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Lil' Wolf I: Party On, Wolves
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  • If someone joins a game specifically stating that they won't have much time to devote to it, then surely the special/nice/good thing to do to them would be to give them a non-power villager role?

    Though this does bring up a thought, since this would be useful to helping solve the game:
    @Michi were the role assignments in this game curated/intentionally chosen, or were they random?

    I know that for the one Werewolf game that I hosted, I curated roles slightly to balance new and experienced players, but Michi's Werewolf games tend to be RNG heavy.
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  • I've been holding off till as close to EOD as I could to make the most of the 4 posts, but it seems that the inception of that rule has basically killed posting...probably for the same reasons I was holding off, people trying to keep them for closer-to-EOD.
    We've had more flips in the last day than we've had all the last game running, so lot to process here.
    Let's lead with a votetracker update though:

    Vote Tracker:
    Lau: LoS
    LoS: Vroendal
    LoS: Gerrick
    Anubhav: Gerrick
    Anubhav: Vroendal
    Anubhav: Sapphiron
    Gerrick: Hydra

    Vote Count:
    Sapphiron - Anubhav (1)
    Hydra - Gerrick (1)

    So a pretty frenzied flurry of voteswitching from Anubhav which...I can't really tell what it was prompted by, since every one of those votes came after Lau and LoS had been modkilled. My best guess is that this was an attempt to get his readlist out without having to spend a post on it, since all 3 are in his scumspect list...except he spent a post on his readlist between his vote on Vro and Sapph.

    As it stands, I remain suspicious of ENE's conduct, even if Vro's post coming in is doing quite a bit to assuage some of those worries.
    Prima facie since Lau's flipped town, his reads have a weight to them they didn't have before  - although what the reason for his certainty that Vro is town is beyond me, since he isn't the Seer. On the other hand, he also clearly scumread LoS when the man was the defender. Back on the first hand though, liking the townlean on me. Essentially what I'm getting at is I think his readlist is basically a wash.
    LoS on the other hand has flipped Defender, which has implications about the other defender that I won't go into because scum can read these posts too (but think about it!). With that in mind, I'm reasonably more comfortable going along with his readlist, especially since I was sussing ENE all of yesterday, and rode that wagon into a...draw.

    I think in the end I'm still going to have to
    Vote: No Lynch
    because I continue to be convinced that a Seer Solve is the most efficient route to ending this game, but no harm in being solve-y while I'm at it.
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  • Well, the thread has been a lot quieter than I expected, probably due mostly to fear of hitting the post limit, but I gotta say that everyone waiting this long to post is letting the humans blend in real well, congratulations, you're alllllll now suspicious. :P

    Why I'm Voting Gerrick Here
    Anyway, I'm really suspicious that Gerrick is a human for several reasons. Firstly, Lau jokingly pointed out "pre-emptive defensiveness" in Gerrick's first post, in which he voted Nyght. Alone this wouldn't be that suspicious but combined with everything else I'll talk about it does raise legitimate concerns to me. It should be noted that in AoT he didn't see the need to defend his D1 vote. He later switched his vote to Legacy and put Nyght in his town-reads, then switched his vote to Anubhav. He later switches TGN from a town-lean to a scum-lean based on meta-reasoning and a "theory" which he has not brought up again and votes him. In Gerrick's last post of D2, he puts Nyght as his fourth town read. Today, he puts Nyght as his second-lowest human read with absolutely no explanation of the change.

    Some things that Legacy said are also really speaking to me:
    Gerrick - I don't like how he made a post defending Anubhav but then had Anubhav as the second-lowest read on his list in that same post and then votes Anubhav in the following post. I feel like if his defence was genuine, Anubhav would surely be higher for him? I think the scumread on me was something he just did without putting much effort in and that he only actually justified it after I questioned him on it (and his apologetic tone makes me think he knows I'm town -> TMI). Last game Gerrick was extremely insightful and I know I personally saw him as a huge threat but I'm not seeing the genuine solving I saw then here.
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    Gerrick - Reads progression yesterday was really weird, especially about me and Anubhav. Playing very differently to last game and his reads seem a lot more opportunistic/ingenuine than then.
    Gerrick made large, clearly explained, and insightful posts in AoT which though it was at times wrong, still felt townie based on tone to me, whereas now, when he's posted that's something in-game-focused, it's been short, with a small amount of explanation if any, and at times even noticeably inconsistent. I'm not feeling the townie tone.

