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My reads lists are not ordered from most to least, this is just stream of consciousness from my reread just now.

Townleans---
Doc - feels exactly like last game.
Nyght - feels less innocent than last game. This is strangely a good thing.
Lau - aggressively town.
LoS - solvey, pushy.

Nulls---
BSR - hmm.... probably my most towny null...
Sapph
Gerrick - feels like last game. Flipped town last game... but I'm not reading them either way yet.
Eastern New England
Hydra
taulover- comes in with a meta game argument and dips again.

Scum lean---
where do I stand?
Colberius X - Lau made a good point: lotsa posts, not a lot that was memorable. Slight scum lean for this fact alone.
Anubhav Ghosh - something pinged me yesterday, but I'm not finding it on the reread. Asks for a seer read... this is always a weird move to me, idk how to interpret.

I already voted.

I know, I was just making clear that we (and 6 others) have to vote this phase or we're modkilled. No withdrawing your vote, no switching to vote no lynch, it's gotta be a vote on someone or you're modkilled.

Speaking of keeping track of votes:
Vote Tracker:
Gerrick: LoS
Nyght: LoS
Lau: Anubhav
Gerrick: Anubhav
Doc: ENE

Vote Count:
LoS - Nyght (1)
Anubhav - Lau, Gerrick (2)
ENE - Doc (1)

Vote Reminders For Those Who Must Vote Or Risk Modkill
@Anubhav Ghosh @BraveSirRobin @cozmikrae @Eastern New England @Hydra @taulover

Doc is eerily silent today (I will blame the timezone, maybe its nap time).

Bruh, day phase started two hours ago.

Pre-Swarm Of New Posts Readslist post

Anyway readslist time.

WolfTown Core:
Me (duh)

Town Leans:
Anubhav - something about my gut just keeps pinging me in like every third post and I don't know how to describe it, which is why I pulled him from Core to Lean. Why he was in contention at all is that there's a pretty good chunk of me that assumes he's the defender again, considering he and Vro's achievements in that arena last game paired with this last NK being blocked (which, yeet). He also picked up points for agreeing with my sentiment about 'let the Seer Solve', though, even if I'm salty about the post I quote above.
BSR - In a game with this many Valerias, I don't trust any of them until we've found the 1-2 that are the scumteam. But I like his...er...one...post. The only post. It had townie flavor all over it, imo.
Gerrick - his D1 seems like Town Gerrick meta to me.

Null:
Colby - I have no sense of his meta (hence why my D1 reads are basically null), and it strikes me that while he has no sense of the new meta, he's picking it up quick. Weirdly, keeps making a big deal about historically always fighting Lau, but doesn't seem to want to do that this game? Maybe they're buds or maybe he's getting his sea legs.
Hydra and Taulover - Inactive but that's NAI; not filed with the 3 below because they're Valerias.
Cozmik, ENE, TGN - I'll likely change my mind as they post more.
LoS and Nyght - honestly, after last game, I may never fully trust either of them again. But despite that, they've been solvey as hell this game and that's a plus. Nonetheless, Anubhav's sentiment about LoS complimenting/clearing people who sus him last game and him doing so on Lau...well, worrisome. Still, I don't think both he and Nyght are scum, so it's at worst one or the other.

Scum Leans:
Lau - someone has to pad out this list and the fact that we're not at daggers drawn yet seems like a bad sign, since almost invariably when we're not, it's because you're scum and I'm often a fairly useful idiot.
Sapphiron - sorry fam, but 1) statistically speaking, you were Seer last game, implying you're not likely to be this game, and 2) you're a Valeria, which means 3) high scum likelihood.

In the intervening 41 posts (seriously, guys, it had only been an hour when I first put this in, now it's been 45 minutes since then, please, we can't keep doing this), however, some people have changed positions dramatically.

