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Some of the squad here has indicated town reading ExLight. I'd appreciate hearing more about why that is. @Caitlinuwu @Luka I believe each of you apply.

What's your read on me?
Accurate one and Gun to the head one

I don't quite have a read on you. You're null, which is why I asked. Their knowledge of you might be helpful to me, since I am not getting an initial impression. Put another way: I don't really take issue with what you have posted, but I also don't have any reason to believe what you've posted is town-indicative. To borrow the local language, you haven't "town-told" in my eyes.

If I had to provide a gun-to-head read without null as an option, I'd say town. That's more a reflection of raw probability than any actual perspective of your posts though.

Huh, I was expecting you to be setting up undermining their reads as a way to throw shade at me but your reply went on the opposite direction funny enough.

Hey everyone, I’m Jamie, looking forward to playing with you.
You might have been able to guess but I’ve played with ExLight before, but I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure of playing with anyone else here before.

My current thoughts on everything that’s happened so far in thread is that:

• Luka has looked good to me, actively trying to create discussion and general response to everything is making me town lean them.
• With JJJ and Callahan’s argument I think JJJ looks better to me, I agree with the point that early reads should be taken with a pinch of salt, but eventually you should be having full confidence in your reads.
• Caitlin and Ex look fine to me as of right now
• Leesbra I do not have a confident read on but they have been towny enough so far, their earlier stance on post activity I did not agree with and it felt kinda coasty to me with the “locked” town read from Luka.
• For everyone else I do not yet have an opinion on them.

Some of this pinged me. Let's talk about it, Jamie.

The first two bullets are a bit lukewarm for lack of a better word. The view about Luka strikes me as defaulted. I'm not sure Luka had to clear much of a barrier to reach this town lean. And I'm not sure the view about me "looking better" is coming from the right stuff in my argument with callahan. I may indeed be right about the idea that early game confidence is allowed to be relaxed, but I'm not sure why that would make me look better (i.e., look more town, assuming that is the intended interpretation). That's a philosophy more than it's a read. I'd appreciate if you could expand on these things.

Huh, I was expecting you to be setting up undermining their reads as a way to throw shade at me but your reply went on the opposite direction funny enough.

On this note, I'd like to provide a little clarity about my process. I get the impression there's a large contingent of chat-based Mafia players here, and that is a very different vibe to what I am used to and to how I usually play the game. I am a sort of strategist in the arena of "town leadership", and I wrote an article about it on MU. One of the most important things to me is to build an environment of teamwork and [within reasonable limitations] democracy. So I will often ask people for their perspectives on things and when I do there is always a reason for it. I am calling upon others that at least might be my teammates to offer their impressions and strengthen my own impressions. And when I share my impressions, I go to considerable lengths to be as clear as I can possibly be (to maximize others' abilities to benefit from my reads). This post is sort of an example!

This post may not be necessary, I'm not sure. But if there has been any culture clash with me, hopefully this resolves some of it.

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I wanted to do this exactly 24 hours into the phase but I'm not sure I'll be around then

DarchAngel
@GoldenOne 

Both of you are on track to miss post min and be force replaced

Jamie is too but he just subbed in so he isn't getting bothered.

Numbers is below post min but on pace to break it. That's all. Bye.

Vote: DarchAngel
Would like to hear some thoughts from you please.

bit of an easy vote, no?
if they're truly MIA not sure if you'll get much info from them

And if they aren’t it puts pressure on them to speak. 

Well, I am online right now for a bit

Once again I apologize for my outburst yesterday, it was unprofessional and I'll try to not make it happen again

Hi! Just want to stop in!

I'm Callahan : )

I'll be rereading what I missed, but excited to play with you all! Already at 10 pages so, the game is pretty active, which is good!

Hello there Callahan. Usually I wouldn’t be this active, but with a post minimum and whatever rule Caitlin was talking about, I kinda have to.
Either way welcome on.

