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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

I remember when nobody would bite TGN because of this exact reason 

Vote not bite but lol still works.

An updated vote track.  As of Vroendal's count it was like this:

Hapi 2 (Red, Melehan)
Red 2 (Hapi, cozmikrae)
Michi 2 (Gerrick, Vroendal)
Wintermoot 1 (NyghtOwl)
Doc 1 (Ruguo)
Vroendal 1 (Sapphiron)
Sapphiron 1 (TGN)

Ruguo then voted for Michi to apply some pressure.
Not sure if TGN's post after that was voting for Michi since they had their vote on Sapphiron and then said Unvote: Michi.
NyghtOwl then changed their vote to Hapi thinking Wintermoot was just like voting a third party candidate and citing the potential for chaos.
Then TGN changed their vote to a joke vote on Laurentus. (for editing a post)
Then I made my No Lynch vote (pending more information).
Hapi then changed their vote to cozmikrae. (jumping on a joke wagon but not convincing Hapi why)

Hapi 3 (Red, Melehan, NyghtOwl)
Red 1 (cozmikrae)
Michi 3 (Gerrick, Vroendal, Ruguo)
Vroendal 1 (Sapphiron)
Laurentus 1 (TGN)
cozmikrae 1 (Hapi)
No Lynch 1 (Kane)

I will check this game later but now I am going to focus on school stuff.

Wait this vote count is incorrect. @Laurentus can we get a correct vote count?

Kill me if you want...I hope you don't live too regret it.

Uh...

Games where I voted Day 1 for someone other than myself:
WWXIII When Laurentus voted for me.  I was a neutral role.
Portal Attempt 1 When I was a Jailer, and considered a Green/Curiosity Core
Portal Attempt 2 When I was a turret.
WWIX When I was the Protector

Games where I didn't vote D1 or voted for myself to avoid an inactivity lynch:
WWXIX Didn't vote.  Was a neutral role.
WWXVI Voted self to avoid an inactivity lynch since voting was required each phase. Was one of the Vampires.
https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=3513.15 Voted self to avoid an inactivity lynch since voting of some form was required each phase.  I was one of the Jedi Protectors
WWIV Voted for the shrubbery because why not? I was a Villager/Peasant aka Horse Master for that game.

Other games not listed were either ones I didn't participate in (Game of Thrones, Werewolf 40,0000, Those of No Reflection 2, This Little Thing of Ours) or ones I hosted myself (1-3, 5&6, 10/10-2, 12 &13, 15, 17&18, 21).

So no, there's nothing to suggest that it's common except in 2 (technically 3 since 1 was a two attempter) recent games, and in fact it's much more shaky when it comes to how I do D1 as a role and depending on the rule.

I truly greatly appreciate the effort you've put into collecting your information, thank you for that. ^ ^ However, I'm reticent to accept any testimony as relevant to this game if it happened more than a year ago, which I think should be understandable. The strongest arguments should be made with your latest games and I don't put any real stock in games from 2015-2016 particularly since you've played other games and gained new experiences since then.

I do concede that there may be different variables for a given game such as your role, but your most recent games have shown a trend that appears to be Alignment Indicitive that I haven't yet seen in this one, which makes it certainly worth investigating.

If you had to vote right here, who would you vote for and why?

What you also fail to account for is that:
A) While my playstyle has changed and I "gained" new experience (which if by that you mean I've gotten quieter and usually only speak up if the rules are pushy with it or I'm defending myself), I started way back in 2013, so why you're omitting 2015-2016 is beyond me.
B) Outside factors such as MU/Bulba/ZD have influenced how we do games.  From adding a posts-per-day requirement to Portal, to using MU lingo and "reads" lists, to players like Lau throwing in psych tactics because of how differently and sometimes 10x more brutally they play, it's overall affected how the recent games are.   

If anything I'm trying to play a regular vanilla game like we used to when those outside things weren't this big influencer on our games, not the kill-happy gun-at-everyone game that we've been used to for these past few games.

