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Nuh uh, more trust =/= full trust

Y'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push through

Oof, 6 wolves??

You sound like someone who rolled scum.

Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.

This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.

As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm

I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situations

Por que no los dos?

Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already 

We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.

Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.

And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.

I'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anything

@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.

That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?

confirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed to
lesgo

I would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.

afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevance

Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade

I see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.

I'm not throwing shade. But if that's how you wish to perceive it, you're free to do so.

Vanilla is considered a role dude, though Silv has said we all have abilities

This seems an awful lot like a turret complaining about the number of turrets.

For similar reasons I vote Doc. Mathing up the turrets strategy right off the bat sounds like he’s trying to compute an advantage for himself under the guise of being helpful.

Why wouldn't he just like, do that in scum chat?

I don't know, Doc is pretty consistent with his play-style IMO. He does that every game, regardless of alignment.

I'm with Red Mones. This is just Doc being Doc.

Since you two are so knowledgeable would you mind giving me a short summary of your mafia experience and who've you've played with and whats normal for them and maybe talk about yourselves too

I'm really worried about this button.

Laur gets it

Does someone have a list of all the people who've never played mafia before this? That would be really helpful

I am VERY WORRIED about this button.

Cant tell if sarcasm or serious

If serious, explain?

confirming I got the role PM here cuz I have no idea where I'm supposed to
lesgo

I would've replied to the PM instead of blurting to everyone that I got a role. Some things are better left secret.

afik everyone received role pm, I don't see why me confirming that I have one is of any relevance

Vote: Aragonn
Really don't like your attitude trying to throw shade

I see in the OP where everyone got a PM with abilities, but I don't see anything that says everyone has a role. Sure, you could say that a regular core is a role, but when I'm talking about roles I'm talking about the special roles like seer, defender, and wolf. Absolutely nothing says everyone got one of those. Hence why I said secrecy is prudent.

I'm not throwing shade. But if that's how you wish to perceive it, you're free to do so.

this is just poor semantics at this point
Even if I am vanilla I'd call it role pm because that's how I am used to

What else would it be called besides role pm??

A vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.

Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.

Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?


The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.


It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.


Vote: Push the Button

Bad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone else

Hey, I've already read my PM and the OP and understand it about the best I'm going to right now without actually getting to the mechanics of the game.

We have 72 hours this first day. Pushing the button early allows us more time to figure out just how effects work and discuss them. I don't wanna wait til eod or d2 to do it when we have even less time.

I dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?

Push the button.

Aside from that I'm just gonna Vote: Barnes because I enjoy tit-for-tat.

OMGUS is what we in the business call lame (also before you ask apparently OMGUS is tit for tat here)

Minish's qoute

A vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.

Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.

Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?


The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.


It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.


Vote: Push the Button

Bad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone else

Hey, I've already read my PM and the OP and understand it about the best I'm going to right now without actually getting to the mechanics of the game.

We have 72 hours this first day. Pushing the button early allows us more time to figure out just how effects work and discuss them. I don't wanna wait til eod or d2 to do it when we have even less time.

That's actually a good point.

@Ruguo, I'd like to clarify something: does voting to push the button count as a separate vote to the one for the lynch? Because I wanna start pushing some folks, but I also wanna push the  button.

... And while typing Funnier has since posted. Have you managed to read through the OP and your PM yet?

... And Kane posted just as I was about to post, again. 

Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.

I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.

Of course I read through my PM I just didnt understand it at all (I think I understand it now but it doesnt really matter) I did get around to reading the button effects listed in the OP and they were...weird and I'm not looking forward to trying to juggle that, a game of this magnitude really does not need added complications (no offense Silv, its cool and all but it's a huge headache) I just feel like its a big distraction when talking about each other and reads is a much better way to go. Also why do you ask?

Do you typically make additions to your posts every time someone posts while youre typing? I also dont really like the way you phrased the Aragonn stuff, it feels less like, "Whats the deal man, I dont get why you had this reaction to Ex" and more like 'wow everyone sure this behavior from Aragonn sure is weird lets all think about scum reading it"

I dont know if that gets my point across but it feels less like youre talking to him and more like youre talking to us with the "I'm going to focus my attention on" line. That sort of indirect language doesnt sit right with me, especially since I dont think youre voting him and you generally want to actually be focusing attention on whoever youre voting

By the way Ruguo, when will inactive players be replaced? At the end of D1, N1 or D2?

End of D2. They get a stern warning end of D1.

I'm going to vote ExLight.

