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@☆ Princess Abigail ☆

what's your take on every slot? please

Uh I don't have one on every slot

But you grace rondo and ori are all obv town

dissapointment

I feel like rondo is pulling doodoo and can't explain where his worlview comes from

only reason I wouldn't vote there today is because he claimed pr, and that's w/e

but seems like a good target to investigate

Rondo is being Rondo

well I don't know what a rondo is 

Currently Ignoring my own solves to work with the team

So what I am mostly seeing are the worlds of:

Winter + Belle
Rem + X?
Neon + Loona

Or some sort of combination of low poster?

Can you reply to this with your list of who is your die hard town and who you would want to chop today and their counter wagon of who to chop tomorrow.

If you dont reply to this and come in tomorrow saying "I wish we had chopped X instead" town should lynch you because this is your chance to contribute and control wolves options.

Form an opinion from the content on D1 and the lynch and the resulting spew.

Otherwise I might just push my own solve and from peoples reactions Ex Lite and Loona is not on anyones radar

bumping to next page

Still waiting on anyone to be towny

Currently Ignoring my own solves to work with the team

So what I am mostly seeing are the worlds of:

Winter + Belle
Rem + X?
Neon + Loona

Or some sort of combination of low poster?

Can you reply to this with your list of who is your die hard town and who you would want to chop today and their counter wagon of who to chop tomorrow.

If you dont reply to this and come in tomorrow saying "I wish we had chopped X instead" town should lynch you because this is your chance to contribute and control wolves options.

Form an opinion from the content on D1 and the lynch and the resulting spew.

Otherwise I might just push my own solve and from peoples reactions Ex Lite and Loona is not on anyones radar

Wait who is neon? 

Die hard towns for me currently are rem and Ori, no one else exactly fits that category. Light is pretty close to that as well.

Can't find an ISO feature anywhere (the "posts" thing at the top of the page is worthless) and not willing to ctrl+F through 30 pages for nine different players (if you could set it to 50 posts per page, though...), so shucks. I guess I'll just look at some posts around EoD for now

So it's basically like Smogon's crappy "ISO" feature that isn't actually an ISO feature (though at least it doesn't seem to cut off posts, so it's only the second worst in that regard)

So I'll start looking in reverse order of postcount, starting with Vote: Master Radishes. Yeah, there's absolutely nothing impressive here, just slank cover, and given what happened D1, I wouldn't be surprised if wolves were demoralized here. I know MR isn't the most vocal player, but this is lame even for him.

here are my thoughts as i went back through the thread and typed in a google doc. i didn't match up quotes with everything but if you have a specific question i'll go grab the quote.


1. Princess Abigail
nothing really stands out to me as a big contribution here dunno if i was just reading too fast or what, activity seemed to dip after the beginning of the thread


2. Wintermoot
decent contributions although mostly off topic


3. Sugar Moon
sugar seems like their home culture for mafia is def different than oricorio and i think we have similar backgrounds in mafia.
light townread for good contributions at start of page 8 although i disagree with their townread on Wintermoot for being comfortable, saying that if they were inexperienced wolf in this setup they’d be sweating buckets. Wintermoot seems plenty experienced and I didn’t see them alluding anywhere to where they might not be experienced as wolf, they said they had been in a lot of games in the old days. I could see w/w sugar and winter but i still lightly townread sugar. it could be a genuine feeling re: the sweating buckets thing esp considering the mafia culture they seem to have.


4. Projekt Red

planning a jokey start of thread fakeclaim isnt AI where im from but red is just making no sense to me in a lot of places. dont get why they scumread ori so hard, doesnt seem like theyre great at explaining reasoning (maybe im just missing stuff idk), seems scattered motivations, dont like how they respond to pressure. highest suspicion for right now definitely.


