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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

I mean, honestly, whatever, I'm like 90% checked out of this game anyway at this point and the only reason I keep checking up on this tonight is that I didn't really want to get lynched. But I've kind of hated how badly I've played this game so far so I might as well give up and log off for the night, and the only way I'm really gonna be able to do that is checking out entirely.

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I explicitly accept the inactivity lynch.

C’mon I literally just said this isn’t about crossing arms and waiting for a lynch.

Vro, please place your vote on Doc and keep it there.

Are you asking me as an appeal to the possibly town-sided Vro, or because you want everything to fall into place and the closeness of the wagons is messing you up?

None of these.

I think you’re significantly more likely to be scum than Doc but I have how you both have been patting each other on the back without even considering the possibility of pocketing despite you both having significantly scummy behaviors.

I'm not patting him on the back at all, at least from my perspective, and I don't see where he's patting me on the back. I have no clear thoughts about his alignment, he is thoroughly a Null for me, you're lynching him partly because you think his flip will give info on me, but I have no such thoughts because he is in fact not connected to me at all. The things I can see against him is Moot's argument, and Silv's interactions with him, and I'm not quite convinced enough by those yet, I'm pondering. If you want me to switch, expound upon Moot's argument or detail a scum connection between him and Silv.

He’s been literally actively defending you saying you’re cleared because TGN flipped town and I have not seen you push him once despite you saying he’s your null.

fucked up formatting, fml

I mean, honestly, whatever, I'm like 90% checked out of this game anyway at this point and the only reason I keep checking up on this tonight is that I didn't really want to get lynched. But I've kind of hated how badly I've played this game so far so I might as well give up and log off for the night, and the only way I'm really gonna be able to do that is checking out entirely.

Unvote

I explicitly accept the inactivity lynch.

Do you even realize that if you just want to self preserve you had better odds voting Vro because I’d’ve changed my vote to him?

He’s been literally actively defending you saying you’re cleared because TGN flipped town and I have not seen you push him once despite you saying he’s your null.

Yeah, you're right that's my bad, I've been too focused on players actively pushing me and my own actual scum leans. I didn't really have a push to make because I'm still trying to ponder Moot's reasoning to either agree or disagree with it.

While this does affect me to a personal level, Doc’s frustration comes off as ambiguous and shouldn’t change my reads on them. This kind of behavior is usually unrelated to the game on a deeper level.

I’ll still want Vro’s head on a silver tray no matter what Doc flips though.

He’s been literally actively defending you saying you’re cleared because TGN flipped town and I have not seen you push him once despite you saying he’s your null.

I haven't been actively defending him. I haven't declared him cleared. All I've done is observe I think it's more likely that he's in the same boat as TGN, whatever boat that might be, on the basis of their mutual unwillingness to lynch each other when they were both the two major wagons mid-D2, because if Vro was scum, he'd have leapt onto TGN's wagon and drove that mislynch into the ground.
Don't mischaracterize the one argument I've been proud of this game just cause you think I'm sus.

Do you even realize that if you just want to self preserve you had better odds voting Vro because I’d’ve changed my vote to him?

Sure. But I think the net result of doing so is likelier to be identical to the result of self-voting than the result of voting for Wischland, which is lynching town.

Doc, please no. It's like a few hours left, with what you have left in the game try to have fun

I mean, honestly, I'm just not having fun with the game anymore. I'm beating myself up about making shitty fucking arguments and shitty fucking calls, and trying to compensate for it with a stupidly long analytical post that led me to conclude fucking nothing and realizing that if I posted it it'd just make people go 'AHA IT'S CLASSIC SCUMDOC, LOTS OF DATA AND NO INFORMATION', but not posting it also just would make people go 'AHA, CLASSIC SCUM MOVE, PROMISE INFORMATION AND NEVER DELIVER', and getting caught between a rock and a hard place is frankly never a fun time.
Look, I'm not finna make anyone guilty, I'm just not enjoying myself in this game anymore, it's not anyone else's fault but mine, and I don't wanna drag down the game just cause I feel shitty so I'd rather just let myself get ILed and call it even-stevens.

I uh
ok this is making me kinda uneasy now

Yeah I'm gonna unvote lol

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At the risk of looking like a fool, I will proceed as if Doc is town, I don't think that post is at all what a Doc in the mindset of a scum would do. I'm not hearing the scum vibes and I am hearing the town vibes, beyond that I haven't seen an argument against him that's convinced me, I'm not w/w with anyone yadda yadda yadda, I think it's Wisch based on her approach to the game. I may be wrong, but I'm not feeling the Doc lynch today.

Ex, I must ask you to consider just for a moment to the full extent you are able, what to do if I may be town, and set up for yourself a course of action to take if that is proven to be true. If I flip town your whole perception of the game flips upside-down, I know you're really tunneled right now and it's hard, but for the sake of giving the respect of listening to a fellow player, just try it for a moment. If I'm scum, there's nothing you lose, this question won't make you change your opinion of me.

He’s been literally actively defending you saying you’re cleared because TGN flipped town and I have not seen you push him once despite you saying he’s your null.

