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I would appreciate if you police yourselves and stop talking if it happens

Hammer is 5

Hello, I am here again, to see what happened today.

I see IceT has revealed their role as the Tracker and has called Numbers out with such, AKA, we seem to have a clear piece of evidence to call them mafia. This makes me feel safer on IceT being town and on Numbers being Mafia, though there might be a counterargument later today to which I feel I should listen to. But if there isn’t, I trust IceT.

Alrighty, I have a little time to go digging. Put on your hard hats, spelunkers.

Spoiler

@Numbers sup, you're just everywhere ain't you lol

@JaggedJimmyJay oh hey now we'll get to play together this time


I thought jamieisbored would be here
Hope the kid is watching at least

Also I suppose I should intro since I think Ex is the only one I know here...

I'm JayDreven (JD), Numbers, 15377 (specifically), NoName, Queenie, HangryHangryHippo, BlackDiagonalDragon, Hail_Hydra (1/2), umm....that might be all the names I've played under. I possibly have more years playing mafia than some of you have life experience. I will questionably be the lowest poster here. MU loves it when I do that in the hydra event too. I generally consider myself mediocre at this game.

Also I'll be basing my day 1 reads based strictly on who does and doesn't bandwagon Cait.

Let’s bandwagon cait

Also I suppose I should intro since I think Ex is the only one I know here...

I'm JayDreven (JD), Numbers, 15377 (specifically), NoName, Queenie, HangryHangryHippo, BlackDiagonalDragon, Hail_Hydra (1/2), umm....that might be all the names I've played under. I possibly have more years playing mafia than some of you have life experience. I will questionably be the lowest poster here. MU loves it when I do that in the hydra event too. I generally consider myself mediocre at this game.

Also I'll be basing my day 1 reads based strictly on who does and doesn't bandwagon Cait.

@Numbers sup, you're just everywhere ain't you lol

Lil Asterisk asked me to come play. I'd point out that we've played here together before but I don't wanna out your experience lies or whatever. >_>

It’s fine we know he’s not experienced
We know it’s his -5th game ever

@Numbers sup, you're just everywhere ain't you lol

Lil Asterisk asked me to come play. I'd point out that we've played here together before but I don't wanna out your experience lies or whatever. >_>

Numbers isn’t mafia with cait by the way

Town
Leesbra
ExLight
Michi
GoldenOne = Bob
Numbers
JJJ
Luka
Mafia

I'm at ummmm
This right now!

Is there a significant meaning to the full order here, or are there any sorts of tiers in your initial reads? e.g., is Michi better described as "third-most town" or "middle of the pack"?

I don't rlly do tiers, but if I had to say, Leesbra is TL, Luka is SL. Golden One & Bob are Null. Michi as such would be, middle of the pack

I'd say I'm only rlly pinged by you & Luka anyway, and positively by Leesbra, and I already mentioned why for those

The way I ordered the rest was... Numbers at the bottom cuz the suggestion of solving only based on who is voting me is rlly bad ngl. Sam & Bob have done nothing so them in the mid, only NAI things. Michi tiny bit above them for not dipping after posting, which the other 2 did do. Ppl are gonna call this a bad read but Idc. ExLight above that for having good vibes

Town
Leesbra
ExLight
Michi
GoldenOne = Bob
Numbers
JJJ
Luka
Mafia

I'm at ummmm
This right now!

We have the exact same reads and im mafia
We should mason this game

I don't mason with people

Why are JJJ and Numbers below the null line for you

Anyway I need to sleep and I'm not in a good mental state right now so I'll go. Also don't wanna burn through my posts

If Leesbra doesn't post more I wanna policy elim them

@Numbers sup, you're just everywhere ain't you lol

Lil Asterisk asked me to come play. I'd point out that we've played here together before but I don't wanna out your experience lies or whatever. >_>

well then don't  <_<

Ex is town too by the way

yessir I am the towniest bitch in this game and I hope I can show it by being a tryhard and hopefully finding scum

Also I suppose I should intro since I think Ex is the only one I know here...