5. Rem

not loving the hard claiming vanilla town this early in the game, i dont really understand it as a play, if you were vanilla why not keep it vague and tempt their seer into investigating you based on strong gameplay (which you do seem to be good at, or at the least, you seem motivated). idk if this is some sort of wifom? to get them to check you to see if you’re bluffing? would claiming vanilla be more or less likely to get wolves to investigate you out of people who havent claimed. then again are we reading this as a weird play but from town or an obfuscating play from wolf. rem does go on to reference all of this as perhaps an “ultimate wifom as a wolf.” forgive me for not making a huge multiquote.

Didnt like the interactions between rem and sugar on page 8, seems like some intentional misunderstanding on rem’s part and portraying stuff as contradictions when really i didnt see them as contradicting anything. Willing to believe that it was real though.

also willing to believe that annoyance at me for saying im sick was genuine as cynical as it does come off. easy to pounce on though. and if you don’t know whether or not its the truth then it shouldnt be alignment indicative since it could go either way IMO. i dont come from a forum where ATE is like talked about as a thing, ppl are much more understanding when people say that personal shit has come up in the way of participating in-thread. sure maybe its more casual or whatever but thats just my home culture.

i dont agree with their logic on scumreading sugar i think theyre a bit tunnelled. sugar wasnt reading abi towny because effort per se, more like, agreeing with them more, is how i understood it, and i took “not townreading effort” to mean “im not gonna take the highest-posting player as default town because anyone can do that” i didnt see sugar reading abi as town bc effort, more like bc opinions. it just seems intentionally misconstrued. regardless im willing to see this as tunnel i dont have a strong scumlean on rem rn.


6. Oricorio
seems earnest but might just play like that regardless of alignment. regardless i townread for now, not interested in flipping at the moment, good lines of questioning


7. RondoDimBuckle
n/a

8. Grace
n/a


9. ExLight
not loving the coming in, not really saying much, then voting ori without any real reasoning other than saying ori is a strong player. although ori said later that move is quite bold for a wolf so thats something to think about. but something about calling it rva undermines that/gives an excuse for the “boldness” while going for a strong player. but the reasoning makes more sense as that conversation goes on.


10. Bellepi
after the game is over im just gonna say yeah im actually sick. (or ill die and flip v and yall will see it just the same.) meds are starting to kick in though.


11. Master Radishes
is just acting like a meme for now


12. Loona
likes rem yet disagrees with them openly about the ATE stuff about me - i dont want to get like, pocketed, but i dont have terrible vibes from their contributions thus far





So right now Vote: Projekt Red

This is the one Bellepi post of substance. Notably, their read on Moon is the second longest, if that means anything. I mean, it's hedgy enough that it could be a partner interaction but it's pretty hard to tell since this is their only real progression.

These quote chains are insanely long
Can we like not

Grace's ISO is pretty empty, this was basically the pinnacle of their contributions D1. Their D2 isn't anything too impressive either, only contributions are a vote on Rem, townread on Abby, and saying a Winter vote is "fine". Pointing out the thread's inactivity when they're inactive themselves is a little odd though, not sure a wolf would want to call attention to that.

I have read through all 200+ posts (in some cases again) and found a Werewolf Terminology list, so let's do this!

np

I see that's fine, I am on the other side a mafia nerd, I'm retiring to hosting mostly tho probably, but I just can't say no to Abigail

how would you resume your process as a town, even if casual, what do you normally do?

I hosted my first game last year. The whole game only had 90 posts, but I enjoyed the experience...more than playing, to be honest. But this seemed to be an important game for Abigail and Caitlin, was designed to be relatively casual, and I feel a bit bad for not being able to persuade more Wintreath people to join...so I figured I'd give it another try.

Back in the day most of the people who played knew each other (as most of you obviously do), so I would look for things that seemed out of character for them, or for people who tried to drive the game to a particular place for no apparent reason. Then as the game went on and there was more data about who'd been killed as town and wolves, I'd go back and see how that vibed with previous votes and noteworth events. I'd take a lot of notes too, especially for the crazy 500 posts a day games, but I hope it doesn't come to that here.