And I stick by that I wouldn't vote anyone.  I'd definitely suggest the seer-role checking out Mele because of her weird KILL-HAPI insistence, but our D1 issue is that we always kill a good role off first, so why risk it for the 24th time?

Spoiler

What you also fail to account for is that:
A) While my playstyle has changed and I "gained" new experience (which if by that you mean I've gotten quieter and usually only speak up if the rules are pushy with it or I'm defending myself), I started way back in 2013, so why you're omitting 2015-2016 is beyond me.
B) Outside factors such as MU/Bulba/ZD have influenced how we do games.  From adding a posts-per-day requirement to Portal, to using MU lingo and "reads" lists, to players like Lau throwing in psych tactics because of how differently and sometimes 10x more brutally they play, it's overall affected how the recent games are.   

If anything I'm trying to play a regular vanilla game like we used to when those outside things weren't this big influencer on our games, not the kill-happy gun-at-everyone game that we've been used to for these past few games.

And I stick by that I wouldn't vote anyone.  I'd definitely suggest the seer-role checking out Mele because of her weird KILL-HAPI insistence, but our D1 issue is that we always kill a good role off first, so why risk it for the 24th time?

A) "Gained new experiences" just means that you've played games since that point in time, while experiencing different facets of gameplay, as no game is the same even with the exact same role. I omitted 2015-2016 as years in which certain of your examples come from. I suppose I should have said I'd like to omit anything from early 2019 and back, to be honest.
B) I'm struggling to understand what exactly you mean by this point in your overall argument, would you be able to clarify? Recent games have changed the way the community at large plays, but what it sounds like you're arguing is that since that is true I should ignore the trend I've seen? I don't make sense of this.

My issue isn't that you're not being lynch-happy, it's that you're not being noticeably reticent to vote now when you have had no qualms in the recent past as non-scum roles. It's not your style so much as your departure from what you've tended to do as town. I also dislike the way in which your post could imply that newer players shouldn't vote or question others if they feel like it.

I'm also incredibly wary of you just suggesting that the Seer should check out a specific person, you trying to lead them away from your scum-buds? :p If we lynch you now as a scum role we would break that trend, wouldn't we? 

I'm sorry for making a longer post y'all, but I think my points warrant extended explanation. I'm taking a chill pill now.

Actually Michi, the fact that you won't say who you would vote at all is really making me more convinced of your guilt. Are you trying to avoid being read or having others read by purposefully not giving information we can use to make reads? I never even told you specifically to vote, but you're this opposed to helping town?

While I was about 60% sure something was fishy when I thought about your first post, I'm now about 90% sure you're scum.

@Wintermoot
@Sapphiron
I apologize for the pings, may we hear anything you'd like to contribute? ^ ^ Doesn't have to be about anything specific.

Unvote

Vote: cozmik


I think it's obvious why but here we go. Jumped on a joke, stayed on the wagon hasn't really given me a defense that gives me reason to believe otherwise.

No, it's not obvious, all points made by you and Mel have been fully rebutted. Mel can get a pass, she's pushing for reactions, you're pushing to get a lynch. Although, I would like an explanation as to why your vote is still on me @cozmikrae. Also, we've repeatedly lynched new players because we thought they were suspicious, and they almost always flipped town from what I can remember, just because it might've worked out with TGN is not really fair.

Actually Michi, the fact that you won't say who you would vote at all is really making me more convinced of your guilt. Are you trying to avoid being read or having others read by purposefully not giving information we can use to make reads? I never even told you specifically to vote, but you're this opposed to helping town?

While I was about 60% sure something was fishy when I thought about your first post, I'm now about 90% sure you're scum.

@Wintermoot
@Sapphiron
I apologize for the pings, may we hear anything you'd like to contribute? ^ ^ Doesn't have to be about anything specific.

I mean, if you're really that convinced, then please continue the train.  It worked well enough in the last game where I was Smeagol, and since I was a turret 2 (technically 3 games since Summersend) games ago in Portal and that logic ended up proving correct in that game, then by all means incoporate it here.