I'm JayDreven (JD), Numbers, 15377 (specifically), NoName, Queenie, HangryHangryHippo, BlackDiagonalDragon, Hail_Hydra (1/2), umm....that might be all the names I've played under. I possibly have more years playing mafia than some of you have life experience. I will questionably be the lowest poster here. MU loves it when I do that in the hydra event too. I generally consider myself mediocre at this game.

Also I'll be basing my day 1 reads based strictly on who does and doesn't bandwagon Cait.

Also, pleased to meet you! Look forward to playing with you!!!! <3

Town
Leesbra
ExLight
Michi
GoldenOne = Bob
Numbers
JJJ
Luka
Mafia

I'm at ummmm
This right now!

Quote 1: Unsure if I should feel honored, or insulted by this attention! If you are implying that I'm already really wolfy, then you should vote me though. And Idk how informative votes on me will rlly be? I tend to attract both town and mafia voting me, usually

Neither? Luka's mini-push had put you as a front and center focal point early in the game so seeing how people react to that is what I'll claim my reads are based on but in reality since I don't know meta behind most of the players here I'll probably just be going off vibes today while I get a sense of everybody.

For example, Luka seemed to be intentionally hard town reading people on the fly for nothing as a manner of reading their reactions. The initial read is irrelevant and the true read lies in how they respond to being town read. For me this is town points to Luka because it provides a better read than gauging people off a hard push/suggested wagon (while they also did that it was more jokey/less follow through) which would be aimed at just stirring turmoil.

Some of the squad here has indicated town reading ExLight. I'd appreciate hearing more about why that is. @Caitlinuwu @Luka I believe each of you apply.

Scum would’ve voted cait to get early town cred from me

I feel like that's massively untrue of any experienced player. You might get lucky on inexperienced scum, but more likely would just end up throwing suspicion at somebody that just thought you were clowning and rolled with it.

Since people ignored it I'll try ask again in a more direct manner.

I thought Bob was a Number's alt, but it seems not. Does anyone remember whose alt it was? Maybe Laurentus'?

He's claimed Mac from MU. I don't know if you have experience there/with him. I've been in a couple hydra games myself (specifically with Mac).

Hmm, I wanna create more talking, so I'll just throw myself out here - What makes me not a town read to you guys?

When I think back on your posts the only thing that really comes to my mind is your response to JJJ and Bob which seemed a bit much to me. I don't think it's anything I'd scum read you for but it does generate enough pause that I wouldn't confidently town read you right now. Granted I have no experience with you so this is a read on a vacuum but that's where it sits currently.

Do you mean by "seemed a bit much to me" as I was overdramatic, overreacting, have no idea what I'm talking about, or am plain wrong?

Overdramatic would probably be closest. Like the "you are not real" stuff was just over the top. Could be performative, could be just how you are, I don't have a basis to answer that yet. 

Hmm, I wanna create more talking, so I'll just throw myself out here - What makes me not a town read to you guys?

When I think back on your posts the only thing that really comes to my mind is your response to JJJ and Bob which seemed a bit much to me. I don't think it's anything I'd scum read you for but it does generate enough pause that I wouldn't confidently town read you right now. Granted I have no experience with you so this is a read on a vacuum but that's where it sits currently.

Do you mean by "seemed a bit much to me" as I was overdramatic, overreacting, have no idea what I'm talking about, or am plain wrong?

Overdramatic would probably be closest. Like the "you are not real" stuff was just over the top. Could be performative, could be just how you are, I don't have a basis to answer that yet. 

I have been described as over the top...Im ngl, but thank u for explaining more.

Some of the squad here has indicated town reading ExLight. I'd appreciate hearing more about why that is. @Caitlinuwu @Luka I believe each of you apply.

Scum would’ve voted cait to get early town cred from me

I feel like that's massively untrue of any experienced player. You might get lucky on inexperienced scum, but more likely would just end up throwing suspicion at somebody that just thought you were clowning and rolled with it.

Im not saying town wouldnt have voted; I think its more likely for a town to not vote than a scum to not vote is what im saying

I don't see a difference. If you readily see that an experienced wolf isn't going to vote in that situation than your assessment still falls on somebody's experience or their willingness to joke around. On the whole I don't think it's a bad way to get people talking but I don't think I'd ascribe serious reads to the results you get.

grumble why did it not break lines

Some of the squad here has indicated town reading ExLight. I'd appreciate hearing more about why that is. @Caitlinuwu @Luka I believe each of you apply.