Upgrade nice but I'm never gonna blame you or the site or trash it when I know what you've done here

That's why I am for Werewolf UI updates if and when you can do them and don't worry too much about how long it takes

I think that's the kindest thing anybody's ever told me as Wintreath leader/admin/mod. <3

The upgrade should at least be more mobile-friendly and internalize a lot of the features we're relying on hacky mods for, such as likes, notifications, and multi-quote. it's just that...well, SMF's default skin sucks, so I have to update that, then incorporate years of customizations and expansions. Werewolf shouldn't be too bad to do...I made it later on when I was a better coder, and most of the code is actually independent of the forum code. It's just more skin-work to get the options on the topic page (vote buttons, etc).

Sorry, I don't often get a chance to talk about my work.

If I didn't know better I'd think you were a host of MoD based on your ISO this game. What are your actual thoughts on the game?

MoD? That one isn't in my dictionary. I assume you mean my posting about the technical aspects of things though...it's what I best know, I suppose, and given the chance I'd start promoting Wintreath in general. We can always use new members and Citizens in our community.

I feel like most of your posts are accusatory in some way, complete with judgements about how most players entered the game. It does come off as forceful and a bit contrived...I'm not sure that's enough for me to say you're suspicious though (although perhaps you would in my place ). Your point about pushing a game forward by applying pressure is well-taken, and feels like something Laurentus might have told me once when we were chatting about MU games. Or you could be a wolf that hopes to come off as a townlead (did I use that jargon right?). Either way, you've made yourself a center of attention for the entire round, and I'm not sure it's been to your benefit regardless of your role.

I don't understand the vote on Sugar Moon, although I'm probably just not comprehending...this game is heavy on jargon at times, and even with a dictionary it's a bit hard for me to process. @Rem mentioned his posts being contradictory, but I didn't understand how so. To some extent I wonder if he came under suspicion because he was the first to post his exact thoughts on all the active players. I haven't been able to focus on any theme behind his posts, so I don't have an opinion either way. That being said, I didn't agree at all when he said that starting out without meaningful interaction is suspicious. I can totally understand people wanting to start getting their posts in if they're busy and haven't had a chance to go over everything yet, especially when there's very little in the way of concrete facts. Not enough to cast any sort of judgement, just a disagreement.

That being said, if that behaviour continued for multiple rounds I might be more open to that argument.

It's completely irrelevant to the game, but I'm left wondering if Projekt Red is a furry (it's the "wuf wuf awooo", lol). That's not meant in a bad way, as Wintreath has an active furry community. More relevantly, I don't agree with the reasoning behind Oricorio's vote on them. Unless I missed something, Sugar Moon didn't wolfread them and went so far as to say not w/w. I don't get the idea of TWTBAW, but I gather getthing that vibe doesn't mean someone's a wolf. Anyone feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood any part of this.

Rem has come across to me as helpful, though I might be putting too much emotion into our non-game interactions on here last night. I didn't like the suspicion on Bellepi for saying that their claiming to be sick is a cause for suspicion...that seemed super-cynical, to the point of being jarring enough to write about it here. I don't know how the game is played on other websites, but if someone claims to be sick I'll take them at their word...if that makes me naive, well, I've been accused of such for far more serious things lol. Still, Projekt Red claims to have experience reading Rem in their vote, and that's probably more relevant than my enjoying some non-game centered conversation with him last night.

i caught some sort of illness and have been sleeping all the time/feeling awful so i havent really been focusing on the game as of late, i should get over it by next Day Phase cause i saw a doctor and got meds today

but ill try my best to put together thoughts before EoD today

Damn, I hope you feel better soon.

I think the most powerful phase is day 1, since it has a tendency to be the most active and like you mentioned stuff is just thrown against the wall.

Assume AI stuff was answered but if not it just means alignment indictive.