Hi person with a Spanish name and a cute dog avatar, the thing is when you vote someone its common courtesy (read:common sense) to give reasons for doing so what are they please thank : )

I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.

I'm not getting defensive. I was simply trying to help people understand the rules. Why everyone is jumping on me for it, I don't know.

I don't really see how this true since from what I understand people were helping you understand the rules not the other way around

or OR we could just not press button and try to solve game with what we have mhm mkay thx

Also the effects are literally listed?

There's 30 people here. If some effect helps out scum, I'm all for it.

Also the effects are listed, but it seems roles also have different effects depending on the area. So that's what I was talking about. It's like our colors working with planes in MtG.

Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.

Any reason why you and Kane called him out specifically for lurking?

I'm going to vote ExLight.

Is this serious or a RVS vote?

I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects

Mathy's a good player, so he's more useful to Town if he doesn't lurk and, if scum, better for Town if he's given no room to hide. He's not incredibly active at the moment, though, so his inactivity is NAI.

Oh, for the uninitiated: these acronyms we're using are explained here. Whenever someone uses something like RVS or NAI, make sure to check this out if you don't know what we're talking about: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations

I fail to see how the first sentence applies to this person especially and not literally every player who lurks

Y'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push through

Oof, 6 wolves??

You sound like someone who rolled scum.

Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.

This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.

As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm

I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situations

Por que no los dos?

Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already 

We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.

Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.

And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.

I'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anything

@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.

That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?

The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.

or OR we could just not press button and try to solve game with what we have mhm mkay thx

Also the effects are literally listed?

There's 30 people here. If some effect helps out scum, I'm all for it.

Also the effects are listed, but it seems roles also have different effects depending on the area. So that's what I was talking about. It's like our colors working with planes in MtG.

Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.

Any reason why you and Kane called him out specifically for lurking?

I'm going to vote ExLight.

Is this serious or a RVS vote?

I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects

Mathy's a good player, so he's more useful to Town if he doesn't lurk and, if scum, better for Town if he's given no room to hide. He's not incredibly active at the moment, though, so his inactivity is NAI.

Oh, for the uninitiated: these acronyms we're using are explained here. Whenever someone uses something like RVS or NAI, make sure to check this out if you don't know what we're talking about: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations

I fail to see how the first sentence applies to this person especially and not literally every player who lurks

It doesn't just apply to him. Sapph, Gerrick and Hydra are just as dangerous when left lurking. I don't want any of those lurking.

Sorry I was late to this, I have no idea what I'm doing so I'll just Push the button I guess.

You could maybe like, ask some ideas for what you're supposed to be doing? Look at what other people are doing? You understand the core concept is to find and lynch the six of us who are scum?

I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.

Isn't attacking Aragonn for being defensive what got you in trouble last game? I know it's the first turn and all, but it looks like he simply wasn't aware that everyone got a PM. It goes without saying that I find this suspicious, as well as ExLight's quick vote for Aragonn and Fiji's vote for ExLight for no stated reason. I'm going to wait another day before voting though...hopefully the players who haven't posted yet will start contributing and that'll give us something more to go on.

Also, I'm kinda meh on pushing the button...not sure I'm ready to add effects on top of everything else so soon in the game. ;-;

I think y'all need a lesson on what attacking is cause pinging someone and asking them to explain their behavior isn't attacking by any stretch of the imagination

But do explain what you mean by "got him in trouble" was he scum? Why do you bring this up? Also do you mean real life day or day phase cbut regardless if you want to vote you vote, votes are what drive the game. Put some pressure on those people you want to post!

Minish's qoute

A vote for yourself counts as a vote for “No Lynch”.

Oh thank god. I need to steal this rule.

Btw, is there an easy way to multi-quote and/or only quote small sections of a post?


The mechanics of this game are interesting and there's a lot going on so probably fairly confusing. Which is going to be hell trying to juggle crazy mechanics and not knowing most of y'all's meta.


It seems there's not currently a status in effect? I'm down for pushing the button and seeing what happens. This mechanic seems similar to a planeswalking mechanic that occured in a MtG game a few of us here played in. And in that game, the effects of the plane had potential for outting scum if played right, so maybe we'll get some info like that from status effects in this game.


Vote: Push the Button

Bad Minish! No push button push button bad I DO NOT NEED MORE COMPLICATIONS I'm still working my way through figuring out my role PM and I still havent finished the OP and I need you to be town so you'd better be town cause I dont want to trust this to anyone else

Hey, I've already read my PM and the OP and understand it about the best I'm going to right now without actually getting to the mechanics of the game.