Scum would’ve voted cait to get early town cred from me

bit of a bold claim considering you have never seen me roll scum

Don't love this reaction to Luka either

It just feels kinda... out of place? For this, the earlier pop-in and the only basis of trusting ExLight being a vibe read I'll try my chance here (or at Numbers, probably)

Vote: ExLight

Some of the squad here has indicated town reading ExLight. I'd appreciate hearing more about why that is. @Caitlinuwu @Luka I believe each of you apply.

Scum would’ve voted cait to get early town cred from me

I feel like that's massively untrue of any experienced player. You might get lucky on inexperienced scum, but more likely would just end up throwing suspicion at somebody that just thought you were clowning and rolled with it.

Im not saying town wouldnt have voted; I think its more likely for a town to not vote than a scum to not vote is what im saying

Can we get a vote count, not sure where everybody is voting

If you go to the top of the page the werewolf information section right above the posts has the vote count, player list and post breakdown for quick access.

I have struggled to develop an impression about ExLight. Their posts are just kind of existent. They don't stand out to me or make me feel anything. It's difficult to convey a read like that without it seeming insulting, so I hope it's not interpreted that way. All contributions are appreciated.

Well that's why I'm sus of ExLight

I'd just expect... more?

Like, Ex is a capable player. There is stuff to reply to. Yet Ex seems to choose to just be there, kinda

By process of elimination I end up with a similar viewpoint, even if not based on any meta.

Fair enough-

Jamie/Serif/The 0-poster arent good D1 elims, its practically a coinflip and also rude to the first 2 since they just replaced in

I obv dont want me

If I dont want you & Callahan then that leaves me with Luka/Bob/Leesbra/Ex/Numbers

I townread Leesbra & Bob, and I already explained why Luka is not a fine vote to me. So yea Ex or Numbers should be the D1 elim imho

That does not ring a bell, which is weird

MacDougall is the full name of that matters for you. Do you feel like you should know them?

That does not ring a bell, which is weird

MacDougall is the full name of that matters for you. Do you feel like you should know them?

nope
(sorry if I'm supposed to know you bob)

Hmm, I wanna create more talking, so I'll just throw myself out here - What makes me not a town read to you guys?

When I think back on your posts the only thing that really comes to my mind is your response to JJJ and Bob which seemed a bit much to me. I don't think it's anything I'd scum read you for but it does generate enough pause that I wouldn't confidently town read you right now. Granted I have no experience with you so this is a read on a vacuum but that's where it sits currently.

Do you mean by "seemed a bit much to me" as I was overdramatic, overreacting, have no idea what I'm talking about, or am plain wrong?

Well, I have contributed enough for now imo

@GloriousBob I do ask of you to pls explain the reads in your readslist, because they aren't very explained. And I also don't see how you got to an SL on me

I'll be back later but I'll spend time with my lovely girlfriend now

Can't wait for the content of Icet and Serif

Also JJJ - there is no ISO here

The reasons are many and few. The reasons fluctuate between valid and invalid. The reason I suspect you I don't remember. Today is a new day. Now today I slightly suspect you for forcing scumreads. This isn't usually a read I'd make but in this spree of posting here you picked Ex Light and Numbers to push and both of them seem fine. Ex Light's reaction had the requisite town entitlement. Ex Light is quite townie. Numbers has also been... observant. Both of them feel like me in that they're still waiting and watching (at this stage, I am mid catch up). Which is fine. It feels like a gamestate in which the mafia might feel the need to start plotting the course for end day, and the moved you are making feel like a wolf doing that to me.

Jamie not here and nobody really speaking up in his defense as a shrugyeet is not a great sign.

Hm

Thought on Numbers?

Hi! Just want to stop in!

I'm Callahan : )

I'll be rereading what I missed, but excited to play with you all! Already at 10 pages so, the game is pretty active, which is good!

Hello there Callahan. Usually I wouldn’t be this active, but with a post minimum and whatever rule Caitlin was talking about, I kinda have to.
Either way welcome on.