What happens most of the time is wolves just interact with each other without thinking because if you try to force yourself not to interact with your partner it just create pretty noticeable discrepancies between the slots.

That's the exact opposite of the thinking behind most traditional Wintreath games, where most people use a No Vote option because they don't want to accidentally vote off a townie and get the game off to a bad start. They reason that it's better for wolves to vote someone off because at least there's hard data to go on during the next day. Your point is well-taken though...this first day has certainly seen some dramatic moments lol.

That makes sense too...wolves would want to interact normally. It was just hard to see wolves pre-planning interactions around each other on the first day, and the consensus seems to be that that's not really a thing.

Winter's ISO is a bit more substantive than I was expecting, albeit some of these posts are so dense it's difficult for my ADHD brain to fully parse them through, and to their credit they did express skepticism on the Moon vote early on, meaning their EoD vote didn't come out of nowhere... still, the reasoning when they did vote was less than inspiring. It's admittedly a bold move for a wolf, but that's all the positives I can really say for this slot

RDB did jack shit D1. D2, they're kinda "softing" PR, then again this is the same player who pretended to be scum in a previous game so forgive me if I don't 100% take his word here. Most of these posts are the weird stuff typical of his playstyle, for better or for worse. GTH town, because I do think that their posts read a bit more similarly to National Lampoon (where they were town) than Severance (when they were a wolf), then again slanking D1 was something they did in the latter game and not the former, so they're still PoE for sure.

Currently Ignoring my own solves to work with the team

So what I am mostly seeing are the worlds of:

Winter + Belle
Rem + X?
Neon + Loona

Or some sort of combination of low poster?

Can you reply to this with your list of who is your die hard town and who you would want to chop today and their counter wagon of who to chop tomorrow.

If you dont reply to this and come in tomorrow saying "I wish we had chopped X instead" town should lynch you because this is your chance to contribute and control wolves options.

Form an opinion from the content on D1 and the lynch and the resulting spew.

Otherwise I might just push my own solve and from peoples reactions Ex Lite and Loona is not on anyones radar

Wait who is neon?

Die hard towns for me currently are rem and Ori, no one else exactly fits that category. Light is pretty close to that as well.

Neon is Princess Abigail

Still waiting for Rondo to explain where he got that worldview

ExLight and Loona both have good-looking EoD votes, so not looking there for now. As for Abby, they haven't done any weird pushes (aside from their no-reason votes) that I would associate with their wolf game, but there is a lack of energy that I would associate with their towngame; it almost reminds me of their wolf play in Wolfwalkers (maybe not the most fair example, as they were sick) even if it is dissimilar to their wolf play in Deceive Inc. Also, aside from the EoD shenanigans there isn't really much that stands out in their ISO.

Rem is the most active player here, and has two votes. It's usually a mistake to vote off the most active player, though given the general inactivity of the game it wouldn't be too difficult for a wolf to get to that position, and they were the most steadfast voter on Projekt's wagon (though they would have also had to have made the choice to flip Projekt in spite of this, which is WIFOM but would still be a bit weird). As for the posts themselves, it isn't easy to sort through 100+ posts when you can only view fifteen a page (thanks forum software) but I'll try my best. They do get some points for seemingly trying to push the game forward, which I appreciate. They did bring up the implications of the Projekt kill, which is something a wolf might do to build a narrative (I did this in my last wolf game) but as I said before this is WIFOM and it'd be better to analyze this kinda stuff when we have multiple flips. Trying to get inactives into the game is a good sign, I mean they are easy wolf targets as well but Rem doesn't seem to be tunneling here. Still, a lot of their EoD stuff still does look weird after the Moon flip, especially from someone who was supposedly fine with Moon going over (which isn't really reflected in their insistence on the Projekt wagon and shading the Moon voters). So overall, a mixed bag, but probably would not vote here for today at least.

Still waiting for Rondo to explain where he got that worldview

wait away

Vote: RondoDimBuckle