I haven't been actively defending him. I haven't declared him cleared. All I've done is observe I think it's more likely that he's in the same boat as TGN, whatever boat that might be, on the basis of their mutual unwillingness to lynch each other when they were both the two major wagons mid-D2, because if Vro was scum, he'd have leapt onto TGN's wagon and drove that mislynch into the ground.
Don't mischaracterize the one argument I've been proud of this game just cause you think I'm sus.

I already made a counterpoint to this. Vro jumped out of the wagons that resulted in mislynches in D1 and D3, I think he had the same strategy of trying to not leave his votes behind a mislynch D2 unless absolutely necessary. Even if both him and TGN were scum I feel like he wouldn’t’ve hesitated to lynch him to save himself or even Silver if it came down to it.

As for the rest of your post, I’m sorry you’ve been feeling this way. I know how annoying and frustrating it can be for people to always have other people putting on a ton of expectations on how we should play, and how it can affect out enjoyment. You’re not wrong to feel this way, and I feel like being open about it  like you’re doing right now is the best way to tell everyone your annoyance with this sort of thing.

No matter what your alignment flips I don’t think you played poorly, and I actually enjoyed playing with you despite our direct interactions being kinda scarce.

At the risk of looking like a fool, I will proceed as if Doc is town, I don't think that post is at all what a Doc in the mindset of a scum would do. I'm not hearing the scum vibes and I am hearing the town vibes, beyond that I haven't seen an argument against him that's convinced me, I'm not w/w with anyone yadda yadda yadda, I think it's Wisch based on her approach to the game. I may be wrong, but I'm not feeling the Doc lynch today.

Ex, I must ask you to consider just for a moment to the full extent you are able, what to do if I may be town, and set up for yourself a course of action to take if that is proven to be true. If I flip town your whole perception of the game flips upside-down, I know you're really tunneled right now and it's hard, but for the sake of giving the respect of listening to a fellow player, just try it for a moment. If I'm scum, there's nothing you lose, this question won't make you change your opinion of me.

Scum gets frustrated too.
I’ve thrown similar tantrum, and I’ve known quite a few players that have as well.

He’s clearly not enjoying playing the game and I don’t see why us pitying him over being frustrated will do any good since it will only result in us forcing him to keep playing something he doesn’t want to anymore. I’d rather just put him out of his misery here.

Well, guess I'm not doing any homework tonight. :/

So, let me get this straight. Vro, you're suspicious of me because I've...changed my opinion on people? Over the course of a 20 day long game with 7 (or 8, I lost count) day/night phases? During which tons of new information has been revealed about people? When you yourself have also changed your opinion plenty of times? Really not seeing how that makes me any more suspicious than anyone else. As for lying low, I'm not sure how terribly different my minimal posting was from last game. Given the rate of posts and the rapid changes in discussion topic, I don't have the time or the skill to keep up, so I do what I can with an argumentative post here and there and a vote towards the end of the day phase. I don't say much, because I genuinely don't have much to say, because people far cleverer and better at WW than I have already said it 5 pages back. I consider my job to be picking the argument I find most persuasive and voting accordingly. Maybe not the most helpful role, but it's what I can do, and it's what I enjoy.

Yeah, so, in conclusion, I feel Vro pushed a vote on me for basically arbitrary reasons, and that's only gonna lead to another mislych.

Scum gets frustrated too.
I’ve thrown similar tantrum, and I’ve known quite a few players that have as well.

He’s clearly not enjoying playing the game and I don’t see why us pitying him over being frustrated will do any good since it will only result in us forcing him to keep playing something he doesn’t want to anymore. I’d rather just put him out of his misery here.

Yes, I understand that but I don't think a scum gets frustrated from the perspective Doc is, I'm not seeing it.

He's letting himself be modkilled, from a cold and heartless strategic standpoint we should be voting someone else. I wouldn't use the word pity either, sounds nasty, I can sympathize with his standpoint.

Scum gets frustrated too.
I’ve thrown similar tantrum, and I’ve known quite a few players that have as well.

He’s clearly not enjoying playing the game and I don’t see why us pitying him over being frustrated will do any good since it will only result in us forcing him to keep playing something he doesn’t want to anymore. I’d rather just put him out of his misery here.

Yes, I understand that but I don't think a scum gets frustrated from the perspective Doc is, I'm not seeing it.

He's letting himself be modkilled, from a cold and heartless strategic standpoint we should be voting someone else. I wouldn't use the word pity either, sounds nasty, I can sympathize with his standpoint.

Well, I can. In fact, I just came from a game where most of the game throwing players that threw a fit were scum (3 outta 4 players, in a game that had 5 scum total), it’s really much more common than you think. The tantrum is NAI.

And he isn’t letting himself get modkilled, he just unvoted himself and is saying he’ll allow himself to get lynched today. There’s a massive difference.
And if for some reason he’s actually willing to get modkilled, you’re the one that becomes the next option to me.

On a review of the strategic implications of me letting someone town get mislynched and myself get modkilled by IL, that's throwing town as a whole under the bus and I don't want to do that.

Vote: Doc.