Hello there as well, bit confused about what's wrong with the post minimum since all you have to do is post 10 times, which you can just make 10 comments on what's happening, or am I missing something?

Also thank you for welcoming me! ^.^

The minimum is fine, though apparently that wasn’t the ONLY low posting rule… like I said. So… i’m here. Unsure of who to vote for werewolf and clearly outleagued by 98% of the people here.

If the low posters out number the high posters we can always turn the tables on them. But also I'm pretty sure Cait is talking more about your content than your number. You did make that whole "gonna hit the minimum and dip on the rest of day" comment.

Vote: Numbers

I ask ppl that dont want Jamie to pls vote here instead

1. ExLight moderate town
3. Caitlin null lean wolf
4. Leesbra lean wolf
5. Michi > Jamie lean wolf
6. Callahan lean town
7. Luka lean town
8. JJJ lean town
9. GoldenOne ?
10. DarchAngel ?
11. Numbers lean town

not optimal

I looked back over Numbers, and my impression is similar as for ExLight. Their posts exist.

I am a bit unclear on their reads, which at times seem sort of "implied" rather than stated clearly. @Numbers, I'd appreciate if you could clarify where you stand on everyone. A reads list or something similar would be super.

Generally I try not to stand on people and probably tend to favor their left side, likely because I'm a righty myself.

I've stated very few reads so your view isn't surprising. But since you asked, here's some rainbow sherbet:

GloriousBob
Ex
Luka
Callahan
Serif
IceT
JJJ
Jamie
Leesbra
Cait

BobbyMac isn't a hard town read but when you're that glorious you get to be green anyway. While this might not be Mac that I know from hydra games I feel like it's in line for Bob's presence in London adventure so I feel like that is NAI Bob persona vs how Mac just normally plays. I talked about why Luka had town points before and Ex just feels like he does whenever I rope him into games and he's half paying attention which I would attribute to lower pressure town!Ex vs scum!Ex. Serif, T, and Jamie are replacement null for now. Callahan I didn't really have issue with in terms of stances, as said before the over the top bit just gives me pause because I don't have meta experience there. On the other side of that coin is JJJ who I feel is performative but I'm paused from orange sherberting here because I feel like it's NAI performance. Like they might just be a theater kid and love the showman aspect. Leesbra gets to be orange because I reviewed their other game and do not feel they were nearly as timid. Could be dichotomy of alignments but could also just be them attempting to course correct since they were caught wolf day 2. Would rather see more out of the slot than see them go over though. Cait gets to be orange because the "why did you suddenly show up?" question just doesn't sit well with me. The only thing it does for a town!Cait is set up the argument that Ex was creeping in thread just waiting for somebody to mention him but that's like a horrible argument from a town perspective but would be an easy thing for a wolf to pounce on. I don't really expect a champs player to go for that low of fruit but also it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

Hmm, I wanna create more talking, so I'll just throw myself out here - What makes me not a town read to you guys?

When I think back on your posts the only thing that really comes to my mind is your response to JJJ and Bob which seemed a bit much to me. I don't think it's anything I'd scum read you for but it does generate enough pause that I wouldn't confidently town read you right now. Granted I have no experience with you so this is a read on a vacuum but that's where it sits currently.

I would probably be interested in seeing a Jamie x Cait leading wagons since they could give interesting reactions

Numbers comments are very reasonable. NAI but very reasonable so I guess I'm mindmelding a bit with him.

Vote: Caitlinuwu
Correct me if I’m wrong, but earlier you were talking about keeping post count at a level so you could respond if anything wacky happened. But you are now 3 off cap, this struck me as quite odd. Also, you were pointing fingers at my good pal ExLight and I can say he is more at his town meta now than his scum play. The earlier argument also felt a little too defensive and to me feels you are hiding something.

Counterpoint me being a bit quiet is NAI if I'm a bit burned out, maybe even leaning to my scum meta.

I find it a bit weird you think is my town meta when in U-choose I was scum and played similarly low-energy on D1. Did me panicking in D&D mafia really make that much of an impression?

Vote: JamieIsBored

Vote: Numbers

Meh maybe I should try voting here instead. Numbers to me also has been underwhelming, and I already stated my dislike of Numbers' early posting. As a great played called Seththeking/Zorvo once said: Need more

ExLight is perhaps my top town for I do believe they are genuinely trying to solve my alignment and do not have it.

