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Stacky
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  • Guys, Reon's right. This isn't a Youtube comments section. At least take it up via PM, or IRC, or...somewhere else.



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    Govindia
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  • And look I get ignored. Listen boys. You have your little petty fight but know that there are actually consequences for your actions so I suggest you stop. Asmoday out.

    Sorry I posted before I saw what you sad.

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    Omega
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  • Sorry, what?
    * Alterra is just sitting here pondering on the ending of Frankenstein.
    Those two are quite the characters
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    <+IH> There needs to be some constant to life that we can hold onto, something extremely difficult to find if we are constantly on the move.
    <@Vidarr> I hold onto the constant of change
    <+IH> How delightfully paradoxical.

    <@IH> Omega also suits you, it’s the symbol for electrical resistance.
    <@Delta> Are you saying I'm slow? :P
    <@IH> You were a component (see what I did there?) of the resistance in Wintreath, were you not?

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  • Also, as a PSA, /me works on the forums, and in the shoutbox :P
    Vidarr Braighart Kasten
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    <+IH> There needs to be some constant to life that we can hold onto, something extremely difficult to find if we are constantly on the move.
    <@Vidarr> I hold onto the constant of change
    <+IH> How delightfully paradoxical.

    <@IH> Omega also suits you, it’s the symbol for electrical resistance.
    <@Delta> Are you saying I'm slow? :P
    <@IH> You were a component (see what I did there?) of the resistance in Wintreath, were you not?

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    Dawsinian
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  • GUESS WHAT!?

    You're both being issued a 24-hour *****WARNING***** for flaming!

    -Your friendly neighborhood administrator.-
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  • Shi just got real.
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    Weissreich
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  • Something that might possibly be useful to someone talking about free speech on the internet.

    Quote from: Forum User Agreements
    You agree that “[DOMAIN NAME]” have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should we see fit.

    Whilst I note the lack of such a user-agreement here, it's generally accepted that if you're posting on a forum owned by an individual who pays for its upkeep and manages it, you can and will be moderated if you're talking in an unacceptable manner or causing unnecessary problems.

    Perhaps a good idea is to simply relax and enjoy the community, take less issue with what people say because everyone's going to be dramatic online. You're never going to enjoy anything if you spend all your time pent up and aggressive because of perceived - or indeed actual - slights.

    Mootles has proven to be a responsible and considerate administrator and I highly doubt he or anyone he trusts would act out of turn in taking action to keep discussions pleasant and productive. Let's just let the issue lie and be friends :)
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    « Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 10:53:27 PM by Weissreich »
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  • True that.
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    Govindia
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  • And people miss the point -_-

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    Weissreich
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  • And people miss the point -_-

    Allow me to analyse your originally deleted post.

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    What you are doing is disrespectful and insulting and if you claim to be mature and not a child you WILL apologise immediately in a sincere manner and promise to treat me and everyone else with respect at all times as you are obligated to do so under the laws you serve on and that includes respecting my right to speak my mind.

    Okay, now let's look at what you claim to have said.

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    I am not insulting others.   You are attacking and violating my right to free speech.  I wasn't reprimanding anyone.   You need to read better.  I was asking him to be respectful.  If Reon and Wintermoot can speak their mind about it, so can I and I will.  You have no right to censor my posts and you are violating my right to free speech.

    You will never censor my posts because your job is to act professional and respectful to everyone at all times regardless if you do not like them.  That is your job.

    Now, the analysis!

    "I was asking him to be respectful" vs "What you are doing is disrespectful and insulting"

    As the first point you make, the contradiction here is massive. Your original post does not ask, it demands. When you demand something of someone, such as the follow-up "you WILL apologise", you tend to be more polite. You also don't make demands, especially when you're in no position to make them.

    My real issue with this is that a) you attempt to misconstrue what you originally said, and b) what you originally said is petulant, rude and rather blunt. Whilst I'm sure you're expressing your feelings, the best way to deal with said issue is to get mouthy over PM. However, you chose to do it in public, where you're even MORE liable for your behaviour.

    You then get surprised when your post is deleted and moderated. I have no issue with you as an individual and I haven't seen anything else to otherwise sway me one way or the other in this disagreement, but all I'm seeing is you posting something that's not really acceptable in OPEN DISCUSSION.