I've basically 180ed on both Anub and Lau and switched their positions accordingly.
Anub is now a scumlean: largely this is informed by just how similar I feel his play is right now to LoS' last game, which was a staggering amount of activity meant to corral people down a particular avenue to a mislynch like a powerwolf in sheepdog's clothing. While there doesn't seem to be a certain specific target being chased, the emphasis on inactive people, when, like, hell, maybe at least some - e.g. Tau's expressed this will likely be 'his last game of WW' because of the activity spike - are just put off. We've had this problem happen before. And the 'Doc sus cause he hasn't posted yet, 2 hours after the phase started' thing is particularly grating now that I'm considering this angle, frankly.
Lau is now a townlean: he's seemed largely focused on clearing and pointing out NAI behavior, but especially that catch on how Anub's play has seemed off is sort of crystallizing how I'm feeling about his posts.

BSR made another post! Which I like the reasoning of, so ratcheting him up slightly, from 'town lean' to, er, 'slightly more town lean'.

I grow less convinced of Sapph's scumminess, which was mostly based on probability anyway, but is a dumb and unfair way to play. I've bumped him up to Null accordingly.

So the new, short version readslist:
WolfTown Core:
Me (duh)

Town Leans:
BSR
Gerrick
Lau

Null:
Colby
LoS and Nyght
Sapph
Hydra and Taulover
Cozmik, ENE, TGN

Scum Leans:
Anubhav

Did I sus you , I don't recall . As of posting , it went bidirectional , Lau hits me , I hit him back .

I won't vote for Lau , because most of the players think he is town and maybe I was too impulsive(the curse of one good game  ) However to save myself because I know I am townie , I will

Vote:ENE

My scum leans atm

ENE: Horrifyingly less info in posts

Cozmik: Something about me pings her ~ if that's all the reasoning that comes from her about sussing me , I dunno where else to put her.

Hydra/Taulover : The silent killers , maybe

Wish the seer clears me up. I have a gut feeling that he might not be active , might end up getting modkilled.

My reads lists are not ordered from most to least, this is just stream of consciousness from my reread just now.

Townleans---
Doc - feels exactly like last game.
Nyght - feels less innocent than last game. This is strangely a good thing.
Lau - aggressively town.
LoS - solvey, pushy.

Nulls---
BSR - hmm.... probably my most towny null...
Sapph
Gerrick - feels like last game. Flipped town last game... but I'm not reading them either way yet.
Eastern New England
Hydra
taulover- comes in with a meta game argument and dips again.

Scum lean---
where do I stand?
Colberius X - Lau made a good point: lotsa posts, not a lot that was memorable. Slight scum lean for this fact alone.
Anubhav Ghosh - something pinged me yesterday, but I'm not finding it on the reread. Asks for a seer read... this is always a weird move to me, idk how to interpret.

TGN I forgot about you tbh. But thinking back slight town lean/null.

I already voted.

I know, I was just making clear that we (and 6 others) have to vote this phase or we're modkilled. No withdrawing your vote, no switching to vote no lynch, it's gotta be a vote on someone or you're modkilled.

Speaking of keeping track of votes:
Vote Tracker:
Gerrick: LoS
Nyght: LoS
Lau: Anubhav
Gerrick: Anubhav
Doc: ENE

Vote Count:
LoS - Nyght (1)
Anubhav - Lau, Gerrick (2)
ENE - Doc (1)

Vote Reminders For Those Who Must Vote Or Risk Modkill
@Anubhav Ghosh @BraveSirRobin @cozmikrae @Eastern New England @Hydra @taulover

Did I misunderstand the rule then? I thought since no lynch was a vote it didn't count against you. @Michi can you clarify?

My reads lists are not ordered from most to least, this is just stream of consciousness from my reread just now.

Townleans---
Doc - feels exactly like last game.
Nyght - feels less innocent than last game. This is strangely a good thing.
Lau - aggressively town.
LoS - solvey, pushy.

Nulls---
BSR - hmm.... probably my most towny null...
Sapph
Gerrick - feels like last game. Flipped town last game... but I'm not reading them either way yet.
Eastern New England
Hydra
taulover- comes in with a meta game argument and dips again.

