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Werewolf 31 Return to Wintreath Game Thread
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JaggedJimmyJay
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  • Also, JJJs championing of Sugar Moon's method past their death is kind of LAMIST. Felt like that needed said
    There is a deep philosophy of mine that may not be super relevant right now (at least not in this specific conflict between you and I), but I can expand after the game. The game of Mafia/WW has so many instances of telling players what they did wrong, or what they did that hurt the team, or why their play is lacking. Often that's just mafia berating town, but town also does it to themselves. It doesn't have to be that way, and towns literally play better when that's not the mindset. We need to give more effort to commending people when they do good things, and I make a point of doing that. Sugar Moon encouraged teamwork, and that's what makes the dream work. I always want to ensure that is recognized, post-mortem or not.
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  • I pledged to Leesbra that I would post a broader defense of myself too, so I will. I think it's better to avoid a big post-by-post version of that, because I have too many posts and that would become too much. So here's a general breakdown:

    - I have maintained a consistent level of engagement with this game, at least relative to its overall activity level, since it began. When we started and had no clue yet, when Numbers was outed by Icet, and in the days that followed as the game got gradually tighter -- I have tried my best to get town to the finish line. I haven't been successful yet, but we're right there. I have done this despite not really knowing the vast majority of people here. I have kept myself engaged to the best of my ability.

    - I have displayed a willingness to think critically and carefully. Even when callahan (Sugar Moon) and I got into that Day 1 conflict, we both found a way to resolve it amicably and even work together in the end. I have had similar dealings with most players -- considered both what makes them town and what might not, at least within reason. I was torn on players like Luka and ExLight and really tried to sort them with the time I had, and it's visible in my posts. This all shows that I was not informed about this game and in the same boat as every other town.

    - I shared a little bit of ExLight's mechanical confusion yesterday. It is often much easier for town to get lost in the mechanical weeds than mafia, because mafia have a vested interest in paying close attention to that all game long. Of course we both found our way, but I tend to only experience that confusion or "mechanical headache" when I am town -- especially vanilla town.

    - I have put myself out there by making high-leverage votes (like Jamie on Day 1 or ExLight yesterday) to try to propel the game in a positive direction while never hiding from the spotlight. Those votes haven't always been good ones, and I acknowledge my responsibility for that, but I am not alone in that. Sometimes the game of Mafia is hard, but we're still on the cusp of winning.

    - At least I think my posts should seem genuine and reasonable. This is subjective, and I obviously have a bias. Some have felt that I am "too wordy" or "too formal", perhaps, but that's just who I am as a person. At all stages of the game, I have laid my whole hand of cards out face up so everyone can see exactly where my mindset is and how I am trying to solve. I have been an open book, so to speak.

    Sometimes self-defense like this is wrought with bias, and it rarely lands for other people the way it seems like it should to oneself. That's just the nature of the game. So I remain an open book if there are questions or concerns.
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  • Regardless of what happens, it's been a pleasure playing with both of you and with everyone else. It's been a good vibes game, and that's the only kind of game I wish to play.
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    serif;
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  • But.. it is about town or mafia. Sugar Moons approach was bad for town because it gave mafia the opportunity you are taking advantage of. The stuff about exlight is defending myself and the stuff about wallposting in final three is also defending myself because I dislike doing that. Many of your points are just "sometimes mafia does this. town sometimes does it do. mafia?". There isn't anything to go off of on me and its known. I pointed it out myself. The wallpost had no purpose other than to look good. You gave as much content to me not being around as you did my actual real posts yesterday that are now only important, according to you, in retrospect. You did not care about them then. I don't remember you taking a side until you hammered even.
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    JaggedJimmyJay
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  • I voiced concerns about you at multiple stages of the game and could pull the quotes to show that. This isn’t sudden on my part. Now, I have raised new points today, because you’re mechanically locked mafia and it’s my job to show that.
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  • Also, that assessment of my wallpost is just not accurate. I had much more to say than “serif hasn’t been around”, and I was pretty clear about why certain things are mafia-indicative. Reducing the whole thing to presentation is disingenuous. I mean I’ve been doing big wall posts all game. It’s how I play.
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    Leesbra
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  • I think enough has been said here for me to come to a vote:
    (The below spoiler is just flavor text btw)

