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Vote: ExLight
I think it's quite strange you don't fit your endgame selfmeta. You are, for the most part, confident, straightforward, and quite sure of yourself. 

I talk about that and brought it up earlier in this post. We should be conversing directly like this much more, anyways

Direct communication is great. It might be difficult since I am at work, but I can at least respond sporadically. My concern is that it's very unclear today, as of Day 4, where you stand. Your most recent post seems to imply suspicion of ExLight, but it's not stated concretely. So first, could you confirm or deny that interpretation? Is ExLight your biggest suspect at present? And regardless of ExLight, what is your impression of me?

That is correct. Your motivation seems to have good intent but I do not have much on you

I literally said it in the post you quoted. I'm not a good player to be around -Lo if there's even the slight hint of suspicion on me since people often get overly paranoid of my slot.

If people trust me then Town is guaranteed to win, but if they don't then I'd rather they still have a 50/50 chance.

Can everyone start voting?

I appreciate your awareness to pushing for victory, but I am gathering the posts rn. Anyways, here’s what I read from you three with Sugar Moon’s function so far:

ExLight —> Serif: The case here seemed to be a bit weirdly formatted, but I can see some points as to why Serif could be mafia. Protecting someone making early and unproven wagons strikes as a red flag for a townie, and asking for who the general townie read is instead of seeing who has what in their books. But it also seemed odd that ExLight used the first point (him pushing for a wagon against someone without much to go off of) that could be seen as a self-mafia against them. There is also the fact that you’ve pushed for quick voting, which could be seen as you trying to oust a townie.
Serif —> JJJ: I… honestly don’t know of when Serif has gotten evidence against JJJ. It’s seen like Serif has been self-defensing against ExLight. And while I can see defending yourself might be important, having an argument as to why the other people could be suspicious is also important.
JJJ —> ExLight: This has been one of the most detailed upon arguments so far, so it might be a bit to break down. It seemed like ExLight had taken offense to something not explicitly pushing for action against him, rather a comment of it. Then there’s the fact that they proposed that there was a 3-way tie when 2 people had been voted out. That means what, 8 players were still in? A bit odd of a time to call so… and also, the tunneling thing with them and Cait? As they said, the evidence for ExLight = Wolf is somewhat self evident. There’s more here that I can list, but I haven’t seen much of a defense.

Side Notes (AKA, List of interesting points from each that aren’t explicitly mafia evidence):
ExLight: What you said about tone and vibes essentially is true, you can’t JUST vibe check someone in Werewolf.
Serif: Even though the supposed loop is Serif —> JJJ, you did make a point of ExLight’s performance post being a bit off. Sure he was showing tiredness earlier in the day, but now he’s performing well.
JJJ: The point that this forms an essentially “Biased Wolf” view is very true, which is why we needed people to be outside of the loop to review and discuss.

I might move my vote to break a tie between you and Serif if it comes down to it though.

How many hours left we have?

3.5 Hours. Deadline is 6 EST, it’s ~2:30 rn.

@Sugar Moon Would be nice to have an interpretation from you to see if there something I missed, need to edit, or have to add evidence onto?

Can you explain to me what was formatted weird? If something was confusing I'm always open to trying to explain a bit better what was going on my mind.

Can everyone start voting?

I appreciate your awareness to pushing for victory, but I am gathering the posts rn. Anyways, here’s what I read from you three with Sugar Moon’s function so far:

ExLight —> Serif: The case here seemed to be a bit weirdly formatted, but I can see some points as to why Serif could be mafia. Protecting someone making early and unproven wagons strikes as a red flag for a townie, and asking for who the general townie read is instead of seeing who has what in their books. But it also seemed odd that ExLight used the first point (him pushing for a wagon against someone without much to go off of) that could be seen as a self-mafia against them. There is also the fact that you’ve pushed for quick voting, which could be seen as you trying to oust a townie.
Serif —> JJJ: I… honestly don’t know of when Serif has gotten evidence against JJJ. It’s seen like Serif has been self-defensing against ExLight. And while I can see defending yourself might be important, having an argument as to why the other people could be suspicious is also important.
JJJ —> ExLight: This has been one of the most detailed upon arguments so far, so it might be a bit to break down. It seemed like ExLight had taken offense to something not explicitly pushing for action against him, rather a comment of it. Then there’s the fact that they proposed that there was a 3-way tie when 2 people had been voted out. That means what, 8 players were still in? A bit odd of a time to call so… and also, the tunneling thing with them and Cait? As they said, the evidence for ExLight = Wolf is somewhat self evident. There’s more here that I can list, but I haven’t seen much of a defense.