    In Gerrick's latest post, he puts me as his top town read, then completely ignores everything I said and votes Hydra on reasoning he knows has a high probability of being flawed, as the subject of whether alignments are assigned by RNG or not has been discussed multiple times recently. As far as I can remember the topic has always concluded with the host stating that the alignments/roles were assigned based on RNG, with as tau said perhaps some curating. Also, given that tau and Gerrick have both played in Michi's hosted games they should both generally have the same amount of knowledge of how Michi assigns roles.

    My read from his latest post especially is that Gerrick thinks he's getting lynched soon and he's trying to give us as confusing information as possible before his lynch. I just see it as an extreme departure from what he's done as town before to make read-lists with so little supporting reasoning, especially with wildly flip-flopping reads. His vote on Hydra is also very odd, and an inconsistency with his town read of me with my post. He would also be a contender for being more likely to choose Colby as a night kill.

    If I'm wrong, I'll gladly take the fall for the mistake, but I really don't think I'm wrong here. Gerrick, you're going down>:D :P Let's change your views on wolves. ^-^

    Vote - Gerrick

    (Also, I just realized I included an acronym in my previous post that I'm unsure if everyone knows, PR means Power Role, I was referencing the Seer and Defenders.
    TGN's mention of "EIWOP" is likely a mistyping of "EBWOP" which means Edit By Way Of Post)

    Also I've just seen Doc's post. While I might have agreed with him earlier, the Seer isn't going to get a lot of information if everyone is quiet and votes No Lynch, we need to at least apply pressure here, and I'm pretty confident that Gerrick is a human anyway. One less threat to deal with, one less scan for the Seer to make, one less confuser and falsifier in the thread seems like a better option especially now that the town's main driving force in Lau and Legacy are gone. Especially with a Defender now dead as well.
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  • I didn't defend my D1 absence in AoT-wolf, because I was not absent. I defended my absence on D1 this game because it was on a weekend, and I work long hours on the weekend. If you noticed, I defended my absence in AoT-wolf on a different day phase that was also on the weekend. I remember that ExLight was pointing out that it was strange. Flipped town then as I am town now.

    I made longer, more in-depth posts in AoT-wolf because that was a different type of game. This is supposed to be chill, so I'm not gonna spend as long on it. Trying to follow my gut more and read people's behavior more than isolate-reading every single player every single day phase. Simple as that.

    Just because I town-read you, Vro, that doesn't mean I trust who you think is scum since you don't know what alignment anyone else is (unless you're scum, which I don't think you are, or a seer scan), and it's not like you gave a full reads list anyway, so how am I supposed to know who's off limits? Besides, Colberius was being sussed, so he obviously wasn't going to be defended = easy kill. Don't need to know how good Colberius is to make that play. But I will agree that one of the scum most likely has played with him before, statistically speaking.

    My reads are constantly changing because stuff happens, and I'm not gonna fall into the trap of tunneling anyone like we constantly did in AoT-wolf. I have reason to believe that my town-reads will now stay relatively stable (unless someone gives me reason to believe that one of them is wrong), but beyond that, the rest may move around throughout the rest of the game. Basically anyone below town on my list is still up for lynching, but I'm trying to focus it down and came to the conclusion in my list (though as I said, I might've easily switched Hydra with taulover).

    That theory I was waiting to play out was that Doc and cozmik were scumbuds with how often she agreed with what he said multiple times, but I don't believe that to be the case any more.