Scum lean---
where do I stand?
Colberius X - Lau made a good point: lotsa posts, not a lot that was memorable. Slight scum lean for this fact alone.
Anubhav Ghosh - something pinged me yesterday, but I'm not finding it on the reread. Asks for a seer read... this is always a weird move to me, idk how to interpret.

TGN I forgot about you tbh. But thinking back slight town lean/null.

I already voted.

I know, I was just making clear that we (and 6 others) have to vote this phase or we're modkilled. No withdrawing your vote, no switching to vote no lynch, it's gotta be a vote on someone or you're modkilled.

Speaking of keeping track of votes:
Vote Tracker:
Gerrick: LoS
Nyght: LoS
Lau: Anubhav
Gerrick: Anubhav
Doc: ENE

Vote Count:
LoS - Nyght (1)
Anubhav - Lau, Gerrick (2)
ENE - Doc (1)

Vote Reminders For Those Who Must Vote Or Risk Modkill
@Anubhav Ghosh @BraveSirRobin @cozmikrae @Eastern New England @Hydra @taulover

Did I misunderstand the rule then? I thought since no lynch was a vote it didn't count against you. @Michi can you clarify?

Did you vote no-lynch ? If so you are not getting modkilled , maybe . The same controversy arose in last game over me unvoting and ending the day without a vote , but it was not a modlynch issue

Yeah, on that point:

DEFENDERS, Y'ALL CAN PROTECT EACH OTHER, SO DON'T BE DUMB ENOUGH NOT TO CLEAR EACH OTHER IN YOUR READS LISTS. EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON IS EXPENDABLE. WE CAN'T LOSE THIS GAME IF THE TWO OF YOU KEEP DEFENDING EACH OTHER AND FIGURE OUT WHO SCUM IS SINCE YOU WILL HAVE A DAMN STRONG POE.

Did @Michi ever confirm whether or not there are linked defenders? I did a quick search through the Print Page and couldn't find anything.

People consider me a good player AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Well, I'll at least try not to disappoint you.

So here's the thing. We don't THINK you're a good player. We know you are. Which is why this kinda post comes off hella sus at the moment. And I think that's why I've got you on my scumreads at the moment.

I say this with a great deal of hesitancy but I will also Vote Legacy of Smiles.

I say hesitant because, while his whole, "shucks I'm not that good" statement earlier rang hella suspicious to me and I feel like his playstyle this game is just different enough from last time to be a mask, I know if he flips town I'm shooting myself in the foot because Doc is gonna be on my ass as he mentioned earlier if one of us is town the other is likely a wolf. That being said there's been a lot of deflection without any real direction coming from him.

I get a feeling that it's more a big fish in a big pond moved into a much smaller pond and the feelings of inadequacy carry over from the big pond. It seems like a natural reaction to me, not really anything suspicious.

It takes a certain mindset and situation to embrace the fact that you're actually good at a thing. For me personally for instance, in RL situations my instinctual reaction to any compliment is to profusely deny it. Given LoS' background and situation I am personally unsurprised at his response to being considered a powerful player.

And I don't want to miss out on scum and the tricks they are brewing , in the much silent zone of this party .

The deaf and dumb lacks enemies and exposure . I wouldn't be sad if I lose to scum who stayed low completely , because its unfair advantage they have in their palms.

Interesting note here is I think this is even more pronounced now because of how unbalanced the difference is between the active and inactive players. In a more "professional" Mafia game like the ones in Mafia Universe you only get very active people, in less active games like the ones in Wintreath as a several years ago everyone is at a similar lower activity level where slipping by as a wolf is viable but also interesting as a strategy (e.g. Hydra's Wendigo play that Laurentus somehow still thinks is one of the best wolf plays ever), but in this game it's just horrible all-around - you have super-active people dominating the conversation while overwhelming the people who just came looking for a chill game.

