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But Michi can win with anyone which means the wolves probably don't even need to kill him they probably do need to kill the killer though

Also, considering what y'all have been assuming out loud on what my role can be (I can't say if the assumptiojs are right or not, but the fact that those assumptions are enough), I'm pretty sure the wolves would want me dead since I've been siding with you guys.  Because if those assumptions are correct, it'd mean they have slim to 0 control in the day phase, which is much more of a detriment to them than it is town because it means that they have less of a chance to manipulate the vote if someone else controls it.

If I had to guess, the Killer is probably a 3P that will meet their win con if they successfully find and kill me given my own condition is literally just "survive to the end."

What you fail to realize is that your survival lowers lylo by one

For instance if there was 3 wolves you and 4 town left for example it would be lylo because you essentially add to their count. You give them a faster win. Where as of you were **actually** town they'd have to kill 2 more

This is the same for the Killer though I'd assume since they're also a 3P neutral, so it's weird that you'd say this.

But Michi can win with anyone which means the wolves probably don't even need to kill him they probably do need to kill the killer though

So I'll add the killer to town but remove Michi and the numbers are the same lol

When it's highly doubtful they'd be any town help since they, you know, kill folks.  

The only exception to this would be if the Killer was in fact Dr. Jeckyl/Mr. Hyde, and that was the medical anomaly that was cured (so they wouldn't be the Killer role anymore).

And actually, I'm going to guess that it was absolutely that, which if Mel was the one that was cured of it, that would mean she's a town-sided Jeckyll but started out as a Killer Hyde.

@Melehan would this be a correct assumption at all?

Your inability to understand this is going to make me incur a mod penalty again. 

Oh well. Maybe they'll kill me I wouldn't be opposed.

A killer Michi. Will kill mafia. They have to. 

You Michi. Simply need to exist and the wolves can win. A killer is a threat and thus means they need to kill the killer. But you are not a threat by your very claim. And with two doctors who are presumably smart enough to spend the next several days healing each other every night and a now dead team mate the wolves would actually need to use you in order to have any world in which they could possibly win. 

Because if there is only 1 or 2 of them left which there most certainly is one of those numbers than they literally can not win the game unless they keep you alive and use you in order to win.

And by the way Mel has already said they were not the killer and if that was a lie I will actually just sit on Mel until the end of the game so you might as well just kill me and put me out of my misery because I actually can not understand why town isn't understanding this.

But just accuse me of TMI and kill me so we can all move on to the end game where we all lose because nobody will listen to actual facts.

I'll take my mod penalty now

I don't care what anyone else says.

Michi is ok in my book. If not for him, I'd be dead twice over. So that's that as far as I am concerned.

Michi (3p Kingmaker), Mel (3p role copier), Kane (claimed investigator), Svip (claimed investigator), Dolby (doctor), Neon (hider - told if kill attempted on), and Vro (??)


Ok with:
Michi, Neon, Dolby, Mel

Eh?
Kane

Not ok with:
Svip and Vro



First, I'm ok with Michi simply because he's literally been the sole reason I'm still alive. All the rest of you? You've tried to take my heart twice now. You deserve ruin for that. idc that Michi can win with anyone (including mafia). By his actions alone, he's swayed me from how I typically would approach a 3p survivor in that "lynch them you can't trust them they'll betray us" kind of way. But here? No way. Michi doesn't have a dog, necessarily, in any particular race, unless it is to prolong his survival (such as getting rid of people susing him). I certainly expressed disdain towards Michi early in the game, and he still saved me. He gets honorary town status because of that, and I will make anyone's life miserable that wants to contest Michi because what is wrong with you?

That being said, and I know Neon is focused on Michi being a danger, but I'm town reading Neon here. Going back through D2 to see how Neon posted and reacted towards others reaffirmed that town vibe I got from Neon early on despite the unease I had with Gerrick seeing Neon target Aers or Neon flipping on me on D2 (thank you again for saving me, Michi). Despite all of this, I forgive Neon. Wrong town will be wrong, but they can learn. Especially if they leave Michi alone because he did nothing wrong.

Dolby and Mel, via mechanics as I understand it, are the reason we have two docs (Dolby being a doc that cured an anomaly and Mel having been visited by Dolby and thus being a doc). Now, given my limited understanding of Mel's role, what's to say that Mel isn't just a continuous 3p role that just copies people's roles that target her and still has other moves they can make to further help them survive in a chaotic environment? We know Kane confirmed Mel being 3p, but that's all we have to go on. Probably best to keep Mel in eyesight just in case. I am aware of some theories postulated such as being cured has made Mel town sided Jekyl or w/e as opposed to killer Hyde. May have merit.