    Spoiler
    November 15th. That was the day I had a choice that changed the world around us. The days leading up to this point were filled with chaotic teamwork attempts, but it wasn’t until yesterday that we managed to truly connect. I had seen many dead bodies in the previous 4 days: Jamie, Numbers, Caitlin… all were dead by the time we got here. Except for 3 of us: Serif, Jimmy Jay, and me. My good friend Sugar Moon had been shot dead in their home the night before, and I knew it was going to be on my hands to choose who would be killed next.
    When day broke we three woke knowing that it was no longer a game of suspicion hunting, but rather a game of convincing. I knew this well, and I wanted to keep a clear mind as the day went on, even if Jimmy Jay and Serif both immediately pointed fingers at each other “Alright, you two. This is our final chance to take down the remaining mafia scum, so if you have proof against your fellow townmen… spill it.” Soon after both Serif and Jimmy Jay both got to arguing about who was the remaining mafia, knowing if they wanted to survive they had to speak out well.
    In the final hours of all 3 of us being together, I heard very important points from both sides, but Jimmy Jay in particular had written an essay of arguments, providing quotes of what Serif had said and pieced together the strings. After reading through this essay, and after hearing a bit more arguing, with a heavy breath I proceeded to pick up the gun on the table. It was only until we had a majority of votes that we could use it. Ironic that the last man of the mafia might go the way of their partner “You two have spoken enough… it’s time for me to take action.” Once the other two had become quiet, I held up the gun, and pointed it to both of them, trying to decide on who to kill.
    A life dying for the greater good is better than a life dying in shame, they say… but I haven’t seen a potentially better case than myself right here, right now. After a moment of debating and trying to keep myself from throwing away the gun, I come to a decision. 

    …I held the gun up to Serif’s head… and pulled the trigger. They proceeded to fall silent, unable to survive the fatal shot. As we both process that this happened, I walk over to the side of the table where Serif had been killed, and I saluted. Even if I was the one to determine his death, I wanted to be respectful to him in the afterlife. Hopefully he forgives… “…Forgive me, friend.”
    Now, the deed had been done. As I lay down to sleep in my own bed, only time will tell if I made the right choice, or if I shall see him in the afterlife with the blood of an innocent man on my hands.

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    The game is over Serif has been killed and she is

    ... vanilla town

    Mafia has over run the town Numbers and JJJ have won the game

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    JaggedJimmyJay
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  • Whew!

    Good game, everyone. Sorry for putting you in that impossible position, Leesbra. Well fought, serif. I'm glad the game could have an exciting finish.
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  • Bye all, good game
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    Good game, everyone. Sorry for putting you in that impossible position, Leesbra. Well fought, serif. I'm glad the game could have an exciting finish.
    I mean, to be fair you had the chance to win and you took it. Only seems right…
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    Numbers
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  • Clearly my strategy of dying early and making the town over confident and complacent paid off. >_>

    Yeah. <_<
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  • Thanks for hosting, Abigail. Wintreath Mafia has officially happened. 👌
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  • Congratulations on your victory, @JaggedJimmyJay. Obviously posting in my conversation topic gave you good luck. :D

    I promised a game to the surviving members of the winning team, and that seems to be you. So if you'd like a game on the list, just PM me which game you want and I'll send you the key or gift link.

    Congrats to @Numbers as well, even though they're dead. ;-;

    And thanks to everyone who played, as well as our host @☆ Princess Abigail ☆, who I know has put a lot into this game (and the Wintreath Werewolf/Mafia scene). I'm glad to see that it was successful and that everyone had fun. :)
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