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Werewolf XXVII: A Golden Affair (Game Thread)
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☆ Princess Abigail ☆
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  • The self professed 3P who also, and I can not stress this part enough, was totally willing to let Gerrick rand rather than saving him when she had ****plenty**** of time to do so. But silly me I forgot the vote count was tied right. 

    Totally town just wanted the verified tracker dead
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    Svipjoth
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  • I find KoD's vote against me pretty darn interesting, considering the fact that I'm extremely new at forum Werewolf, and even if I was scum, I would be absolutely trash at hiding it. But here's the kicker: I am an investigator and you, KoD, are town. I know that for a fact despite your more suspicious comments.
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    Doc
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  • Ah, okay, upon review, Dolby is just not the killer (which I take in this case to mean that he's not the 3p Killer, shown in purple in the morning report, instead of the Wolf Chief, who was shown in red), which is not to say he's not scum (and could well still be the Chief right?).

    *The PA slides a note to Doc*

    Not sure why he’s still listed in the vote count- we’ll look into it! In the meantime, rest assured we’re aware of it and will not be counting him for or against any future votes!
    My guess is probably just that he 'died' during the day phase when I replaced him, but it presumably continues to count votes from dead players for the day (since it doesn't track night activity separately from day, eliminating someone who died makes it harder to keep track of their votes probably). So this is actually probably working as intended, it's just a weird edge case.

    Correct we are paired. We are both town. Unlike you the self confessed 3P who is totally definitely really not the killer and expects me to believe this set up was that unbelievably broken.
    Wait, are you claiming Mason now or is this just a roundabout way of saying 'we're town'?
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    ☆ Princess Abigail ☆
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  • I find KoD's vote against me pretty darn interesting, considering the fact that I'm extremely new at forum Werewolf, and even if I was scum, I would be absolutely trash at hiding it. But here's the kicker: I am an investigator and you, KoD, are town. I know that for a fact despite your more suspicious comments.
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    ☆ Princess Abigail ☆
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  • I'm saying we are both individually town
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    Doc
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  • I am an investigator and you, KoD, are town. I know that for a fact despite your more suspicious comments.
    I'm guessing this is like a cop, in which case I guess we have our solution to the Mel problem.
    I assume like in most games, you can't keep doing the same action to the same target every night, so since you're also a cop in addition to Kane, you can scan Mel tonight and we'll know for sure if she's really the 3p Killer or the Doctor like she claims; if the former, we can deal with it tomorrow, and if the latter, we've avoided killing a pretty important role.
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  • Ah, and a bonus: if Mel's really the doctor, she can keep Svip alive, meaning that if Svip 'mysteriously' winds up dead tonight, we'll know the doctor claim is a crock.
    Although there was a very specific claim of 'Doctor #2', implying that if true, either Mel is in contact with the other doctor, or was just informed that someone else was the doctor - in which case said other doctor could instead be the one expected to keep Svip alive, leaving Mel free to go doctor someone else...?
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    Michi
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  • Either way, it sounds like a solid night plan to get insight on Mel one way or the other.  My only worry is the possibility that Svip is faking and will just give a false read, but thankfully that's usually an easy one to figure the truth out of.

    At the very least, depending on Mel's result will illuminate quite a few things, so I'll be waiting with interest.

    As for who to chop today, I'm going to wait until there's someone more folks are certain about since I don't want another Gerrick round where it seems sure, only for me to wake up and see people for the most part suddenly pivoted away.
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    Arenado
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  • With slightly under 10 hours left in this day phase, the vote stands at:

    Neon Abigail: 1 (Melehan)
    Melehan: 1 (Neon Abigail)
    Svipjoth: 1 (KingofDominaria)
    Dolby: 1 (Doc)


    @Dolby has not met the minimum post requirement. Please post 2 posts before the end of the day phase.
    I Hope You Have A Nice Day :]
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    KingofDominaria
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  • @ Doc:

    First, my analysis was geared towards "known" information given to us by others so as to limit who to look at as far as potential killers go. This led to the PoE I gave mention of which is fairly contained (though it also assumes, on your part, that you're playing in a fairly town manner ever since subbing in for Corbin).

    Second, the 180 on your slot is, quite literally, because of you. My "firm" scum read of Corbin was strictly on how Corbin was approaching things. That's a far cry from how you're approaching things. So, quite literally, what else would you expect the 180 to come from?

    As for Dolby, and going off my first point tangentially, I haven't eliminated him as potential scum. Based on what was claimed by Gerrick and Neon, assuming Neon is honest, there's no reason to assume Dolby made a kill action the first night. He *could* be on the scum team though. Svri, on the other hand, has checked in to say they'd participate more, but I'm not seeing that. They are in the PoE as far as being the one that could have made a kill. So, without devolving into complete paranoia about Neon, Svri is a decent target to chop through given known targets from the first night. Dolby isn't a bad target, though, imo, isn't as optimal.