Outside of them, I know both Kane and Svip are both claimed investigators -- Kane for confirming Mel was 3p (in some way that isn't traditional cop or something that he is limited on speaking on) while Svip has claimed I'm town due to copping me (though I am curious, since that was done D3, what other results Svip has because -- common). Of the two I have a knee-jerk suspicion mostly towards Svip because, as someone observed, it looked like appeasement. I am aware of a point made about how Doc was trying to get Svip to target someone even though Doc was a framer (and thus could force a red check or something). So that would lend a positive point to Svip over Kane. Plus Kane did try going after me D2 despite being able to see me being town, but figuring I could be the 3p killer and thus ? vote me anyway. So a point against Kane there (again, thank you Michi).

And then there is Vro, and I know nothing about him.

Your inability to understand this is going to make me incur a mod penalty again.

Oh well. Maybe they'll kill me I wouldn't be opposed.

A killer Michi. Will kill mafia. They have to.

You Michi. Simply need to exist and the wolves can win. A killer is a threat and thus means they need to kill the killer. But you are not a threat by your very claim. And with two doctors who are presumably smart enough to spend the next several days healing each other every night and a now dead team mate the wolves would actually need to use you in order to have any world in which they could possibly win.

Because if there is only 1 or 2 of them left which there most certainly is one of those numbers than they literally can not win the game unless they keep you alive and use you in order to win.

And by the way Mel has already said they were not the killer and if that was a lie I will actually just sit on Mel until the end of the game so you might as well just kill me and put me out of my misery because I actually can not understand why town isn't understanding this.

But just accuse me of TMI and kill me so we can all move on to the end game where we all lose because nobody will listen to actual facts.

I'll take my mod penalty now

Yeah, this argument baffles me.

Me simply existing is a threat all around, but so is the Killer.  The only hitch with the killer, assuming my assumption is wrong, is that they kill someone at night as well as day when they vote with the others.

Them simply existing is threat enough, but the fact that they can kill is added on to that.  Why are you assuming they have to and will kill Mafia?  Their first target, assuming it wasn't switched around due to the abilities was a townie.  Hell, if it was switched around then it could have been me since I was transported N1.

I absolutely am a threat if I want to be, but I choose not to of my own volition because I want the game to go on and see the townies win.  But don't believe for a second that I'm not a threat if I wanted to be.  Considering what y'all have speculated about my role, I'm surprised you're even saying that.  I've chosen to

Typically in a 12 player game you'd expect to see 3 mafia players.

Between Mel and Michi that's two 3ps right there.

So at 10 slots left, 3 mafia does seem overbearing. Especially since Michi can win with anyone (not sure about Mel's win con). So 2 mafia would make more sense though that doesn't mean we're guaranteed to see exactly this.

As it stands if you think there are only two mafia, then the last should be between Kane and Svip.,

Oh right it's night time. Day already passed.

To not be a threat, when I could easily have decided to be vastly more chaotic.

Stupid phone.  <.<

For the record, I was the other person that was transported N1 Michi. So that removes the transporting as an issue with known targets.

Current Post Count:
@Dolby - 6
@Vroendal - 8
@Neon Abigail - 11
@Melehan - 6
@Michi - 7
@KingofDominaria - 4


Please do be mindful of the night post limit. Penalties for exceeding the limit will be determined before the end of night phase. 

And then there is Vro, and I know nothing about him.

Actually it's funny that you bring that up because the same could be said of you. 
My PoE excludes Neon because her claim and tone have been very believable from my point of view. It's one of Kane/Svip and you from where I stand.
Not that it seems to matter to anyone else apparently but you, like me, no longer have any clear now that it's been resolved who else was transported.
Every time you mention Michi, it vibes like you're trying a last-ditch attempt to pocket him.

Michi's won this game for town anyway so you can kill me now if you want to end the game faster.

assuming Svip is town

Dolby
Mel
Svip
KoD
Michi

all not and probably not killers

leaving wolves and killers in Vro/Neon/Kane.

Dolby
Mel
Michi is my towncore no matter what. Which is funny given that they aren't town but i think that we just have to hope that Michi continues to side with us

KoD is provisional towncore for only being evil if Svip is evil

acknowledging what Mel said it still feels weird for wolves to have an alignment cop but... eh I don't believe there's two cops

Over the speakers “I’ll take my mod penalty now” plays on repeat, distorted.

*The PA approaches one of the nominee’s seat with noted Gnomie Award winner Samuel L. Jackson. The PA points at the actor with a flourish and a scowl.*

”Motherf*cker!”