Side Notes (AKA, List of interesting points from each that aren’t explicitly mafia evidence):
ExLight: What you said about tone and vibes essentially is true, you can’t JUST vibe check someone in Werewolf.
Serif: Even though the supposed loop is Serif —> JJJ, you did make a point of ExLight’s performance post being a bit off. Sure he was showing tiredness earlier in the day, but now he’s performing well.
JJJ: The point that this forms an essentially “Biased Wolf” view is very true, which is why we needed people to be outside of the loop to review and discuss.

I might move my vote to break a tie between you and Serif if it comes down to it though.

How many hours left we have?

3.5 Hours. Deadline is 6 EST, it’s ~2:30 rn.

@Sugar Moon Would be nice to have an interpretation from you to see if there something I missed, need to edit, or have to add evidence onto?

Can you explain to me what was formatted weird? If something was confusing I'm always open to trying to explain a bit better what was going on my mind.

I guess it was less of a “These words don’t make much sense” type of format and rather more of a “The sequence seemed odd, but still makes sense” type of format. I got your argument against Serif fine.

Though, I will still state that the rush for vote and the willingness to throw yourself in for voting is weird.

Vote: ExLight
I think it's quite strange you don't fit your endgame selfmeta. You are, for the most part, confident, straightforward, and quite sure of yourself.

It fits my meta pretty well? The very fact you're failing to understand the point and seeing it as an opportunity to push my slot is proof of that my reasoning is a bit over the place. (As also backed up by Leesbra)

What exactly is your case on me again? You not understanding how my self meta applies here? Tone?

None of regarding my interactions with other players, nor my current reads on you or JJJ. If you're town you're doing literally nothing but digging your team's own grave since you're never saved over JJJ in -Lo.

Can everyone start voting?

I appreciate your awareness to pushing for victory, but I am gathering the posts rn. Anyways, here’s what I read from you three with Sugar Moon’s function so far:

ExLight —> Serif: The case here seemed to be a bit weirdly formatted, but I can see some points as to why Serif could be mafia. Protecting someone making early and unproven wagons strikes as a red flag for a townie, and asking for who the general townie read is instead of seeing who has what in their books. But it also seemed odd that ExLight used the first point (him pushing for a wagon against someone without much to go off of) that could be seen as a self-mafia against them. There is also the fact that you’ve pushed for quick voting, which could be seen as you trying to oust a townie.
Serif —> JJJ: I… honestly don’t know of when Serif has gotten evidence against JJJ. It’s seen like Serif has been self-defensing against ExLight. And while I can see defending yourself might be important, having an argument as to why the other people could be suspicious is also important.
JJJ —> ExLight: This has been one of the most detailed upon arguments so far, so it might be a bit to break down. It seemed like ExLight had taken offense to something not explicitly pushing for action against him, rather a comment of it. Then there’s the fact that they proposed that there was a 3-way tie when 2 people had been voted out. That means what, 8 players were still in? A bit odd of a time to call so… and also, the tunneling thing with them and Cait? As they said, the evidence for ExLight = Wolf is somewhat self evident. There’s more here that I can list, but I haven’t seen much of a defense.

Side Notes (AKA, List of interesting points from each that aren’t explicitly mafia evidence):
ExLight: What you said about tone and vibes essentially is true, you can’t JUST vibe check someone in Werewolf.
Serif: Even though the supposed loop is Serif —> JJJ, you did make a point of ExLight’s performance post being a bit off. Sure he was showing tiredness earlier in the day, but now he’s performing well.
JJJ: The point that this forms an essentially “Biased Wolf” view is very true, which is why we needed people to be outside of the loop to review and discuss.

I might move my vote to break a tie between you and Serif if it comes down to it though.

How many hours left we have?

3.5 Hours. Deadline is 6 EST, it’s ~2:30 rn.

@Sugar Moon Would be nice to have an interpretation from you to see if there something I missed, need to edit, or have to add evidence onto?

Can you explain to me what was formatted weird? If something was confusing I'm always open to trying to explain a bit better what was going on my mind.

I guess it was less of a “These words don’t make much sense” type of format and rather more of a “The sequence seemed odd, but still makes sense” type of format. I got your argument against Serif fine.

Though, I will still state that the rush for vote and the willingness to throw yourself in for voting is weird.

