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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

I'm trying to at least keep up with the game so if I feel like getting back into it I can hop back on the train.

What I've noticed though, Ex, since I'm basically just reading and not bothering to try to look at subtext anymore is that on the tone of your posts for today, and reaching back to the last couple days, is and has been incredibly frustrated, and while that's understandable given that I at least and probably most of town feels like we've collectively played real shit, at the same time that's probably doing a lot of damage to people's willingness to listen to your arguments, because it probably reminds them of exactly how badly it feels like we're playing (or comes across as attempts to intimidate, as with Nyght a little ways up).
At the same time, just on the basis of that tone I'm pretty much totally convinced you're town.
In contrast, Vro has seemed almost completely unruffled for most of this time, which seems kinda weird, but that confidence is probably a big contributing factor in why people have been kinda knuckling under to the narratives he's been pushing. I can't really say this is uncharacteristic, cause this is how he was behaving as town when Lau was pushing him, but at the same time town is also in a significantly worse position now than we were in the last game and that doesn't seem to faze him at all.
shit i'm basically back on the 'playing the game' wagon by doing this sort of analysis aren't i, fuck

I'll wrap up with a votecount so people (realistically, Exlight) can know for sure who to push to make a hammer happen.
Votecount:
Vroendal (3) - Exlight (vote #1), Gerrick (vote #4), Red Mones (vote #5)
Doc (1) - Doc (vote #2)
Michi (1) - Vroendal (vote #5)
Majority lynch is at 6 votes; no votes yet from Anubhav, Michi, Wintermoot, Nyght, LoS

At almost the closing moments of the game , if softing is done it might not be another roleclaim dilemma which was on BSR last time . However if one of the defender misses the soft and the scums don't , that could actually be a problem.

a reminder in case you missed it that Lau has explicitly banned any form of softing from this point on, presumably at threat of modkill

Also I subbed in at N2  , so that's when i begin it

I'm trying to at least keep up with the game so if I feel like getting back into it I can hop back on the train.

What I've noticed though, Ex, since I'm basically just reading and not bothering to try to look at subtext anymore is that on the tone of your posts for today, and reaching back to the last couple days, is and has been incredibly frustrated, and while that's understandable given that I at least and probably most of town feels like we've collectively played real shit, at the same time that's probably doing a lot of damage to people's willingness to listen to your arguments, because it probably reminds them of exactly how badly it feels like we're playing (or comes across as attempts to intimidate, as with Nyght a little ways up).
At the same time, just on the basis of that tone I'm pretty much totally convinced you're town.
In contrast, Vro has seemed almost completely unruffled for most of this time, which seems kinda weird, but that confidence is probably a big contributing factor in why people have been kinda knuckling under to the narratives he's been pushing. I can't really say this is uncharacteristic, cause this is how he was behaving as town when Lau was pushing him, but at the same time town is also in a significantly worse position now than we were in the last game and that doesn't seem to faze him at all.
shit i'm basically back on the 'playing the game' wagon by doing this sort of analysis aren't i, fuck

I'll wrap up with a votecount so people (realistically, Exlight) can know for sure who to push to make a hammer happen.
Votecount:
Vroendal (3) - Exlight (vote #1), Gerrick (vote #4), Red Mones (vote #5)
Doc (1) - Doc (vote #2)
Michi (1) - Vroendal (vote #5)
Majority lynch is at 6 votes; no votes yet from Anubhav, Michi, Wintermoot, Nyght, LoS

At almost the closing moments of the game , if softing is done it might not be another roleclaim dilemma which was on BSR last time . However if one of the defender misses the soft and the scums don't , that could actually be a problem.

a reminder in case you missed it that Lau has explicitly banned any form of softing from this point on, presumably at threat of modkill

Yeah , I saw that later , I made the post before refreshing the page .

I'm trying to at least keep up with the game so if I feel like getting back into it I can hop back on the train.