As I said, I just want to play a vanilla game where we're not all at each other's throats D1 like it used to be, but if that makes me scum, then please do keep the train going and lynch me if you're that sure, I absolutely won't try to stop you.

I think this is a classic case of a newbie getting lynched because their every misstep is taken as suspicious.

I would just like to point out that new to the region does not necessarily mean new to WW, but I'm also not actually trying to get cozmik lynched D1 because that would make for a sucky first game in Wintreath.

All bets are off D2 onwards, depending on what info we get.

I will say that, from what little I've seen so far, I'm not inclined to underestimate her. And I'm also side-eyeing the whole "new to Wintreath = new to WW" angle you hve going there.

TNG - I'm not sure what's going on with the voting there, but it is suspicious. Especially since I know he's smarter than he might initially appear...

first off
thank you for calling me smart c:
secondly
when have I showed my "intelligence" on the forum?
(if you can find a link then I'll shut up)

OMG IT SAID YOU EDITIED THE POST!!!!!!!
YOU EDITED THE POST AND THEREFORE BROKE THE RULES OF THE GAME
VOTE LAU
FOR EDITING POST!!!!!!!!!!

lol

The werewolf is not the host.
Come on, you and I both know you're more competent than this. Take this seriously.

For now I will use my No Lynch vote but that will change later on since I am sure some other players will eventually look more suspicious.

I don't love D1 No Lynch votes. Seems a copout to avoid handing out information. I understand it from newer players, but you're far too experienced to be sold on this.

I remember when nobody would bite TGN because of this exact reason 

Do I harangue sufficiently?

As I said, I just want to play a vanilla game where we're not all at each other's throats D1 like it used to be, but if that makes me scum, then please do keep the train going and lynch me if you're that sure, I absolutely won't try to stop you.

I think that ship sailed around when we got into the whole MU thing and some of the slang and culture got imported back in here. Probably right around the time we started saying 'scum' instead of 'wolves'. It just doesn't seem to be the way games go anymore.

In unrelated news: for wagonomics reasons (and, more pragmatically, a rapidly expiring clock, since I believe we have around 18 hours to go in this day), I'm biting the bullet and going to Vote: Hapi. I'm persuaded at this point that it's going to come down to one of the two leading wagons (being her and Michi, if Kane's count is right) and considering that my past experiences with leaving things purely up to RNGesus generally haven't gone well, I'm going to experiment this time.

I think this is a classic case of a newbie getting lynched because their every misstep is taken as suspicious.

I would just like to point out that new to the region does not necessarily mean new to WW, but I'm also not actually trying to get cozmik lynched D1 because that would make for a sucky first game in Wintreath.

All bets are off D2 onwards, depending on what info we get.

I will say that, from what little I've seen so far, I'm not inclined to underestimate her. And I'm also side-eyeing the whole "new to Wintreath = new to WW" angle you hve going there.

Actually that's a fair point, though what I was getting at was that I knew them IRL so I'm aware of what they would've played.

OMG IT SAID YOU EDITIED THE POST!!!!!!!
YOU EDITED THE POST AND THEREFORE BROKE THE RULES OF THE GAME
VOTE LAU
FOR EDITING POST!!!!!!!!!!

lol

The werewolf is not the host.
Come on, you and I both know you're more competent than this. Take this seriously.

Yeah, we already had our Werewolf-as-the-host game.  As crazy as Lau is, I doubt he's going that route for this game since it's supposed to be a vanilla game.

I think that ship sailed around when we got into the whole MU thing and some of the slang and culture got imported back in here. Probably right around the time we started saying 'scum' instead of 'wolves'. It just doesn't seem to be the way games go anymore.

*sigh* sadly that's true.  As much as I appreciate the MU mechanics that got brought into future games, I really do miss the older games where it had a bit more of a peaceful vibe, and where I wasn't usually at the top of people's lists of scum reads (or just straight up lynched) most games since I can never seem to properly defend myself.

Then again, we also did have a bad habit of lynching the seer and Moot (and Moot as the Seer) D1 in a lot of older games, so there's definitely tropes about those games that I'm glad we mostly broke free of.