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I have struggled to develop an impression about ExLight. Their posts are just kind of existent. They don't stand out to me or make me feel anything. It's difficult to convey a read like that without it seeming insulting, so I hope it's not interpreted that way. All contributions are appreciated.

well, talk to me then
ask me my opinion on something so I have a lead on what to work with since nothing is really raising a red flag to me

I can do that.

Earlier you voted for Jamie and then unvoted after they had made a contribution. First question: was the original vote inspired by actual suspicion? Second question: when you liked my expression of a ping on Jamie after that, what did you mean by that?

The vote was originally on Michi, which was mainly RVS.
He (Michi) doesn't really have a good history with being active in games, which I despite fairly a bit. I think outta like 5 games I played with them they had under 20 posts or subbed out in literally every game but one. I saw he had made a few fluff posts, so by voting I personally expected a reaction from him to see if he would had changed his inactive behavior and was willing to engage a bit.

Jamie is a friend of mine, since he's been part of the new gen on bulba. Him subbing in for Michi's slot makes him a person of interest because I know he's usually active and was interested in playing in new communities. I felt like this being his first outside game could generate some interesting response, since I'd expect him to try his hardest which could end up giving alignment tells he usually wouldn't give. So voting him ended up being a mix of following up the Michi vote + me having more meta on him than on most people + wanting to see if it would cause any sort of reactions.

I'm a bit surprised he's been this low activity and somewhat shallow with his posts though.

I have been and will be busy today sorry. This is a different type of game than I’m used to. I’ll spend the night phase finalising thoughts on everyone and bring them to you all on Day 2.

I feel like there's certain urgency in getting content from your slot considering you seem to be slipping into the bottom of people's lists.
Ideally I'd prefer if you skimmed the thread and posted a few of your thoughts before phase ends.

Will you be around for EoD?

I’m unlikely to be, I’ve got about an hour before I’m heading out. 

JAMIE I LOVE YOUR PFP IS THAT P3

I'll actually do something game related at some point

Please let me know if we're required to unvote before changing to a new vote.

You are not the system will note the change without an unvote

I looked back over Numbers, and my impression is similar as for ExLight. Their posts exist.

I am a bit unclear on their reads, which at times seem sort of "implied" rather than stated clearly. @Numbers, I'd appreciate if you could clarify where you stand on everyone. A reads list or something similar would be super.

Generally I try not to stand on people and probably tend to favor their left side, likely because I'm a righty myself. 

I've stated very few reads so your view isn't surprising. But since you asked, here's some rainbow sherbet:

GloriousBob
Ex
Luka
Callahan
Serif
IceT
JJJ
Jamie
Leesbra
Cait

BobbyMac isn't a hard town read but when you're that glorious you get to be green anyway. While this might not be Mac that I know from hydra games I feel like it's in line for Bob's presence in London adventure so I feel like that is NAI Bob persona vs how Mac just normally plays. I talked about why Luka had town points before and Ex just feels like he does whenever I rope him into games and he's half paying attention which I would attribute to lower pressure town!Ex vs scum!Ex. Serif, T, and Jamie are replacement null for now. Callahan I didn't really have issue with in terms of stances, as said before the over the top bit just gives me pause because I don't have meta experience there. On the other side of that coin is JJJ who I feel is performative but I'm paused from orange sherberting here because I feel like it's NAI performance. Like they might just be a theater kid and love the showman aspect. Leesbra gets to be orange because I reviewed their other game and do not feel they were nearly as timid. Could be dichotomy of alignments but could also just be them attempting to course correct since they were caught wolf day 2. Would rather see more out of the slot than see them go over though. Cait gets to be orange because the "why did you suddenly show up?" question just doesn't sit well with me. The only thing it does for a town!Cait is set up the argument that Ex was creeping in thread just waiting for somebody to mention him but that's like a horrible argument from a town perspective but would be an easy thing for a wolf to pounce on. I don't really expect a champs player to go for that low of fruit but also it just sticks out like a sore thumb. 

JAMIE I LOVE YOUR PFP IS THAT P3

Thanks! Yes it is.

Sorry for my extended absence haha. I'm ready to start playing, I think I understand how the forum works now. Probably.

JAMIE I LOVE YOUR PFP IS THAT P3

it is and he's hosting persona 3 mafia on bulbagarden and looking for players so consider hopping there later xoxo

Vote: Caitlinuwu
Correct me if I’m wrong, but earlier you were talking about keeping post count at a level so you could respond if anything wacky happened. But you are now 3 off cap, this struck me as quite odd. Also, you were pointing fingers at my good pal ExLight and I can say he is more at his town meta now than his scum play. The earlier argument also felt a little too defensive and to me feels you are hiding something.

Sorry for my extended absence haha. I'm ready to start playing, I think I understand how the forum works now. Probably.

heya, have you caught up yet? EoD in 3 hours

Sorry for my extended absence haha. I'm ready to start playing, I think I understand how the forum works now. Probably.

heya, have you caught up yet? EoD in 3 hours

There's around ~250 posts right? I should be able to do that. Instead of reading up on the thread I've been trying to figure out how this software works, I have the tech skills of a grandma :P

heya Cait

please don't tunnel on me again cait, I'm town again

this prob isnt w/w

Quoting on this forum is so hard alongside the sounds 

Lol that reminds me of champs spec chat

Ppl had a theory that 'Hey everyone' actually was my towntell, and 'Hey' my scumtell

Because I always start with one of the two, unlike what Luka says...

