completely quiet since, aside from a thoroughly unconvincing rebuttal to my pointing out the lack of suspicion towards me.

Ruguo - Seems mighty eager to ascribe scummy intent to what are likely the actions of inexperienced players. Very carefully distancing themself from those plays. Also is defending me despite how I've been coating myself in the slime which desecrates the Walls.

TNG - I'm not sure what's going on with the voting there, but it is suspicious. Especially since I know he's smarter than he might initially appear...

Hapi - Shockingly quiet. Where is our regularly scheduled chaos? Plus, THE PROPHECY!

The Faithful (Towniest of Townies)

Vro, Minish, Red, Nyte, and Kane.

Wall memes aside and LIKING 99% OF THE FUCKING POSTS we got good stuff like this
Cute readslist specially now that we know he's town. Good early catch on Silver though.

Side bar: I'd not call Michi an inexperience player... Wait, you're referring to Ogun. Meh. Ogun can do Ogun things then, and I'll eat my words later when he responds to me.

Wait so you're gonna fault Ruguo for saying inexperienced players are scum yet you're doing exactly the same with cozmikrae? (Sidenote: She) I'm actually with you on Ruguo. They accused Ogun of being potential sum, yet we co-hosted 23 and this is exactly how Ogun acted then (as town) imo, so I'm wondering why Ruguo brought it up at all. But you're also being wildly inconsistent here, Mel.

I will apologize to Ogun if that is the case.

Hmm, to me it felt like Silver's insistence on Ogum was super fake
But here we have players that defended him saying he was like that when he played as Town
I'll keep that in mind but Ogum kinda scumlean to me rn

Then again, we also did have a bad habit of lynching the seer and Moot (and Moot as the Seer) D1 in a lot of older games.

lol that's quite something

The main player I am not at all suspicious of so far is NyghtOwl.  I like their original voting justification so for now I will go off of that in case I am not active before the day ends.  BSR seems a bit too quiet so far but they haven't been online for a while so that is somewhat excusable.  I really don't have any plausible suspicions so far.  Just weak suspicions of Robin, Melehan, and Minish.  I just have a gut feeling with Minish for some reason.

What was his reasoning and vote again? How did these reads age throughout D1?

I've been holding on to something regarding BSR for a while, but would honestly rather have us focus on the wagons before us atm. BSR hasn't contributed enough of anything to warrant a lynch D1, considering he even has yet to post. Let's just say if Michi flips scum, BSR will become the most likely player to be scum in my eyes immediately.

Can you elaborate on this, it seems impossible for you to have something on them if they hadn't posted. And how can you even pair Michi and BSR when that's the case?

This really picked silver's interest, hmm
Silver said he understood what you meant, I wonder if yall bamboozled the mafia team N1 somehow.

Two things that did rub me the wrong way when I was reading through though...I hate, hate, hate wagonimics reasoning (@Doc), because it comes off as someone wanting to sound like they have a reason for voting for a specific person, but don't have a good one and this is the best they can do. I do remember not liking that reasoning from Laurentus either last game and he ended up being town, so it's not high suspicion, just something I don't care for. =|

But the biggest thing that felt off was @Red Mones's defense of cozmik. I know they're friends and he invited her here, but he seems so certain that she shouldn't be suspect because she's new (very odd since a new player was the wolf in our last game that he hosted), and at this point the only people who can be certain of the roles are the wolves. All while she was voting for him, too...one doesn't usually defend someone who is voting to have you killed. But what's really odd is out how he put himself out there to defend her when she was never a serious contender for being killed to begin with. She's never had more than a single vote this round. The whole thing feels very overreactive/unnatural and out of place to me, and for that reason I have to vote: Red Mones at this point.

This deserves more attention.

In response to all the posts about Red's defense of me: For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure it's because I'm new here and he doesn't want to ruin my first game with you guys getting voted off day 1. I can't speak to whether he's coming from some other place of being in the know. But I can confirm even as a newb, having read through a couple games, he's flip floppy as hell with his votes. I've never played Mafia or WW with Red, ftr.

I'm a bit curious, but have you played forum WW/Mafia before
Red seems to believe you haven't but this posts sounds like you do have some experience

I think I now understand why I always seem so suspicious to yall when I play. (Even if I don't seem that suspicious yet for once)  My meta seems to be suspicious overall.  I am usually somewhat quiet whether I am town or scum.  Whether or not there are neutral roles, I am definitely a tightwad when it comes to giving information which is probably partially out of paranoia that I will immediately be targeted by enemies or breaking the rules if I open up.  Plus I tend to get rather defensive (maybe not as much as Aragonn though).