Doc makes a great point about how this can also be flipped around - Human can be hiding as inactive, but also could be weaponizing the polarization in activity against the inactives:

Anub is now a scumlean: largely this is informed by just how similar I feel his play is right now to LoS' last game, which was a staggering amount of activity meant to corral people down a particular avenue to a mislynch like a powerwolf in sheepdog's clothing. While there doesn't seem to be a certain specific target being chased, the emphasis on inactive people, when, like, hell, maybe at least some - e.g. Tau's expressed this will likely be 'his last game of WW' because of the activity spike - are just put off. We've had this problem happen before. And the 'Doc sus cause he hasn't posted yet, 2 hours after the phase started' thing is particularly grating now that I'm considering this angle, frankly.

Unlike Doc, I personally don't see it tying to anyone specific, but I also haven't been thinking about the game as much as he presumably has. In particular, I would question any attempt to separate natural and understandable bias against inactive players (whether they're more inactive overall or just inactive during a particular bout of activity) from Humans actively pushing against them. I think that would be a very hard distinction to make; the people here used to more active games are going to be instinctively more suspicious of the less active, I think.

Vote Reminders For Those Who Must Vote Or Risk Modkill
@Anubhav Ghosh @BraveSirRobin @cozmikrae @Eastern New England @Hydra @taulover

Did I misunderstand the rule then? I thought since no lynch was a vote it didn't count against you. @Michi can you clarify?

Wait yeah like, I actually didn't vote yesterday so I'm actually risking an inactivity lynch by not voting yet but quite a few of the people that Doc mentioned went for a No Lynch, which shouldn't lead to an inactivity lynch

I actually answered the Defender thing last EoD.

It's the traditional defenders-know-each other role that we've always had in past games barring ones like Lau's last one.

@Laurentus @Doc @Gerrick

I need to make a defense post to save myself , so here it goes:

1. I was never a part of D1 activity , and anyone here would agree , its the most absurd day , and everything carries a double meaning on D1.

2. My push on Lau was pretty much out of fear, that he might overpower town , and I hit him because I felt his attack on Gerrick was out of the ordinary , since Gerrick didn't do anything suspicious .

3. Vro said how influential Lau was as a scum , and I read a few things on discord which evidently suggested vote Lau out first (those were joke statements maybe , but had some basis after all)

4. Poking the inactive people by voting them is a viable option , but I didn't do that , fearing that switching votes wasn't available , however it seems that vote switch is allowed now , and so I feel I can vote a person to draw his attention when needed. And certainly , a game consisting 14 players , and finding 7 active , its really hard going this way.

5. I pushed Lau hard just because I knew I was town . Why stay on the tail of an experienced player who has good amount of trust from the other players , as a scum . There were easier targets , and given that I am truly inexperienced , it was certainly audacious to move for Lau as a scum.

6. LoS tried to prove me wrong in the last game , Mell called it trolling . Lau seemed to do the same thing , much more direct , as he included my inexperience and lack of ability to articulate my thoughts , and I did learn a thing staying in the deadchat , about these statements of underestimating to be the one that should make me push harder .

7. Had I been a scum, I wouldn't have had rooted for a Seer check , with so many already suspicious of me . I asked for seer check again when the wagon on me is the largest (today) , and I am still asking for a seer check now . Seer would have been an extra vote that I wanted to concede, had I been scum.

8. I did mention that I was tired of chasing Lau all the way , because I am not ready to take the responsibility of mislynching an experienced townie , and called out for the almost silent guys.

9. Doc told that I was imitating LoS's style of posting in large amounts , but most of it was cross questioning and clearing people , and that's not something I have done . The quantity might be around the same amount , but not the quality.

It seems no one would have had a bit of suspicion on me had I taken everything on D1 as a method to poke and nudge , and not something conclusive . I certainly am overthinking stuff lately I guess.

As to those who wanted a small , light and cute game , well my heartfelt consolation for them , and I regret for having made so many posts at such a wild rate now. Apologies for that.

Did I misunderstand the rule then? I thought since no lynch was a vote it didn't count against you. @Michi can you clarify?