It isn't a rule, it's just, as I said,
- You signed up so it'd be cool for Abigail if you put time into this game
- If you post, you make yourself more readable to us. If you are town, this lessens your chance of being voted out. Ofcourse, this actually is negative if you're mafia, but hopefully does show you my motive behind wanting you to post
- Maybe you have a rlly good observation. And even if you don't, it's always good to still list any observations you have, they don't even have to be good. All we have in mafia is text really, so use it! This is our tool to find the mafia! Not using the thread in forum mafia is like, not using a pickaxe when looking for diamonds in Minecraft
And to add to this third point; you rlly can't do something wrong :/ Even if you were wrong... Maybe your logic was right, and you can use this to get even more accurate reads in your next game. Heck, even the best players constantly make flaws in their reads. In fact, I expect my reads to suck this game. And yet I still make them. Cuz that is what mafia is, we are trying to find the mafia, and to do that, people discuss anything that might stand out to them

Ofc you're free to not play despite what I say, because, you're right, you did reach your post minimum, and I shouldn't have been so pushy about it. But hopefully this motivates you somewhat

Well, I am online right now for a bit

Once again I apologize for my outburst yesterday, it was unprofessional and I'll try to not make it happen again

You have nothing to be sorry about. I’m sorry for acting the way I did. 

Vote: Unvote 
There was a big post supposed to come with this but it didn’t save. Anyway, with the player I voted not yet returning I will leave them for now and look elsewhere soon. Big post to respond to JJJ coming whenever I can rewrite it.

Vote: Unvote
There was a big post supposed to come with this but it didn’t save. Anyway, with the player I voted not yet returning I will leave them for now and look elsewhere soon. Big post to respond to JJJ coming whenever I can rewrite it.

I appreciate the effort anyway. If you want to give the cliff notes that's also fine. Do your thing, we have plenty of time.

Hi! Just want to stop in!

I'm Callahan : )

I'll be rereading what I missed, but excited to play with you all! Already at 10 pages so, the game is pretty active, which is good!

Hello there Callahan. Usually I wouldn’t be this active, but with a post minimum and whatever rule Caitlin was talking about, I kinda have to.
Either way welcome on.

The rule is cait kills you if you low post

Honestly it's not really about low posting, cuz I get being busy, but like; posting 10 times in the first 3 hours and then disappearing is something I don't like. Practically the whole game happens after that! Yea we all have quick TLs from Leesbra from the start, but does a TL from super early game really translate to something we can use later on?

It'd be super if anyone could provide a quick rundown of who knows who in this game, because that can go a long way in assessing both interactions and the validity of arguments made (e.g., with meta reads).

I don't know anyone well, so on my own I'll be operating purely at face value.

At face value, I like the cut of Luka's jib. I acknowledge this read is a somewhat shallow "vibe check", but whatever it's a starting point. Separating the game immediately into binary groups (town/mafia) as they have started to do is the right management of thread momentum.

I know Cait, Luka, and Sam.

Do I have any meta-reads on them that can be translated into forums? No.
Am I going to use any meta that I have on them? No. Chat meta doesn't really translate well on forums in my opinion.

The game I hosted tho on MU featured you, Luka and Sam, do you think you have some forum meta from there on them?

I guess that comment was a bit… rude(?). But yeah, there’s been a lot of messages and I haven’t gotten much from them.

I suppose that's okay but yea pls do try to reply to some things. Seems like just after you posted this, content started to form that things could probably be said about

oh wait I played with callahan too right
wasn't it her with the johnny cage profile and

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

I'm glad that Callahan is seeing the same thing as me here but it's also kinda ironic; it feels like Callahan is kinda doing the same thing here that they accused JJJ of, seemingly. I do think the distinction between the 'LAMIST' and 'overcompensating' is odd because, isn't being LAMIST already a scumtell in itself? I kinda think as I said later that it might mostly be a playstyle, like, especially for the coloring thing you ;re about to accuse JJJ for in diff posts, it's clear JJJ always does that. They even did it in a thread about why they like mafia -> and I also asked them to do it, which, you shouldve come across in this thread?

Now logically, one could assume that this lands on a SL on Callahan but I kinda... townread the effort? And I think I know why Calla is so overanalysing, here

oh wait I played with callahan too right
wasn't it her with the johnny cage profile and

I dont know how Johnny Cage looks but yes, you and Callahan both were in New TTAG game 23

Well, I unfortunately gtg

Might be till tomorrow till I'll post more

Not a great look when I'm inactive myself when I've been trying to get ppl to be active ^^' I just had a rlly important exam today and I only got home recently, so ya, busy day

Also as for 'why I townread ExLight', because I have a distant memory of someone asking that when I read the thread in the train, mostly vibes, rlly. Did not yet form a new read on ExLight based on their new posts