A notable part of my meta that is not too hard to confirm by reading through past games is that I tend to avoid wagons unless (...)

Not 100% sure why I had this post in my bookmark, I think it rubbed me the wrong way.

I stand by what I have said, even if it creates suspicious vibes on myself. Big hoo-has on the first day are nigh useless in themselves, I am looking at the Michi and Hapi bandwagons. One is for not voting early, and the other is chaotic playstyle lmao. I have mostly voted RNG in first day phases, and I would only look back when there's more information in the following days.

Also, I express my discomfort on the use of meta reading to lynch people on the first day phase, because it's pretty much making a mountain of a molehill, and it usually leads nowhere. I am guilty of that sometimes but there it is. Meta is a big part of the game, and I have used it sometimes to support gut feelings, but on the first day though.

I hate literally everything in this post. As someone considered an elite player here you should know better than go for two easy lynches, prompt random lynches, or try to guilt people for using meta when it's literally the strongest tool people have during D1.


A'ight End of the stuff I had Bookmarked for D1
Gonna check the wagonomics of it later

I'm definitely struggling a bit to try to read so many players accurately with no meta info so my plan is to dial back for now and focus on a few specific people I think. My question: who are the people right now that is no real thread consensus on? Those are the people I think I'd like to look at first.

Once I can anchor myself on a few solid reads I think I can contribute a lot more from there.

yeah oops sorry about mehelan their name wasn't cut in the OP

I haven't read everything but I believe Red Mones is Town. In-thread confidence is a big plus to me - it shows that they are comfortable with the environment and have no hesitation about anything with how they push for the game to proceed. It's like I am seeing a mirror of myself of when I'm Town in my homesite.

I'm definitely struggling a bit to try to read so many players accurately with no meta info so my plan is to dial back for now and focus on a few specific people I think. My question: who are the people right now that is no real thread consensus on? Those are the people I think I'd like to look at first.

I have the same issue with meta. It's harder to read players in a new environment and in such a large number. I'd like an answer to that question too, but considering nobody has yet answered my question for when I joined to give me some context for when I read the thread, I have doubts it will be answered anyway :M

I'm definitely struggling a bit to try to read so many players accurately with no meta info so my plan is to dial back for now and focus on a few specific people I think. My question: who are the people right now that is no real thread consensus on? Those are the people I think I'd like to look at first.

I have the same issue with meta. It's harder to read players in a new environment and in such a large number. I'd like an answer to that question too, but considering nobody has yet answered my question for when I joined to give me some context for when I read the thread, I have doubts it will be answered anyway :M

I think that's fair. I think I've decided on a bit of a plan of action now and I'm going to run with it, thank you.

Something I want to point out to people trying to do ISOs... If you're doing the print method then something cool and useful you can do it search for the person's name and not include the "posted by" bit. That way, you not only see their posts but also other people's reactions to them (either directly or in reads) which I think is more useful.

Something I want to point out to people trying to do ISOs... If you're doing the print method then something cool and useful you can do it search for the person's name and not include the "posted by" bit. That way, you not only see their posts but also other people's reactions to them (either directly or in reads) which I think is more useful.

Actually, it also picks up votes so maybe pass on this.

I'm definitely struggling a bit to try to read so many players accurately with no meta info so my plan is to dial back for now and focus on a few specific people I think. My question: who are the people right now that is no real thread consensus on? Those are the people I think I'd like to look at first.

I have the same issue with meta. It's harder to read players in a new environment and in such a large number. I'd like an answer to that question too, but considering nobody has yet answered my question for when I joined to give me some context for when I read the thread, I have doubts it will be answered anyway :M

I shall attempt to answer all of your questions when I am no longer occupied as I currently am. ^ ^

Vro's voting and unvoting still remains questionable to me , after all , if he turns out as a scum , he will have the best knowledge about lynch consequences . Either way , I have strong gut feelings , that Vro will be lynched in all certainty . Ig everyone would be happy to remove one suspect of the list of scum than keep one hoping him to be innocent . Sorry Vro if this hurts u , but u made a bad name for urself. I hope u understand whatever the play is here , u have drawn far too much suspicion

this post raises !!! in my head

“ye bro sorry if you’re good man you brought it on yourself not because our thinking could be wrong”

Aww, Min doesn't like me anymore. That's sad. In my defense though, when have I ever scumhunted? I think I did one misguided attempt at attacking last game and a lot of waffling between the wifom.