What I've noticed though, Ex, since I'm basically just reading and not bothering to try to look at subtext anymore is that on the tone of your posts for today, and reaching back to the last couple days, is and has been incredibly frustrated, and while that's understandable given that I at least and probably most of town feels like we've collectively played real shit, at the same time that's probably doing a lot of damage to people's willingness to listen to your arguments, because it probably reminds them of exactly how badly it feels like we're playing (or comes across as attempts to intimidate, as with Nyght a little ways up).
At the same time, just on the basis of that tone I'm pretty much totally convinced you're town.
In contrast, Vro has seemed almost completely unruffled for most of this time, which seems kinda weird, but that confidence is probably a big contributing factor in why people have been kinda knuckling under to the narratives he's been pushing. I can't really say this is uncharacteristic, cause this is how he was behaving as town when Lau was pushing him, but at the same time town is also in a significantly worse position now than we were in the last game and that doesn't seem to faze him at all.
shit i'm basically back on the 'playing the game' wagon by doing this sort of analysis aren't i, fuck

I'll wrap up with a votecount so people (realistically, Exlight) can know for sure who to push to make a hammer happen.
Votecount:
Vroendal (3) - Exlight (vote #1), Gerrick (vote #4), Red Mones (vote #5)
Doc (1) - Doc (vote #2)
Michi (1) - Vroendal (vote #5)
Majority lynch is at 6 votes; no votes yet from Anubhav, Michi, Wintermoot, Nyght, LoS

At almost the closing moments of the game , if softing is done it might not be another roleclaim dilemma which was on BSR last time . However if one of the defender misses the soft and the scums don't , that could actually be a problem.

a reminder in case you missed it that Lau has explicitly banned any form of softing from this point on, presumably at threat of modkill

What if Vro is the unlynchable wolf , which is why he is unruffled . Well we had some hypothetical run-ins with unlynchable wolf , maybe we are coming to it . As for ExLight , I will work with you today since my chances of uncovering a scum is bleak .

Vote: Vroendal

(Ur pinkie promise went a long way tbh , Ex)

Also I feel uneasy about Smiles . I don't know for sure , but he has been asking for opinions of the rest , it does give an interaction idea that is ongoing , but he himself never opened up to the same amount . Maybe an abstract idea , idk.

Quick breakdown of each player's votes, how suspicious they seem to me, and what links I could possibly infer from each player individually.

Breakdown

D1, Red Mones votes Hapi, then Melehan, then unvotes, then votes Ruguo. D2, he is the second to vote Ruguo. D3, he votes Gerrick. D4, he votes TGN.  D5, he ends with a vote on Gerrick. D6, he votes BSR. D7, he votes Doc, unvotes, votes him again, votes me, then unvotes.
Suspicion levels - Low, I don't think he votes Ruguo at the end of D1.
Scum links - Moot. Is either distancing or not w/w with Ruguo and Gerrick.

D1, I vote Michi, then unvote, then vote, then unvote. D2, I vote TGN, then Ruguo. D3, I vote BSR, then Sapph, then TGN. D4 I vote BSR, then Kane. D5 I vote Kane. D6, I vote Moot. D7, I vote Moot, then Wisch.
Suspicion levels - I mean, to me this looks PRETTY DARN TOWNIE and has signs all over of townie doubt and progression but ok I guess.
Scum links - For y'all to decide. I'm not w/w with anyone.

D1, Gerrick is the first to vote Michi, D2, he votes me, is near the last to vote Ruguo, D3, he votes BSR, D4, he votes Doc, unvotes, and votes TGN. D5, he votes cozmik. D6, he votes cozmik then is the last to vote BSR. D7, he votes me.
Suspicion levels - Moderate, but I don't think he tunnels cozmik like that.
Scum link - Moot.

D1, Anubhav doesn't vote. D2, he is the last to vote Ruguo. D3, he vote Sapph last then doesn't vote. D4, he is the last to vote Kane. D5, he is the second to vote Moot. D6, he leads the charge on voting Moot. D7, he votes Wischland which ties her with Doc.
Suspicion levels - High, has had interesting voting times.
Scum links - Inconclusive, possibly Doc. Not w/w with Wintermoot.

D1, Michi doesn't vote, D2, he votes Alexander/ExLight, then votes Ruguo later. D3, he doesn't vote. D4, he votes BSR. D5, he doesn't vote. (Michi you're a dead man walking, 3 days without a vote?) D6, he leads the vote on BSR. D7, he leads the vote on Wischland.
Suspicion levels - Extreme, has been lying low a whole lot, has led the votes on the last two townies.
Scum link - Moot. Not w/w with ExLight.

D1, Wintermoot votes Red. D2, he votes me. D3, he votes Sapph. D4, he votes TGN. D5, he votes Doc. D6, he votes Doc. D7, he votes Doc.
Suspicion levels - Moderate, started off voting interesting choices, went into a tunnel.
Scum links - Not w/w with Doc.

D1, Nyght votes Moot, then votes Hapi. D2, votes me. D3, votes BSR. D4, doesn't vote. D5, votes Moot. D6, doesn't vote. D7, votes me.
Suspicion levels - Moderate, has been lying low a little and has voted some town.
Scum links - Not w/w with Moot.