“I couldn’t have said it better myself Sammy-kins.”

*The two men stare at each other, obviously uncomfortable. They both cough uncomfortably and turn their attention to… @Neon Abigail.*

“Anywaysssss. This is our second time having to address you and not once was it for an award! Have you no respect for the traditions of this grand event? Don’t let it happen again. You will be removed, mothalicka!”

*Samuel gives Neon and the PA a stink eye that the PA tries to mimic. Samuel is unimpressed and leaves*.

Your post count is reduced by 5 tomorrow. This is your final warning, next measure will be a mod kill.

Also the Killer is ALWAYS either Vro or Svip (or KoD I guess if Svip is mafia, but KoD is only evil if Svip is evil anyway so he dies after Svip), assuming that it isn't Michi but I'm assuming it isn't Michi anyway bc if it is the game is basically unwinnable for town rn. Or I made former killer mel townside and she can't townside and heres why. 

it isn't neon or me bc of n1 actions
it isn't mel bc I made her good
it isn't KoD bc of the inspect unless Svip was mafia making a play and tbh i do believe that that can be a world but w/e hopefully neon doesn't die tonight and i can stop worrying about this world
it isn't michi bc lol if it's michi

so yeah

in addition to vro and svip, neon and kane are also in the mafia pool of course. KoD also is if Svip is a killer, yadda yadda, we always resolve Svip first. If Svip is town, Vro is the killer specially unless Michi is something like "you're a killer and you control the yeet unless town decides to yeet you" but it's always optimal to yeet Michi specifically in f3 anyway and just leave him until exactly that point if we believe in that: that is the optimal strategy, and Kane is the wolf instead of Neon bc i don't believe there's two cops. Tl;dr if Svip is town, Vro is a killer, and Kane is a wolf. I forget about why I cleared Kane from being a killer. probably assuming no multiaction, but we'd get rid of Kane next before Vro to make sure I got it right

if Svip is evil, it depends on what type of evil he is, personally I'd assume he's the killer just from how they've acted and that doc was willing to vote for them, Kane is town. If Svip is the killer that means that one of Vro and Neon are the wolves. If Svip is a wolf that just means that Vro is the killer

gonna see if anyone said anything about doc's slot

You've got to know when to hold 'em

Know when to fold 'em

Know when to walk away

And know when to run

You never count your money

When you're sittin' at the table

There'll be time enough for countin'

When the dealin's done

The music cuts out as the feed comes back from commercials. The music choices are getting more and more esoteric, almost as if the host is running out of ideas or something. The host walks on stage as he takes the mic.


“Welcome back, everyone! I hope you’ve been enjoying the show so far. We have another award to be handed out, the….”


Two half-wolf, half man type creatures burst into the room at that point, look around, point at a specific nominee and charge at him. A young man jumps out, pulls a club out of his jacket and begins to fight with them. The fight takes them through the hall, across the stage, over other nominees tables and, finally, outside the hall entirely.


The host stands on stage, nonplussed, before he finally begins to speak again.


“Well, that was….a thing. I suppose Detective Nick Burkhardt won’t be able to join us for the rest of the event. A shame. Anyway, the next event…”


The halls burst open again as a bunch of British men in expensive but old fashioned suits burst into the hall. The host pauses, fighting back a laugh, as he lets things play out. The men hurry over to one of the nominees. Furious whispering breaks out at the table before the nominee in question stands up, a well dressed older looking gentleman who speaks in a refined British accent.


“Good evening, everyone, pardon me for the interruption. I have just been informed that the Queen has asked me to visit her in Buckingham Palace. I know that there are rumors that I am being considered as the next Prime Minister and this might seem like confirmation that I am about to receive the job. You might very well think that; but I couldn't possibly comment, I’m afraid. Now, if you will excuse me, I really must be going.”


The nominee and the other men leave quickly, a sense of excitement visible on the nominee's face. Once they are gone, the host nods and begins to speak.


“Good for Francis Urquhart, I am sure he will be a wonderful Prime Minister who will never do anything untoward or evil in his time in office. Quite so.”
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.So close, yet so far from paradise

I hold, you in my arms, in paradise

Is mine, then you slip away

Like a child at play, and here am I

So close, yet so far from paradise

Detective Nick Burkhardt (Svipjoth), the Town Investigator, was killed in the night by the Wolf Chief.

Francis Urquhart (Imaginative Kane), the Wolf Consigliere, was killed in the night by the Town Vigilante.

Night 3 has ended. Day 4 has begun. It will end at 2200 (UTC+8 ) 15th June. Good luck.

Vote: Neon Abigail