We have 72 hours this first day. Pushing the button early allows us more time to figure out just how effects work and discuss them. I don't wanna wait til eod or d2 to do it when we have even less time.

That's actually a good point.

@Ruguo, I'd like to clarify something: does voting to push the button count as a separate vote to the one for the lynch? Because I wanna start pushing some folks, but I also wanna push the  button.

... And while typing Funnier has since posted. Have you managed to read through the OP and your PM yet?

... And Kane posted just as I was about to post, again. 

Although that's true, I don't want Mathy lurking.

I'm going to focus my attention on @Aragonn for now, though: why exactly are you this defensive? I know from the last game that it's par for the course for you to get very defensive when falsely accused, but not by complete strangers like Ex.

Of course I read through my PM I just didnt understand it at all (I think I understand it now but it doesnt really matter) I did get around to reading the button effects listed in the OP and they were...weird and I'm not looking forward to trying to juggle that, a game of this magnitude really does not need added complications (no offense Silv, its cool and all but it's a huge headache) I just feel like its a big distraction when talking about each other and reads is a much better way to go. Also why do you ask?

Do you typically make additions to your posts every time someone posts while youre typing? I also dont really like the way you phrased the Aragonn stuff, it feels less like, "Whats the deal man, I dont get why you had this reaction to Ex" and more like 'wow everyone sure this behavior from Aragonn sure is weird lets all think about scum reading it"

I dont know if that gets my point across but it feels less like youre talking to him and more like youre talking to us with the "I'm going to focus my attention on" line. That sort of indirect language doesnt sit right with me, especially since I dont think youre voting him and you generally want to actually be focusing attention on whoever youre voting

If I want to submit my post and someone else has posted while I was busy writing, it forces me to read these posts first, which can sometimes annoy me, as it also comes with new information I need to process and reply to before I can submit my post. It's just a pet peeve.

And I can see how it would look like that. It was really more a warning to Aragonn that I was about to question his moves, though.

Y'all I haven't been able to get through reading my pm or the OP without my eyes glazing over and idk when I'm gonna have the strength to push through

Oof, 6 wolves??

You sound like someone who rolled scum.

Indeed, and since the Wolves are at a numbers disadvantage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have extra abilities to help compensate.

This game ihttps://wintreath.com/forums/Smileys/newdefault/azn.gifs going to be insane. Team work is going to be absolutely vital.

As though in any other situation it would not be vital hm

I hardly would call this any more a numbers disadvantage than there always is, 30 players can cause so much chaos it would be almost miraculous to lynch scum when you have six people who obviously don't want you to do that. Without regard to roles a 6 player team is quite big enough to do whatever the heck they want just from how easy it is subtly poke things in the direction they want them to go, while the rest of us may be unfortunately paranoid and wishy washy which happens in these kinds of situations

Por que no los dos?

Y'know, answering in another language is a thing I like to do when I don't know what to say and need to stall for time. Hope you're not getting nervous as scum already 

We're not used to playing games here where the roles list is not available, and we have many people playing for the first time, so yeah, team work is going to be much more vital than it usually is.

Haha, answering in a different language is a scum slip for you? I will keep that in mind, but I suppose scum!Funnier will not be repeating such an act now that they've let the entire world know what it is.

And fair enough, with so many new players added on top of it, this is likely to produce a very paranoid town.

I'm not seeing what not having the role list available has to do with anything

@funnier6, you can put the entire quote in a spoiler.

That doesnt have anything to do with what I asked?

The fact that we don't have a roles list means we're going to have to discuss the possible roles amongst each other a lot and claim at optimal times, something we don't typically do around here. I hosted an exact replica of our MU game in December, and no one coordinated to figure out who was holding which ability.

WHY on earth would you host an exact replica with that setup from hell aaaaaaaaaaaaa

But regardless, I dont believe that night action coordination is a priority anyway, if circumstances drive certain people to claim and they want to coordinate with each other mkay, but trying to coordinate night actions in a game as huge and chaotic as this sounds like a huge mess regardless and I would rather each player do the best they can. We'd literally have to lose 18 town players to lose this game so I'm not really interested in it. Mass role claiming and and role coordination is something I prefer to be left to last ditch circumstances, which should be quite unnecessary in this game. Like, if you dont have super relevant information to claim or if youre not about to die I dont know why youre claiming. You know as well as I do that claims in general were a source of confusion and insanity in our game so I dont really see where youre coming from with this

At least the roles flip after death here right?