Caitlin ah dear Caitlin. It is a difficult proposition articulating suspicion on you in a way that I am confident won't aggrieve you so I shan't reiterate my prior point. Apologies if I have the wrong of you.

Leesbra, at an earlier point of the game I felt like Leesbra was coming off awkward... "stilted" being the word. But Luka dropped a very flippant townread on them. My thought at the time was, well maybe Luka can be wrong. But as the game has unfolded Caitlin has also come to the defense of Leesbra strongly. I learn over time that this means Leesbra is probably town, particularly when one of the players shielding them is mafia.

Michi > Jamie, during catch up Jamie made a few posts I quite thought were townie. I forget what they said exactly but their reads felt organic.

Callahan I was perhaps wrong on. In that I defended them to Jay. But subsequent to this interaction they have not profiled as the same type of player in further interactions. Their Jay read developed into a quite oddball townread and outside of their flirtation with tunneling KOFM himself their play has been chaotic in a way that doesn't feel townie. Less pursuit of solutions and more pursuit of resolutions if you catch my meaning.

Luka is an enigma. They remind me of one of my versions. It feels like they steamed into the game issuing takes to generate impressions but has had an emotion draining event occur and ergo has been unable to maintain. I leave alone for now. I think lightly townie to blatantly fall off.

JJJ is town but not overwhelmingly so as yet. They seem progressive, which is good. And need continue to be. Heed my words that if at any stage I'm gone and Jay remains alive, his momentum must maintain or improve. Any falling off should be viewed with high scepticism. Any laziness. On merit his play has felt mostly genuine and his solving has been the most coherent and rational to me. And we must reward good behaviour!

Serif's entry was quite nice. I felt some joy. There was no apprehension. A little bit of playfulness. I give them time.

IceT is as described suspicious to me.

Numbers, curious how I'm their top town but I largely believe I'm mind melding with their other solves.

I feel that if Numbers, Jay, ExLight and myself were able to find each other. We may have a good outcome on this day and in this game. It feels like the towncore to me, but I am aware I perhaps haven't earned entry.

Jamie not here and nobody really speaking up in his defense as a shrugyeet is not a great sign.

Hm

Thought on Numbers?

I kinda townread them but the options are slim.

Jamie not here and nobody really speaking up in his defense as a shrugyeet is not a great sign.

Hm

Thought on Numbers?

I kinda townread them but the options are slim.

Inconvenient. Because I do kinda see your paranoia so I'd want to vote Numbers otherwise but if you TR them then yea..

Chortle

IceT is suspicious of me for meta.

How unfortunate.

And ExLight sheeping.

*sigh*

Ah mafia, o great love o mine.

Where to begin...

IceT having me as their bottom read is perhaps reasonable from the vantage point of someone with one game of meta on me and none of it Bob meta. Yet...

Jay who has hundreds of games of meta on Mac is not suspicious of me on meta.

Cait who has a few games of meta on Mac is tentatively townreading me.

Numbers appears to be the only one here with Bob meta and recognises this just Bob.

...

So one must ponder whether IceT is simply being opportunistic in voting for a player they can produce a surface level comprehensible reason for suspecting.

Outside of this I have found them to be the more suspicious of the list since entry. They made an archetypally nervous entry commenting on their IP address. Subsequent solving carried the hallmarks of the late entering mafia slot. A giant hodge podgy catch up post quote wall designed to look like a try hard town. Follow up machine gun townreads of varying quality quoting non AI posts loaded with TMI. Topping it off with a vote on the most Glorious.

Now I'm usually not one for OMGUS. Perish that thought indeed, but I was suspicious of IceT before I even read their suspicion of me so I won't accept such accusations.

As for ExLight well...

I think they have had a side eye on me the whole game. Their gaze upon your Glorious has felt earnest in the sense that they are certainly genuinely trying to figure me out. I think their game has been townie and getting townier.