D1, Doc votes Hapi. D2, he votes me. D3, he votes TGN. D4, he votes TGN. D5, he votes Kane. D6, he doesn't vote. D7, he votes himself.
Suspicion levels - Low, looks like townie tunnels to me.
Scum links -

D1, Legacy's slot doesn't vote. D2, it also doesn't vote. D3, he votes Kane, then votes Sapph. D4, he votes Kane. D5, he votes Kane. D6, he votes Moot, D7, he votes Doc.
Suspicion levels - Low, tunnels on a townie with suspicious votes,
Scum links - Not w/w with Doc.

D1, ExLight's slot doesn't vote. D2, it also doesn't vote. D3, he votes TGN. D4, he votes TGN. D5, he votes me, D6, he votes BSR, then Moot, then BSR. D7, he votes me, then Doc, then me.
Suspicion levels - Moderate, but looks like townie tunnels.
Scum links -

What I'm gathering from my look-over is that especially Michi but also Anubhav have had suspicious voting patterns. A lot of players look like they could be conceivably paired up on a scum team with Moot imo. Doc isn't w/w with a lot of players imo. I think I want my counter-wagon to be Michi, but y'all can do your own analysis and form your own conclusions.

At this point, if town is smart NO ONE ELSE SHOULD VOTE ME TODAY.
We have over 24 HOURS left, chill y'all, please, give me a chance to analyze, give yourself a chance to re-analyze, take stock of your options/next steps.

Hmm, I just realized that if Nyght tunnels enough on me to lynch me then Michi hammers we're screwed, if you're town, you want to take proper stock of your options, especially now when the lynch is so important, if you're town, you unvote me here, at least for a bit/until Legacy gets back. Legacy seems pretty smart, trust him. He's not convinced on me yet.

I apologize for posting so often in a row, this is my last one tonight I promise unless someone has a question for me/I need to defend myself.

Words can be faked and tone can be faked, but one thing a wolf can never do is fake their votes. They can make them confusing, but at the end of the day reading the votes is one of the best ways to catch the wolves. Melehan was on that path at the beginning, and she died pretty quickly.

I implore you to read the votes. What I am gathering is that we likely have a Michi, Moot, and possibly Anubhav scum team, I'm not convinced yet, but that team strikes a different tone with me than the others I was thinking of.

@Gerrick, @Red Mones, if you can, try and analyze the votes and see if you really do come to the conclusion that I'm a wolf, or that Michi/Moot/Anubhav aren't. (Also you know it isn't me here because I'm super lazy, I would never spend all those hours collecting data as a wolf)

Nyght/Legacy/Doc, Wintermoot/Michi/Anubhav if you are town, please hold off just a little bit or reconsider just for a moment. I don't want all those town sacrifices to be for nothing, the wolves have played amazing congratulations to them, but town can still win this and end the game with pride.

Votes so far:

Vroendal - 4 (ExLight, Gerrick, Red Mones, Anubhav)
Doc - 1 (Doc)
Michi - 1 (Vroendal)

I think if we wagon anybody today who isn't Vro, it should be Wintermoot (or somebody else who, if they did flip red, would make Vro look much less likely to be a wolf). Otherwise assuming we didn't lynch Vro,we end up in this same situation tomorrow regardless of if we hit a wolf today or not.

Also I feel uneasy about Smiles . I don't know for sure , but he has been asking for opinions of the rest , it does give an interaction idea that is ongoing , but he himself never opened up to the same amount . Maybe an abstract idea , idk.

I think I made my opinion on Vro (which is what I asked you on) pretty obvious in the posts I've been making. As for my other posts, they were more in order to get enough information from some of the other low-posters that would otherwise be very hard to read. I think I've made my reads on most players fairly vocally on the thread but if there's things you want to ask me to clarify or talk more on, I'd love to.

Hmm, I just realized that if Nyght tunnels enough on me to lynch me then Michi hammers we're screwed, if you're town, you want to take proper stock of your options, especially now when the lynch is so important, if you're town, you unvote me here, at least for a bit/until Legacy gets back. Legacy seems pretty smart, trust him. He's not convinced on me yet.

Spoiler

Legacy is not smart

Ok but in all seriousness, even if we decide that Vro inevitably is getting lynched today, we should never cut off a player who still wants to talk for the rest of the day by hammering, ever, or you'll be kicking yourself if he flips town.

I think the inconsistencies that ExLight brought up yesterday are pretty damning but I also don't see wolf-Vro defending himself like this at all (especially not if he would have been bussed).

Brb, going to bang my head against the wall.