I only said you don’t start with it in night starts as town. The joke is you die.

this is daystart?

Also I suppose I should intro since I think Ex is the only one I know here...

I'm JayDreven (JD), Numbers, 15377 (specifically), NoName, Queenie, HangryHangryHippo, BlackDiagonalDragon, Hail_Hydra (1/2), umm....that might be all the names I've played under. I possibly have more years playing mafia than some of you have life experience. I will questionably be the lowest poster here. MU loves it when I do that in the hydra event too. I generally consider myself mediocre at this game.

Also I'll be basing my day 1 reads based strictly on who does and doesn't bandwagon Cait.

townie

Critical mission objective: determine how to deactivate PM notifications of every quote and mention. 

I want to know as well 😭

I can't be bothered to quote anything but I think jimmy's starting posts are super townie, somewhat cait as well

By the way, @Caitlinuwu I made a small lie. It isnt in my favorite players to play with, its my favorite people online. Small distinction
You would be Number 8 if we're only counting mafia players.

where am I



fyi don't think Luka / Cait are w/w or Luka / Jimmy (not entirely sure on Luka / Jimmy)

Hi! Just want to stop in!

I'm Callahan : )

I'll be rereading what I missed, but excited to play with you all! Already at 10 pages so, the game is pretty active, which is good!

Hello there Callahan. Usually I wouldn’t be this active, but with a post minimum and whatever rule Caitlin was talking about, I kinda have to.
Either way welcome on.

The rule is cait kills you if you low post

skill issue
WIM IS COMPLETELY AI FOR LUKA BTW
they low post as town and high post as scum

Quote 1: Unsure if I should feel honored, or insulted by this attention! If you are implying that I'm already really wolfy, then you should vote me though. And Idk how informative votes on me will rlly be? I tend to attract both town and mafia voting me, usually

Neither? Luka's mini-push had put you as a front and center focal point early in the game so seeing how people react to that is what I'll claim my reads are based on but in reality since I don't know meta behind most of the players here I'll probably just be going off vibes today while I get a sense of everybody.

For example, Luka seemed to be intentionally hard town reading people on the fly for nothing as a manner of reading their reactions. The initial read is irrelevant and the true read lies in how they respond to being town read. For me this is town points to Luka because it provides a better read than gauging people off a hard push/suggested wagon (while they also did that it was more jokey/less follow through) which would be aimed at just stirring turmoil.

pretty sure that's what scum Luka does I don't recall town luka reading people that way off the top of my head Vote: Luka think im doing it right?

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

that's why I TR Jimmy 


you might be right Jimmy could be Mafia but I'm TRing them for now and I think you're town for making this post lol

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

This is a very uncharitable interpretation of what I had to say.

First of all, reducing a player's effort to explain a thought process clearly to "look at me I'm so townie and progressive" is incredibly unfair. You've taken a post where I had quite a lot to say, and you have twisted it in whatever manner you can to portray it as me saying nothing. Time to color code.

Green: You have referenced a portion of my post where I described why "Leesbra's second game" it is important to me and asked me why I brought up Leesbra's second game. The answer to that question is in the post. Players often fall into particular archetypes when they are brand new to the game, and I described what I have often observed from players who are brand new to the game. That is absolutely relevant to interpreting Leesbra's alignment, and I described precisely why I felt that way.

Suggesting my commentary is "nothing" or "pointless" or "overcompensating" without actually engaging with any of it is disingenuous. I don't like that.

Orange: Absolutely no thanks. I provided the direction earlier in the post (and in the post that preceded it on the same topic): here's why I think there's a valid reason to town read Leesbra. That is a direction. You are quoting a post that expresses that direction. It's right there. And in that third paragraph, I acknowledged that it's not a super confident read, and that I am not certain. That's called being responsible with a take. And yet even still, in the very same third paragraph, I reiterated my viewpoint. I have often seen brand new town players do what Leesbra did.

Red: This extends from the orange bit, really, but it drives home why I don't like this so much. You would have to ignore the words in the post to come to this conclusion about it. Of course I accept that my read can be taken with a grain of salt, and I should. Anyone that doesn't allow for that in a read they've made on someone they've never played with before is being a little ridiculous.

I struggle to believe that you read my post in good faith and came to those conclusions. It looks like you decided what your read on me was and then formulated an argument to justify it.

Vote: callahan

don't know if you guys still suspect each other don't think you are voting each other last time I checked, but I think you 2 are t/t. Luka is the scum here though.

posting this now so y'all know I existed and so this doesn't get too long I read up to page 11

I would probably be interested in seeing a Jamie x Cait leading wagons since they could give interesting reactions 

Numbers comments are very reasonable. NAI but very reasonable so I guess I'm mindmelding a bit with him.

Vote: Caitlinuwu
Correct me if I’m wrong, but earlier you were talking about keeping post count at a level so you could respond if anything wacky happened. But you are now 3 off cap, this struck me as quite odd. Also, you were pointing fingers at my good pal ExLight and I can say he is more at his town meta now than his scum play. The earlier argument also felt a little too defensive and to me feels you are hiding something.

Counterpoint me being a bit quiet is NAI if I'm a bit burned out, maybe even leaning to my scum meta.

I find it a bit weird you think is my town meta when in U-choose I was scum and played similarly low-energy on D1. Did me panicking in D&D mafia really make that much of an impression? 

Vote: JamieIsBored

I have no idea how to view my post count but atm I have Jimmy and Calla as town and Luka as scum

Cait is also townish