    I don't know where you're seeing that roles were assigned by RNG before Michi just said it in thread, but I remember Michi saying during the last game on Discord that he definitely puts his finger on the scale (err... dice?) when it comes to role assignments in his werewolf games ("curating" as you said, which means giving certain player(s) certain role(s), i.e. giving one of those players a power role as I stated). Now he may not have done that this game, but that doesn't mean it was a faulty assumption. But I'm not gonna die on that hill if nobody else buys Hydra.

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  • Because I believe Lau was the N1 seer scan, it implies his town core is mechanically cleared - Hydra (Seer) and Vro (ENE being N2 seer scan). I still have to look back to see if LOS cleared anybody else with highest probability of being his defender partner, but for the time being

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  • First off, I have realized that the length of my last post was over-the-top, I'll definitely be limiting myself from repeats of that, sorry y'all.

    Gerrick, I'm trying to stay away from making proper reads lists, but I am backing up my stated opinions a little more than saying that my gut thinks this way or that way about someone. My first post was mainly geared at clearing myself while also offering my perspective, but I did narrow down a list of players using what I thought was decent reasoning to focus on, you didn't counter anything I said while actively ignoring it. Going back to a chiller style doesn't necessarily mean not trying to provide analytical supporting evidence. The wolves used to overwhelmingly win the older games, I don't want a repeat of that here. I would rather you provided good support about a few players you were most interested in instead of making unsupported broad lists. Those tactics are good ways for humans to blend in, while using the kinds of supports you're using.

    Why do you think it's Sapph, and why are you going after Sapph instead of Nyght?
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  • Yeah I was trying to avoid outright claiming that Laurentus was scanned N1 since the Defender can't defend him twice in a row, Sapphiron. We've lost now, so feel free to lynch me if you must.

    And I thought Laurentus was saying that BSR was the seer based on how he was being so chummy with him and how he was saying he was happy that people were town-reading him -- hence why BSR has consistently been in my town-reads.

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  • *the Defender can't defend the seer twice in a row.

    Also, thought Laurentus was trying to bury BSR (who I thought was seer) in his most recent reads list to help draw attention away from him in case the scum were picking up that he (Laurentus) was scanned.



    EDIT:

    That's right, I edited this post. Debated on whether or not this could count against the spirit of the post limit, but fuck it. There's no hard rule against it, so kill me if you must.

    Literally voted for Sapphiron over Nyght because he already had a vote on him, and he was one of the ones near the bottom of my list -- why not go for the easier one when there isn't much of a difference in my mind.

    Honestly, Sapphiron's possibly outing the seer could go either way in my head. If I really were scum and he had to sacrifice the seer getting killed in two nights to kill one scum, then it could be worth it (especially if another scum were scanned this night phase). Unfortunately I'm not scum, so I think we're gonna lose. But I also think that it'd be a really weird play for scum-Sapph to out the seer when he could just easily kill him at night when the Defender very well wouldn't have guessed who the seer is (I was obviously way off base). So I'm actually kinda leaning that Sapphiron is town after this, weirdly.

    Think I'd be cool with lynching Nyght, tau, or BSR.
    « Last Edit: March 15, 2021, 03:10:50 AM by Gerrick »

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  • Sapph, what the shit?
    I literally said
    scum can read these posts too
    If it really is Hydra you have marked him for death now that we've lost a defender.
    I...can't imagine why you'd do that as town, so I have to assume you're scum.

    Vote: Sapphiron

    Vote Tracker:
    Lau: LoS
    LoS: Vroendal
    LoS: Gerrick

    Anubhav: Gerrick
    Anubhav: Vroendal

    Anubhav: Sapphiron
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    Doc: No Lynch

    Vroendal: Gerrick
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    Sapphiron: Gerrick
    Doc: Sapphiron

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    Sapphiron - Anubhav, Gerrick, Doc (3)
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  • And that's supposed to make sense? If I were scum, I can't just kill Hydra at night, instead pronouncing it in day phase? Honestly I don't mind being lynched, so go ahead. 
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  • I still want everyone to say who they would have scanned the previous night and who they'd likely scan this night, but not for Seer cover reasons.
    N1 - Doc
    N2 - Hydra
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  • Might I ask the reasoning behind switching to Taul? I think I may have missed something.
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