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@serif

You’re not obligated to be on board with the strategy that Sugar Moon proposed. There are many ways to approach any situation. Still, if not that: then what?

The only process absolutely guaranteed to result in no correct answer is the absence of a process. As we stand, I’d vote you first on that basis. I don’t quite see how you are managing the situation (or know where you stand) even if on your own terms.

This, right here, is my issue with the proposed method. I'll explain in a moment, I'm getting a coffee

Can everyone start voting?

God sorry I'm here now. Let me continue from where I was

I disagree that it comes down to presentation.

I agree that usually the player seen as the one putting more effort usually plays a major role, but it's by resurfacing the posts throughout the game and discussing them that people can reach on a good game-winning conclusion.

I'm more often than not a mess in endgames, and it shows. With pressure my logic starts getting a bit all over the place, I get paranoid, my grammar worsens tenfold, etc - The point is my presentation becomes shit. Yet for some reason my late game town winrate is extremely high, with me almost never being the mislynch (I've been mislynched only twice out of D1).
Unrelated point -- You are doing none of these things right now. In an endgame. Supposedly as town.

I don't know exactly why, but I'd assume it's because of being able to bring resonating points, provide engagement with other players, and show effort - which is what a game, specially on -Lo needs. And this is mostly NAI? (It's usually a bit more towny cuz scum hesitates due to being afraid of accidentally framing themselves)
What you mention here is presentation. 

You have two people you need to look into. Even if you don't know how to ISO (which could be done by checking our forum posts since I doubt any of the players has been engaging with the rest of the forums), skimming the thread for their posts shouldn't be too hard. Earlier you mentioned finding something about my tone off, yet you never tried finding the root of it. Why?
First of all -- for me, it is. I am not good at that as I explained in my post. I am an IRL player first and that makes my backreading very weak. 
Second of all, it will always differ from player to play how strong their backreading is. You are able to find or manipulate posts on any player to come to the conclusion that they are wolf. If you're going into it with the bias that they are wolf, as presented in the method, It will almost certainly lead to nothing a majority of the time and cause the players to go in circles.

This is the sort of behavior that makes your slot look worse than JJJ, not his verbiage and overanalytical posts. How can we compare who has the better points if one of the people refuses to?
That's my exact point here! You can't. And I'm making sure you can't, because this is how we lose games. Avoiding talking to each other directly does nothing here. In my prior posts I mention asking smaller questions and having player's talk about their most distinct reads because those are harder to fake. 

Also JJJ was always stuck with vanilla claim unless he decided to throw game.

If he had claimed Bodyguard we could've lynched him and Leesbra. If he had claimed cop we could've lynched him and Sugar Moon. The only claim that allows scum to gain tempo and potentially last longer is if they claim vanilla.
This doesn't disagree with what I said, which was in fact responding to this exact point. A bad play doesn't ever mean an impossible one. Players are irrational.

I talked about every single thing you said here. We are going in circles because I've decided to be detailed in my reasoning and this is without backreading. A big issue here is we need a neutral observer (the confirmed PRs) to mediate, and they are currently absent, but the bigger issue is the format itself. I've put my comments in red.

I'll still be busy today, but I think I already made contributed as much as I could. I'd prefer Serif toDay due to the almost no progression that slot had in the game, even as we now are down to 2 players. I also had previously mentioned the lesser points that bothered me about JJJ's slot, and is more of a mixed read. If anyone wants to try discussing them with me I'll be open to it, but I'm not sure I'll be able to give a timely reply.

If people are willing to trust me and townlock me I would recommend Serif first. It's a bit of another WIFOM argument in defense of my slot but if I were scum it would be suicidal to go into final 3 against JJJ instead of Serif, and I hope people realize that.

Can everyone start voting?

The amount of confidence ExLight wants to exert on me falls off when they try to talk to anyone else. You seem quite sure on what you want to do, yet you aren't asking if you can start, you want everyone else to start first. 
Also, in the first quote, there's an awkward extension made into townlocking. While I don't like how it's gone for overconfident for wolf as I mentioned earlier to townlocking, it would be quite silly to WIFOM their own play. Not sure how I feel about that.

@serif

You’re not obligated to be on board with the strategy that Sugar Moon proposed. There are many ways to approach any situation. Still, if not that: then what?

The only process absolutely guaranteed to result in no correct answer is the absence of a process. As we stand, I’d vote you first on that basis. I don’t quite see how you are managing the situation (or know where you stand) even if on your own terms.

I talk about that and brought it up earlier in this post. We should be conversing directly like this much more, anyways

"The amount of confidence ExLight wants to exert on me falls off when they try to talk to anyone else. You seem quite sure on what you want to do, yet you aren't asking if you can start, you want everyone else to start first."

I'm... I'm literally the only person voting...

I talk about that and brought it up earlier in this post. We should be conversing directly like this much more, anyways

Direct communication is great. It might be difficult since I am at work, but I can at least respond sporadically. My concern is that it's very unclear today, as of Day 4, where you stand. Your most recent post seems to imply suspicion of ExLight, but it's not stated concretely. So first, could you confirm or deny that interpretation? Is ExLight your biggest suspect at present? And regardless of ExLight, what is your impression of me?