On a separate subject our other recent entrant to the game has felt ... townie but not overwhelmingly so. Just more level and reserved in their take making. Something about this game gives me the impression the town are all relatively findable by looking for the people who are more pensive seeming. While the wolves are among those actually attempting to create a narrative. To fill the silence generated by a waitful town crew.

legacy jamie is probably town

icet/bob/luka has one scum

keep eyes on numbers

legacy jamie is probably town

icet/bob/luka has one scum

keep eyes on numbers

Wdym w the numbers lol

I looked back over Numbers, and my impression is similar as for ExLight. Their posts exist.

I am a bit unclear on their reads, which at times seem sort of "implied" rather than stated clearly. @Numbers, I'd appreciate if you could clarify where you stand on everyone. A reads list or something similar would be super.

Generally I try not to stand on people and probably tend to favor their left side, likely because I'm a righty myself.

I've stated very few reads so your view isn't surprising. But since you asked, here's some rainbow sherbet:

GloriousBob
Ex
Luka
Callahan
Serif
IceT
JJJ
Jamie
Leesbra
Cait

BobbyMac isn't a hard town read but when you're that glorious you get to be green anyway. While this might not be Mac that I know from hydra games I feel like it's in line for Bob's presence in London adventure so I feel like that is NAI Bob persona vs how Mac just normally plays. I talked about why Luka had town points before and Ex just feels like he does whenever I rope him into games and he's half paying attention which I would attribute to lower pressure town!Ex vs scum!Ex. Serif, T, and Jamie are replacement null for now. Callahan I didn't really have issue with in terms of stances, as said before the over the top bit just gives me pause because I don't have meta experience there. On the other side of that coin is JJJ who I feel is performative but I'm paused from orange sherberting here because I feel like it's NAI performance. Like they might just be a theater kid and love the showman aspect. Leesbra gets to be orange because I reviewed their other game and do not feel they were nearly as timid. Could be dichotomy of alignments but could also just be them attempting to course correct since they were caught wolf day 2. Would rather see more out of the slot than see them go over though. Cait gets to be orange because the "why did you suddenly show up?" question just doesn't sit well with me. The only thing it does for a town!Cait is set up the argument that Ex was creeping in thread just waiting for somebody to mention him but that's like a horrible argument from a town perspective but would be an easy thing for a wolf to pounce on. I don't really expect a champs player to go for that low of fruit but also it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

please vote!

Vote: GloriousBob

if Numbers is coherent with their list they vote Cait and the wagons become threeway 2 votes tie among the people I have null/scum so that really works out for me

DO NOT click this spoiler unless you want to see 40+ quotes.

I am throwing them all together in one place so I can try to use this a replacement for an ISO search. These are all posts by Numbers or about Numbers that will help me to assess relationships. It probably isn't comprehensive, and I doubt I will need all of it. But this will be easier to search than CTRL+Fing each thread page over and over.

Hello, I am here again, to see what happened today.

I see IceT has revealed their role as the Tracker and has called Numbers out with such, AKA, we seem to have a clear piece of evidence to call them mafia. This makes me feel safer on IceT being town and on Numbers being Mafia, though there might be a counterargument later today to which I feel I should listen to. But if there isn’t, I trust IceT.

this is all very redundant
why are you not voting numbers if you trust IceT

Reiterating my request to avoid a hammer until I have gotten through some analysis. Working on it now. Thanks, gang. 

Yea I just want the new player to not just CWAC/fluff
I can Unvote for now to keep it farther from a hammer

Vote: Unvote

I'm not sure when I'll have time to do ISO cuz I have a shitton of exams this week so I might be busy

ExLight
IcetFeelsPain
Caitlin
Leesbra
Luka
Serif
Callahan
JJJ
Numbers

actually up JJJ to yellow with Serif

Leesbra gets to be orange because I reviewed their other game and do not feel they were nearly as timid. Could be dichotomy of alignments but could also just be them attempting to course correct since they were caught wolf day 2. Would rather see more out of the slot than see them go over though. Cait gets to be orange because the "why did you suddenly show up?" question just doesn't sit well with me. The only thing it does for a town!Cait is set up the argument that Ex was creeping in thread just waiting for somebody to mention him but that's like a horrible argument from a town perspective but would be an easy thing for a wolf to pounce on. I don't really expect a champs player to go for that low of fruit but also it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

I pulled this from a larger post so it isn't as massive a quote.