Wait yeah like, I actually didn't vote yesterday so I'm actually risking an inactivity lynch by not voting yet but quite a few of the people that Doc mentioned went for a No Lynch, which shouldn't lead to an inactivity lynch

6. If you do not vote for 2 consecutive Play Time phases, you'll be automatically removed from the party. Choosing to Vote: No Lynch does not count against vote activity. (Emphasis mine)

I have interpreted this to mean that if you vote: no lynch, it's treated as if you did not vote at all.
This was a huge element of why I said we can only vote no lynch every other day, which was kind of a big part of my analysis of how our numbers will hold up. If y'all'd genuinely thought that we could no lynch every day, we'd have had much more time available and the Seer solving the game would be a given.
Frankly, tau gets a pass from me because he's made two posts and so presumably hasn't been picking over the game with a fine-tooth comb like we have, but I'd definitely have expected Anubhav to catch that and am honestly kind of weirded out that he didn't.

Spoiler

My reads lists are not ordered from most to least, this is just stream of consciousness from my reread just now.

Townleans---
Doc - feels exactly like last game.
Nyght - feels less innocent than last game. This is strangely a good thing.
Lau - aggressively town.
LoS - solvey, pushy.

Nulls---
BSR - hmm.... probably my most towny null...
Sapph
Gerrick - feels like last game. Flipped town last game... but I'm not reading them either way yet.
Eastern New England
Hydra
taulover- comes in with a meta game argument and dips again.

Scum lean---
where do I stand?
Colberius X - Lau made a good point: lotsa posts, not a lot that was memorable. Slight scum lean for this fact alone.
Anubhav Ghosh - something pinged me yesterday, but I'm not finding it on the reread. Asks for a seer read... this is always a weird move to me, idk how to interpret.

TGN I forgot about you tbh. But thinking back slight town lean/null.

I already voted.

I know, I was just making clear that we (and 6 others) have to vote this phase or we're modkilled. No withdrawing your vote, no switching to vote no lynch, it's gotta be a vote on someone or you're modkilled.

Speaking of keeping track of votes:
Vote Tracker:
Gerrick: LoS
Nyght: LoS
Lau: Anubhav
Gerrick: Anubhav
Doc: ENE

Vote Count:
LoS - Nyght (1)
Anubhav - Lau, Gerrick (2)
ENE - Doc (1)

Vote Reminders For Those Who Must Vote Or Risk Modkill
@Anubhav Ghosh @BraveSirRobin @cozmikrae @Eastern New England @Hydra @taulover

Did I misunderstand the rule then? I thought since no lynch was a vote it didn't count against you. @Michi can you clarify?

Did you vote no-lynch ? If so you are not getting modkilled , maybe . The same controversy arose in last game over me unvoting and ending the day without a vote , but it was not a modlynch issue

Yeah I voted no lynch yesterday. But Doc makes a good point, I suppose we can't just no lynch all day, every day. lol

Did I misunderstand the rule then? I thought since no lynch was a vote it didn't count against you. @Michi can you clarify?

Wait yeah like, I actually didn't vote yesterday so I'm actually risking an inactivity lynch by not voting yet but quite a few of the people that Doc mentioned went for a No Lynch, which shouldn't lead to an inactivity lynch

6. If you do not vote for 2 consecutive Play Time phases, you'll be automatically removed from the party. Choosing to Vote: No Lynch does not count against vote activity. (Emphasis mine)

I have interpreted this to mean that if you vote: no lynch, it's treated as if you did not vote at all.
This was a huge element of why I said we can only vote no lynch every other day, which was kind of a big part of my analysis of how our numbers will hold up. If y'all'd genuinely thought that we could no lynch every day, we'd have had much more time available and the Seer solving the game would be a given.
Frankly, tau gets a pass from me because he's made two posts and so presumably hasn't been picking over the game with a fine-tooth comb like we have, but I'd definitely have expected Anubhav to catch that and am honestly kind of weirded out that he didn't.

It's that it doesn't count against though, not doesn't count toward, so I interpreted that as meaning that No Lynch doesn't count as a strike against the requirements for activity-based lynch. But now that you mention it I definitely see how it could be read the opposite way. Would definitely appreciate a @Michi clarification on this.

Honestly, I didn't make out anything out fot he last 2-3 posts.  I am against no lynch votes , on any day other than D1, just wanted to clear that up.