    That being said, yeah, I prefer to maintain a philosophy wherein scum try to play safe. This isn't a catchall though as it will miss more active scum players or power wolves definitely. If Neon is such, I'll miss it. The only issues I've had with Neon is her complete 180 on me, and the fact that Gerrick saw her targeting Aers. Aside from, since her targeting of Aers can be explained away by her claim, there's not much else to indicate Neon is scum here.



    @ Mele:

    I'll echo the response Neon said towards you in that, yeah, we're paired strictly as town even though she did try to elim me out of nowhere. What I don't agree with, despite being the recipient of this, is that we're paired as scum. Strictly because why, in that situation, does Neon attempt to vote me out there as opposed to Corbin as you so astutely noted? If your response is going to be in the vein of because we knew I'd survive (which thus implies that I or Neon have the ability that unilaterally secured the lynch), then that's quite the hot take to make given what Neon has claimed and was backed up by the targeting as far as targeting Gerrick and the fact that I maintain I was not the source of the Kingmaker ability.

    But if that's the view you want to maintain, more power to you.



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    I find KoD's vote against me pretty darn interesting, considering the fact that I'm extremely new at forum Werewolf, and even if I was scum, I would be absolutely trash at hiding it. But here's the kicker: I am an investigator and you, KoD, are town. I know that for a fact despite your more suspicious comments.



    Bold move of you to make. There's only one problem (well a couple problems):

    1. I have no way of knowing how you'd be, as scum, at forum mafia. There's no reason for me to take you at your word.

    2. If you're an investigator, why did you only claim one result and nothing else? We've had two nights so you should have two results.

    Huh, perhaps you are correct and I should take you at your word about how you'd play as scum.
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    Vroendal
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  • I spent two hours figuring out that KoD was pretty much mechanically clear only to realize I'm wrong because I missed one very important detail because people are assuming things previously said incorrectly without double checking and now I'm very sad and I have to go to sleep. Just to clarify @Neon Abigail you say that you only die if you visit a mafia role specifically? Or is it a killing role in general? Anyway, other more important notes:

    Gerrick was an investigative role and both Kane and Svip are claiming investigative roles. They are unlikely to all be town. Either Kane or Svip is a wolf investigative role, or one is lying. Because Mel confirmed Kane's result and the result was Neutral, Kane and Mel are more unlikely to both be wolves, therefore Kane's information is accurate and if there's a liar it's Svip.

    I still think all my reasoning about Mel is incredibly valid and that we should absolutely chop her now and not go through with an incredibly risky test for a very suspicious claim, but if y'all want to risk the game for town right here and now (which due to Mel's own claim is a distinct possibility) then I can't stop you. Maybe you're all evil. It doesn't matter where I vote anyway if Michi's a Kingmaker, but I'll toss on a vote anyway for show.

    Vote: Melehan

    I'm fine with Svip and Mel competing wagons, from my viewpoint one's a game-ending hazard and the other's probably a wolf. I would not advise adding any more wagons to the mix.
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    ☆ Princess Abigail ☆
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  • Technically in the way it's worse I believe neutral killer would kill me too but any town killing roles would not. 
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  • OK that's good to know.

    KoD is the only one claiming to be transported D1, leaving only Aers himself and NoName as the potential second target.

    KoD is mechanically clear from being both a wolf and the Killer IF Aers transported himself with KoD N1. This is because Aesr was killed by a wolf, and a wolf would not target one of their own, so if KoD was transported he can not be a wolf.

    Most importantly!!! if Neon was seen by Gerrick, a confirmed town, visiting her target Aers, then she would actually have visited KoD and due to her claim that visiting a wolf or non-town killing role kills her, that completely clears KoD.

    This information is tainted if KoD was transported with NoName. It should be noted that Aers voted NoName so it is definitely a possibility that Aers tried to get someone he thought was a wolf killed through transportation. This would clear KoD from being the Killer, but not from being a wolf.
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  • It sounded a lot prettier when it was typed up like an hour ago but you get the gist right? If there are any mistakes with my logic please tell me.

    I'm going to sleep.

    Mel's the smart townie vote here.
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    Dolby
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  • Hi Doc. Welcome to the game.

    I would like to announce that someone tried to kill me last night. Considering no one else died, I was targeted by both the wolves and SK. I do believe that clears me as unambiguously town.
    Fyi aside from this I have strong reasons to believe melehan is town
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