If we assume Icet's claim is true, that means Numbers is mafia and Cait is [quite likely] town. We can use the above paragraph then to get a decent impression of Leesbra. In this commentary, Numbers is describing why they labeled both Cait and Leesbra "orange" on their reads list (which had been the lowest or "most suspicious" color). The bolded portion is purely about Leesbra, I think it looks pretty good for them.

The same post would represent a smear campaign against Cait (again, likely town based on the Icet claim) with material that just looks like totally made up shade. If the same can be said about Numbers' comments on Leesbra, that would be good evidence that Leesbra is the same alignment as Cait. And consider -- Numbers' accusation of Leesbra doesn't actually make any sense. They called Leesbra suspicious for being super different from their last game -- when they were mafia! That is incoherent, and so it appears similarly to be made up smear campaign shading.

Nice look for Leesbra.

Spoiler

I looked back over Numbers, and my impression is similar as for ExLight. Their posts exist.

I am a bit unclear on their reads, which at times seem sort of "implied" rather than stated clearly. @Numbers, I'd appreciate if you could clarify where you stand on everyone. A reads list or something similar would be super.

[READS LIST SNIPPED FOR LENGTH, -JJJ]

~~~
Callahan I didn't really have issue with in terms of stances, as said before the over the top bit just gives me pause because I don't have meta experience there.
~~~

Hmm, I wanna create more talking, so I'll just throw myself out here - What makes me not a town read to you guys?

When I think back on your posts the only thing that really comes to my mind is your response to JJJ and Bob which seemed a bit much to me. I don't think it's anything I'd scum read you for but it does generate enough pause that I wouldn't confidently town read you right now. Granted I have no experience with you so this is a read on a vacuum but that's where it sits currently.

Do you mean by "seemed a bit much to me" as I was overdramatic, overreacting, have no idea what I'm talking about, or am plain wrong?

Overdramatic would probably be closest. Like the "you are not real" stuff was just over the top. Could be performative, could be just how you are, I don't have a basis to answer that yet. 

I have been described as over the top...Im ngl, but thank u for explaining more.

These are the only posts I can find that draw a connection between Numbers and callahan (in backwards order, the second quote pyramid happened first).

The content between them is pretty dry. They had a decent exchange about Numbers' read on callahan being "over the top", but I'm not sure either of them did anything with this. It's just kinda there. Numbers' overall read on callahan seems to be dead null in the end. I don't think callahan can be cleared at least on the basis of interactions with Numbers.

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Some of the squad here has indicated town reading ExLight. I'd appreciate hearing more about why that is. @Caitlinuwu @Luka I believe each of you apply.

Scum would’ve voted cait to get early town cred from me

I feel like that's massively untrue of any experienced player. You might get lucky on inexperienced scum, but more likely would just end up throwing suspicion at somebody that just thought you were clowning and rolled with it.

Im not saying town wouldnt have voted; I think its more likely for a town to not vote than a scum to not vote is what im saying

I don't see a difference. If you readily see that an experienced wolf isn't going to vote in that situation than your assessment still falls on somebody's experience or their willingness to joke around. On the whole I don't think it's a bad way to get people talking but I don't think I'd ascribe serious reads to the results you get.

Also I suppose I should intro since I think Ex is the only one I know here...

I'm JayDreven (JD), Numbers, 15377 (specifically), NoName, Queenie, HangryHangryHippo, BlackDiagonalDragon, Hail_Hydra (1/2), umm....that might be all the names I've played under. I possibly have more years playing mafia than some of you have life experience. I will questionably be the lowest poster here. MU loves it when I do that in the hydra event too. I generally consider myself mediocre at this game.

Also I'll be basing my day 1 reads based strictly on who does and doesn't bandwagon Cait.

Let’s bandwagon cait

Numbers isn’t mafia with cait by the way

@Numbers sup, you're just everywhere ain't you lol

Lil Asterisk asked me to come play. I'd point out that we've played here together before but I don't wanna out your experience lies or whatever. >_>

It’s fine we know he’s not experienced
We know it’s his -5th game ever

I looked back over Numbers, and my impression is similar as for ExLight. Their posts exist.