To be fair I wrote when sleep deprived and english is hard.  :v

And yea, it's weird but it's town altruism. Scum doesn't open the day saying "Lynch me, it's better for town". A reminder that if people decided to not massclaim I would've been forced to be the lynch so we could try bringing both power roles into the next day, which is not something a scum would risk. Even now at hammer range I'm standing my ground.

I know you're a bit paranoid of my slot, but I'll ask you to please trust me here Leesbra. I don't gamethrow as scum and if you want I can link games that prove this. I swear I'm town.

I'm going to be teaching at EOD, and I will have to place my vote soon. I am considering the options in front of me, and I will get one in here before I leave.

@Sugar Moon any input before I go would be invaluable. I understand this game isn't your only priority, so just do your best. I might have 15 minutes, so it's not much.

Can everyone start voting?

Votes aren't locked, so feel free. Serif has been quite vocal about why she doesn't want to case JJJ, why don't you want to case her?

If I'm not hammered I'll move my vote into Serif 15 minutes before EoD. I don't believe my scumread pushing a nonsensical speaks for town, and if the rest of the players abstain from taking a stance on whether they trust me or not I'll consider that a yes due to a lack of hammer.

Can everyone start voting?

Votes aren't locked, so feel free. Serif has been quite vocal about why she doesn't want to case JJJ, why don't you want to case her?

Wdym, I already made my case on her? It might've not been the smoothiest but saying I didn't is just mean welp

What is your current stance on the PoE?

Ugh. I am literally posting my vote right now and immediately folks show up. Sorry everyone, but I have to do it now. I am stepping out the door and won't be back.

I want to propose the following, since we're never going to be stronger than we are today (with two clears and two secret supports vs one wolf):

- Serif pretends that she's left tomorrow with JJJ and one PR. JJJ is therefore definitely a wolf to her, and she goes through the game to make the best wolf case she can
- JJJ does the same for ExLight
- ExLight cases Serif

Leesbra and I will be here to help/feedback/rubber duck. This is less work for each of you than trying to decide between two people. It gives Leesbra and me good content to compare you all. It does hinge on all three of you wanting to do it.

What does rubber duck mean here lol

I am a bit busy today and will be a bit busy tomorrow, so I'm not sure how elaborate my analysis on serif will be but for now I think I can explain a bit more why Serif on the bottom of my lists.

One thing that caught my attention was them defending my slot D1 when I was leading the wagons, which came off as an attempt to distance from my mislynch. They mentioned me being "very productive", but I'm aware that I wasn't and that my content was very underwhelming - specially after rereading it. There were also no comments on the 1x1s such as Cait-Luka and JJJ-Calla, or any other interaction other than a single stance of Cait-me really. In the end they also voted in a somewhat safe wagon, that was at no risk of getting lynched, which is something that would be somewhat expected from scum - as opposed to JJJ placing a key vote on that day's mislynch (Jamie).

On the following days there was barely any contribution from Serif. Most of their messages are promises of catching up and never doing it, and even being "demotivated" by the red check on Numbers.

The few suspicions they seem to cast on players seem to also ignore their previous reads and be almost random. At a few points they asked people to explain to them who was the overall towncore consensus to kinda sheep it, which felt like a lack of interest in scumhunting and a way of understanding the gamestate better from a scum. This resulted in some weird things, like them suddenly moving me to a scumlean with a weak reasoning such as "tone" or "vibes" despite them hard defending me at EoD - even though I had started gaining traction and being much more productive than I was, or a sudden vote on luka without any comments on the posts of the people that mentioned townreading that slot. Those prompted me prodding them asking for their early reads on other days, which honestly got an unsatisfactory reply.

^ me explaining why I scumread serif since it seems like you missed it?

Unfortunately I can't wait any longer. I'm a bit in a rock-hard-place spot given the timing here, but that can't be helped.

Here's where I am at:

If there is one thing ExLight is right about, it's that having extreme wifom present in a final three situation is not good. If ExLight is town and makes it to endgame, that might mean we auto-lose. I think this is further evident in that neither confirmed townie has quite endorsed Ex's strategy or that Ex is trustworthy.

I also think there's a legitimate case to be made that ExLight is just mafia, and that the game will end with his elimination. I made that case already, and parts of it (especially ExLight's EOD1) bug me enough that even in a vacuum that might be my vote. Now it's definitely my vote though, because of the aforementioned wifom, Leesbra's commentary, and the present tally with only two votes (both on Ex).

I hope this ends the game and we can be done with it. If not, the wolf is always serif.

Vote: ExLight

That's hammer.

wild

townlocking me would literally win the game but it is what it is