"The amount of confidence ExLight wants to exert on me falls off when they try to talk to anyone else. You seem quite sure on what you want to do, yet you aren't asking if you can start, you want everyone else to start first."

I'm... I'm literally the only person voting...

Your vote is still on yourself. I was under the impression you had declined to continue with the whole self-vote mechanics strategy you opened the day with. Am I mistaken?

Hey, i’m reading the messages fyi. I’m just making a big post for what i’ve gathered rn, so i’ve appeared absent for the last 45 or so minutes.

Hey, i’m reading the messages fyi. I’m just making a big post for what i’ve gathered rn, so i’ve appeared absent for the last 45 or so minutes.

All input is appreciated. You and Sugar Moon are critical for the ongoing dialogue.

Hey, i’m reading the messages fyi. I’m just making a big post for what i’ve gathered rn, so i’ve appeared absent for the last 45 or so minutes.

All input is appreciated. You and Sugar Moon are critical for the ongoing dialogue.

I see that clearly. I’ll try and speed up the message I was writing so we can maybe get a baseline?

I see that clearly. I’ll try and speed up the message I was writing so we can maybe get a baseline?

We have about 4 hours I believe, so there's still a little time for you to sort out your thoughts. If you want to start with a summary and then provide the whole shebang, that could work too. Just do your thing.

"The amount of confidence ExLight wants to exert on me falls off when they try to talk to anyone else. You seem quite sure on what you want to do, yet you aren't asking if you can start, you want everyone else to start first."

I'm... I'm literally the only person voting...

Your vote is still on yourself. I was under the impression you had declined to continue with the whole self-vote mechanics strategy you opened the day with. Am I mistaken?

No, I'll stay on myself. If people decide to townlock me then they can simply not vote me, but if people still have doubts about my slot then me making into -Lo is too dangerous and should be dealt with here

I might move my vote to break a tie between you and Serif if it comes down to it though.

How many hours left we have?

Can everyone start voting?

I appreciate your awareness to pushing for victory, but I am gathering the posts rn. Anyways, here’s what I read from you three with Sugar Moon’s function so far:

ExLight —> Serif: The case here seemed to be a bit weirdly formatted, but I can see some points as to why Serif could be mafia. Protecting someone making early and unproven wagons strikes as a red flag for a townie, and asking for who the general townie read is instead of seeing who has what in their books. But it also seemed odd that ExLight used the first point (him pushing for a wagon against someone without much to go off of) that could be seen as a self-mafia against them. There is also the fact that you’ve pushed for quick voting, which could be seen as you trying to oust a townie.
Serif —> JJJ: I… honestly don’t know of when Serif has gotten evidence against JJJ. It’s seen like Serif has been self-defensing against ExLight. And while I can see defending yourself might be important, having an argument as to why the other people could be suspicious is also important.
JJJ —> ExLight: This has been one of the most detailed upon arguments so far, so it might be a bit to break down. It seemed like ExLight had taken offense to something not explicitly pushing for action against him, rather a comment of it. Then there’s the fact that they proposed that there was a 3-way tie when 2 people had been voted out. That means what, 8 players were still in? A bit odd of a time to call so… and also, the tunneling thing with them and Cait? As they said, the evidence for ExLight = Wolf is somewhat self evident. There’s more here that I can list, but I haven’t seen much of a defense.

Side Notes (AKA, List of interesting points from each that aren’t explicitly mafia evidence):
ExLight: What you said about tone and vibes essentially is true, you can’t JUST vibe check someone in Werewolf.
Serif: Even though the supposed loop is Serif —> JJJ, you did make a point of ExLight’s performance post being a bit off. Sure he was showing tiredness earlier in the day, but now he’s performing well.
JJJ: The point that this forms an essentially “Biased Wolf” view is very true, which is why we needed people to be outside of the loop to review and discuss.

I might move my vote to break a tie between you and Serif if it comes down to it though.

How many hours left we have?

3.5 Hours. Deadline is 6 EST, it’s ~2:30 rn.

@Sugar Moon Would be nice to have an interpretation from you to see if there something I missed, need to edit, or have to add evidence onto?

"The amount of confidence ExLight wants to exert on me falls off when they try to talk to anyone else. You seem quite sure on what you want to do, yet you aren't asking if you can start, you want everyone else to start first."

I'm... I'm literally the only person voting...

That vote isn't real. It comes from an idea you supposedly abandoned, have shown no interest in to the point of trying to get yourself locktowned for the vote, and from the start was not mechanically sound as town.

"The amount of confidence ExLight wants to exert on me falls off when they try to talk to anyone else. You seem quite sure on what you want to do, yet you aren't asking if you can start, you want everyone else to start first."

I'm... I'm literally the only person voting...

Your vote is still on yourself. I was under the impression you had declined to continue with the whole self-vote mechanics strategy you opened the day with. Am I mistaken?

No, I'll stay on myself. If people decide to townlock me then they can simply not vote me, but if people still have doubts about my slot then me making into -Lo is too dangerous and should be dealt with here

It's things like these that is why JJJ could've claimed PR. Your play here could result in the only person you supposedly know as town, you, to die. You do not want that. It is in every citizen's best interest here to survive.
Your vote was placed to prevent a PR exec, correct? Then what's the point of it now?