I am a bit unclear on their reads, which at times seem sort of "implied" rather than stated clearly. @Numbers, I'd appreciate if you could clarify where you stand on everyone. A reads list or something similar would be super.

Generally I try not to stand on people and probably tend to favor their left side, likely because I'm a righty myself.

I've stated very few reads so your view isn't surprising. But since you asked, here's some rainbow sherbet:

GloriousBob
Ex
Luka
Callahan
Serif
IceT
JJJ
Jamie
Leesbra
Cait

BobbyMac isn't a hard town read but when you're that glorious you get to be green anyway. While this might not be Mac that I know from hydra games I feel like it's in line for Bob's presence in London adventure so I feel like that is NAI Bob persona vs how Mac just normally plays. I talked about why Luka had town points before and Ex just feels like he does whenever I rope him into games and he's half paying attention which I would attribute to lower pressure town!Ex vs scum!Ex. Serif, T, and Jamie are replacement null for now. Callahan I didn't really have issue with in terms of stances, as said before the over the top bit just gives me pause because I don't have meta experience there. On the other side of that coin is JJJ who I feel is performative but I'm paused from orange sherberting here because I feel like it's NAI performance. Like they might just be a theater kid and love the showman aspect. Leesbra gets to be orange because I reviewed their other game and do not feel they were nearly as timid. Could be dichotomy of alignments but could also just be them attempting to course correct since they were caught wolf day 2. Would rather see more out of the slot than see them go over though. Cait gets to be orange because the "why did you suddenly show up?" question just doesn't sit well with me. The only thing it does for a town!Cait is set up the argument that Ex was creeping in thread just waiting for somebody to mention him but that's like a horrible argument from a town perspective but would be an easy thing for a wolf to pounce on. I don't really expect a champs player to go for that low of fruit but also it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

These posts contain interactions of Numbers and Luka. There are some little moments here that concern me. I have bolded them in dark black text to help you find them in the spoiler.

There's a disconnect between Numbers' commentary about Luka and their read on Luka. The first things I bolded contain more "severe" language that could be interpreted as antagonistic to Luka. They suggested Luka's read process was "massively untrue" and that it's a "bad" way to get people talking. If there any read at all to come from this kind of interaction, I'd expect it to be suspicion.

But then in the reads list, Numbers calls Luka a top 3 town read. The last thing I bolded is their explanation for that read, and it's pretty much nothing. Numbers went to a lot of effort to describe their reads of some other people at length, but that comment about Luka is one throwaway sentence. It feels lacking, and it doesn't align sensibly with their previous interactions.

Luka is a darkhorse candidate to be teamed with Numbers. Some have implied Luka is town on meta, and that still may be accurate. But if this game goes on longer than it should, consider returning to this point.

While we're still active in the day, I'd appreciate if anyone could share their thoughts on any conclusions I draw. If nothing else, it gives us something to talk about. Sometimes red checks can make towns complacent, and that's a recipe for trouble. Let's try to stay engaged! I understand I have been quiet too, so I will try to practice what I preach even as work keeps me busy.

I have to step away for the moment, but note to self: dig deeper into the Numbers/ExLight interaction. I think solving that dynamic might solve the whole game.

Hello, I am here again, to see what happened today.

I see IceT has revealed their role as the Tracker and has called Numbers out with such, AKA, we seem to have a clear piece of evidence to call them mafia. This makes me feel safer on IceT being town and on Numbers being Mafia, though there might be a counterargument later today to which I feel I should listen to. But if there isn’t, I trust IceT.

this is all very redundant
why are you not voting numbers if you trust IceT

While IceT feels very trustable, and I did say i’d vote Numbers if nothing proves Numbers is town, I feel like voting this early with not that much push is a bit like jumping the gun? But now that I see a further push in, it feels like a better time to vote. 

For what JJJ posted, it does show them being very weird in their words and their stance, describing Luka as untrustworthy then putting Luka in their top town reads? Why would they put Luka in their top towns if they were suspicious??
While IceT was compelling in their story-like explanation of their role and how it found Numbers, JJJ really shows the proof, which makes me feel confident to vote them.

No personal feelings, Numbers.

Vote: Numbers