    Onwards!

    "... and promise to treat me and everyone else with respect at all times..."

    The real issue is with this. Not only are you making demands, you are making demands and expecting compliance from another member on the forum who, might I add, is equally entitled to the right of free speech you so hold dear. Shaking a stick at a guy with a bigger stick ends badly regardless of where you live, and I think any court of law will find against you in this case simply because you provoked the response you got.

    This may well seem strange; allow me to explain in a little more detail.

    By demanding in such a tone a response, you come across as incredibly insulting, rude, small-minded and petty. Whilst I'm sure you're none of those things, the attitude you portray across the internet is the attitude ye shall be judged by. The attitude I see in your deleted post would have merited an instant deletion by myself if I saw it on the forums I moderate. Understand that for every action, there will be an equal re-action. Out of context? Nope: if you act like an ass, expect treatment like one.

    "... as you are obligated to under law..."

    Whenever I see this, I instantly write off whoever said it as a dumb-ass who relies far too much on lawyers. Sort your own shit out, legally of course, and stop wasting the time of the judicial branch. They really couldn't care less either.

    Now, "You will never censor my posts because your job is to act professional and respectful to everyone at all times regardless if you do not like them.  That is your job."

    Frankly this is the nail in the coffin and why you're surprised you garnered the treatment you did is utterly beyond me, having read this quote.

    Are you seriously trying to tell the people who run this board, with it and its community's best interests at heart, how to do their job, simply because they've displeased you?

    I need say no more, I feel.

    TL;DR People who preach the first often forget it applies to everyone else as well.
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    « Last Edit: May 08, 2014, 05:54:29 PM by Weissreich »
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  • TL;DR People who preach the first often forget it applies to everyone else as well.

    AMEN!



    NOW I happen to have something on my mind if I may say (after all that is the topic):



    The IRC.


    Some interesting shit


    goes down


    on the IRC.

    if ya catch ma drift  ;D
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    Reon
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  • And weissreich grows stronger in my heart and mind. Praise be into him.
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    Face the facts of being what you are, for that is what changes what you are.
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    Govindia
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    V. Declaration of Rights
    1. Citizens shall have the right to speak and to protest freely.

    Bold and font size emphasis mine.  Alterra and people in the government would be well to memorise this.

    What Alterra did today on IRC is harassment and violation of this right.  I protested Wintermoot's passive-aggressive behaviour in rudely ignoring and dismissing my questions and concerns, in how he has not my questions I kindly asked of him last night, and refused to let me speak to him about it. 

    Because I was protesting how Wintermoot treated me, Alterra once again, abused his op authority and banned me "supposedly" for 24 hours from IRC.  I say supposedly because he's banned me before for a length of time and didn't honour the time he supposedly put on there, which shows how he does it out of personal spite towards me, again a sign of moderator and op abuse.

    I ask direct questions to people and I speak to people directly.  People should know that now.  If I asked direct questions to Wintermoot, I expect Wintermoot to respond in a reasonable manner, which he failed to do.  It is my right, under the clause above, to protest his lack of concern and his refusal to address my questions.  Alterra had no right to threaten me with kickbanning, and banning me for questioning a government official is an abuse of power.  Therefore, because Wintermoot refused to answer any of my questions, Alterra abused his op authority (once again, out of spite) and banned me.  This is both disrespectful and wrong.

    Just because I ask questions or have concerns that Wintermoot does not like to hear does not mean he should be rude, and disrespectful.  He, or any government official, should answer my questions that I ask of him in a direct and reasonable manner, and they do not have any logical reason to get upset about it because I am doing my job as a concerned citizen questioning the leadership, as is my right to do so. 

    I request that Wintermoot please respond to my concerns that I had sent privately via IRC query or Skype, and I request the ban be lifted as soon as possible.  Alterra once again overreacts with emotion instead of logic and abuses his authority, as usual >_>
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  • And of course Alterra dislikes my post because he never admits to any wrongdoing.  He thinks he's perfect and can do no wrong.

    I would also like to point out that I was also banned from the WHR channel, which had no relevance to what happened in the #wintreath channel, again another example of abuse >_>
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  • Get over yourself Gov, this has been blown way out of proportion. Take your punishment and cease your complaints.
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