I think you're missing a few points in a TGN lynch. If they keep stealing the spotlight but never get lynched the amount of information we get in each Day Phase becomes limited or straight up abysmal. Not only that, but even if they're Town, would you rather keep someone like them that is unstable as them at -Lo, specially now that Lau established that votes can't be moved once cast then? It's begging to have them mislynched or having them mislynch someone before proper discussion.
Some players are more useful to scum as Town, and they have to be dealt with as soon as possible, usually via a cop check (but our cop died because people keep defending their ass yeet) or killing. Right now when the odds of a mislynch are extremely high, getting rid of weaker players that won't get nightkilled but give massive amount of information through interactions is way better than you'd think, specially with limited role information to be obtained.
This all of course if they really are town, which they might not even be.
Yeah, see that I don't agree with. For starters, remember that this isn't a cutthroat competitive game like ZD or MU may be, it's just a friendly more casual game for people to have fun...so lynching someone purely because their play-style is "unstable" even if they're town just doesn't sit well with me.
If you think he's scum, lynch him. If you think he's town, don't lynch him. Like, I'm on board with Minish's statement about his continued survival from two bandwagons being useful info, but I completely disagree with lynching someone purely because of their play-style not meshing.
If you're so afraid of him "stealing the spotlight" then just keep doing what you're doing in keeping the spotlight off of him and shining it on the players you believe are more worthy of the scrutiny. Considering the last game had Hapi outright memeing and being chaotic and unpredictable and it didn't hurt the town from winning, I don't personally see the harm in an "unstable" play-style.
Ok, I don’t get why you’re putting this as if it’s hypercompetitive because this really isn’t about that, and ZD isn’t competitive at all but ok (feel free to visit us wink wink). We all have a team assigned to and we’re looking for ways to win with them. Wanting stronger players to survive until -Lo is just a consequence of that, it has nothing to do with being competitive.
How is this different from a casual match of chess, where people try to have a Queen over a Knight in the endgame? Is scum not doing literally the same? They’ll aim for stronger players and try to hit our strongest roles. Both sides get to nitpick who we want to play based on who might help us win.
If someone’s plays are at best an ambiguous chaos and them flipping helps the game to progress, why wouldn’t I want their lynch in this case? Why wouldn’t
they want that WIFOM around them solved if they’re Town? Getting mislynched shouldn’t be seen as something negative like ending the fun for someone because it’s important for their team and for themselves as it gives them experience and something to reflect on how they could’ve played better; and if someone tells you otherwise they’re just Appealing to Emotion.
If you’re pitying them because they’re a newer player that’s fine, but it’s just part of the game and they’re just reaping what they sow, I feel a lot worse about someone that gets shot N1 regardless of their experience because they barely have a chance to do anything for themselves than someone lynched at D4 that was in the spotlight in the last 144h, but even so most (if not any) scum wouldn’t hold the kill. So yes, I’m not comfortable letting people play their own parallel game here in a game that is about teamwork like TGN did D2, it’s like letting a baby play with a beach ball in the middle of a soccer game but instead of a baby it’s a fully grown adult that is more than capable of understanding how they’re being disruptive.
And while they seemed to play it a bit more seriously D3 (after me constantly insisting on him making a readslist), I don’t think we have any guarantee of him intending to cooperate in a scenario like -Lo. There are many other people here that have little to no experience in Mafia but are doing a great job at playing it in a more adequate way that I’d rather have at -Lo than someone who is playing for himself rather than their team.
In any case I’m scumreading him, but I feel like the game will have trouble progressing while we don’t figure out his alignment.
And rolling scum twice in a roll isn’t that hard, and it being their first games changed literally nothing in the probability. Minish there rolled scum like four or five times in a row last year.