Hey TGN, It's good to bring up past game in our defense, but do be careful that defending yourself or omgus voting isn't the only actions you contribute. I think the best way for you to absolve yourself would be to tell us how you're feeling about certain players, especially those of interest today. That currently seems to include You, BSR, Vro, Somewhat Michi, and I guess also me. Hooray, I'm interesting! I think Red could also be considered interesting if you wanna talk about that too.

I'd like to take a closer look at Sapph- something seems a bit off there. Now I could be misremembering, but I've come to expect longer and more of a...frustrated yet cheerful headvoice from him. I'm getting more of a blase feeling, and I don't remember if that's good or bad. So I guess I'll go ISO and see if anything else seems of at some point.

My post was neither defensive or in response to 'suspicion thrown' my way. Ruguo just said I expanded a lot on a little for no good reason, and I legitimately wonder why people feel that way because it came up after D1 last game as well. Expanding a lot on a little is what everyone does on D1, so why is it odd that I do it?

That's fair, I wasn't sussing you, just trying to connect to your shoes. You just have a tendency to pick out somewhat strange things compared to others, Moot. That's not bad.

That's about what I've got, yup.

Minish is a plus here for townie points in how Ruguo treats Minish.

2 points to Minish

The paragraph to TGN could go either way, gut feeling says it could be scum trying to get on a townie’s good side. Scum distance more by critizing themselves than doing this Imo.

1 point?

Saphh - Maybe just putting him on a shelf to mislynch letter? Like doesnt want to make up his mind here but still wanted to say something

0... i need to pay attention to saph and rug later

Wintermoot - hmm i think this is legit town and scum discussion

3 points

As most of you can see, this game compared to my last, I am MUCH more active
last game I didn't talk as much because I had something to fear
IF I WAS A WOLF, WHY WOULD I BE THIS CONFIDENT!?
irl I am shy and don't speak out as much, and my defence is not the best
BUT I WILL NOT GO OUT UNDER FALSE CLAIMS
"I am innocent of everything I am accused of"
If I am to go out, I will go out innocent

town

I feel like this topic is coming up in the thread so I'm going to share my opinion on it: it's a really bad move to no lynch in this game.

That math seems to me like it assumes a successful night kill every night - which is generally a useful assumption, but in this case, the N1 night kill didn't go off, either because it got blocked or they didn't submit a night action (which I find unlikely, since IIRC Lau ended N1 slightly early, which I doubt he'd do if he didn't get a night action).
I've grown to be against no-lynch votes on principle, but I thought I should point out a potential flaw in your reasoning here.

Got a ping on Discord from Red, so I suspect I have votes on me.

If it's the same one I got, that's not WW business, that's Burner Business. WW is important, but nothing is more important than Burning down the Underhusen.
Underhusen delenda est.

so I’m pretty sure he’s aware Lau is the host. Him “derping” could’ve been him doubling down on this joke so I really don’t think we should consider that viable evidence in any way

I'm personally opined that TGN is competent despite his relative newness to both the game and the forums, to the extent that he knows that playing Lost Little Lamb is an effective tool to guilt-trip clear himself. The only weight against that is that he and I were scumbuds in the last game, and for him to roll scum in both games he's played so far seems like it might be a mite unfair. Then again, that's werewolf, baby; sometimes the dice just shake out like that.

Frankly, I still don't trust Vroendal and TGN. Perhaps I'm just tunneling, but I find myself just completely unable to get over why the two of them were so insistent on not just voting for the other to save their own skin. It worked out for the best that we didn't lynch either of them yesterday, but I'm just inescapably fucking hung up on this, and it's not at all helped by the fact that neither of them seems willing to explain what prompted this.
The two points in Vroendal's favor - one of which is a very tiny point, since it was a very big wagon which leaves a lot of room for scum just bussing their buds - is that 1) unlike with TGN, he was willing to vote for Ruguo/Silver, but at the same time Silv was right on the cusp of a majority lynch whereas at no point did either of TGN or Vro's wagons get above 6 votes, making a flip eminently plausible and 2) what are the fucking odds our 3 big wagons in one day would all be scum?
...which then drops me into a WIFOM situation of 'but man, if you could set that up, wouldn't that implicitly clear them for a lot of townies just on a 'what are the oooooodds' basis?' Since it's a WIFOM deal, doesn't seem like a useful line of inquiry to pursue.

@Red Mones

Why is/was Nygth a town read?