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Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes
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No
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Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM


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    TGN at this point should almost be lynched to get him out of the question because I know discussion is always going to end back up on him.

    That's kind of an oof post.  Unless you legit believe that he's a Titan and want to back that up with a lynch, saying along the lines of "he should be lynched because he'll just be a continued conversation point otherwise" is kind of counterproductive.  If you believe he's townie, rather than suggesting just throwing him out you should be working on convincing people why you think he's town so that we can move on to the actual suspicious players.

    If Hapi is any indication since she's normally been town, voting someone out when they become a talking point because of their unusual play style doesn't usually work in a way that favors town...especially when it's a newer player that isn't established in their gameplay enough (which is kind of weird to see people town-clearing 1st-game players, but scum-leaning on someone in their 2nd-game even though they rolled wolf last game).
    I think you're missing a few points in a TGN lynch. If they keep stealing the spotlight but never get lynched the amount of information we get in each Day Phase becomes limited or straight up abysmal. Not only that, but even if they're Town, would you rather keep someone like them that is unstable as them at -Lo, specially now that Lau established that votes can't be moved once cast then? It's begging to have them mislynched or having them mislynch someone before proper discussion.

    Some players are more useful to scum as Town, and they have to be dealt with as soon as possible, usually via a cop check (but our cop died because people keep defending their ass yeet) or killing. Right now when the odds of a mislynch are extremely high, getting rid of weaker players that won't get nightkilled but give massive amount of information through interactions is way better than you'd think, specially with limited role information to be obtained.

    This all of course if they really are town, which they might not even be.
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  • If y'all want to vote Kane like I'm not upset about that. I originally thought he was a bit scummy, but then I saw something that made me question myself. But I could just be reading into things too much.
    I saw it too.

    What day was the day what you saw on? Or if you wanna say, what page.

    Because I'm curious if it's the same thing.
    Last page. It might be better to point out, but I don’t really wanna risk clearing someone I shouldn’t.

    Oh, yeah mine is something different from d2.
    Well, this is awkward.
    I wonder if they lead to the same thing.

    Also, what do you think of the tinfoil of TGN getting overly confident due to them possibly being the unlynchable scum? Do you think it's viable?
    It still weirds me out a lot that they were willing to even self-vote, but after a motivational talk from Silver who flipped scum they decided they're going to do everything to self-preserve. I feel like this theory kinda fills that hole.
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  • If y'all want to vote Kane like I'm not upset about that. I originally thought he was a bit scummy, but then I saw something that made me question myself. But I could just be reading into things too much.
    I saw it too.

    What day was the day what you saw on? Or if you wanna say, what page.

    Because I'm curious if it's the same thing.
    Last page. It might be better to point out, but I don’t really wanna risk clearing someone I shouldn’t.

    Oh, yeah mine is something different from d2.
    Well, this is awkward.
    I wonder if they lead to the same thing.

    Also, what do you think of the tinfoil of TGN getting overly confident due to them possibly being the unlynchable scum? Do you think it's viable?
    It still weirds me out a lot that they were willing to even self-vote, but after a motivational talk from Silver who flipped scum they decided they're going to do everything to self-preserve. I feel like this theory kinda fills that hole.

    It could lead to the same thing for different reasons yeah.


    And I dunno, I don't necessarily buy it. I think it's just how TGN is and don't think he was influenced by his role. But like, it's not impossible.
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    The TGN not being scum because he wouldn't likely get scum his first two games in a row just isn't really a good argument. I keep seeing people say that and I don't know if it's because y'all believe that rng wouldn't do that or if y'all will mess with rng to prevent stuff like that. But it is very possible. There are quite a few people on ZD who are known for having rolled scum their first three or four games. It definitely happens and isn't uncommon. I believe I rolled town my first 11 games before I finally rolled scum.

    I can't speak for how the other hosts do their player choices, but for me personally it's the latter so that people can get a chance to be a townie or power role for their second game if they're an absolutely new player to it.  Let them try the other side if they were a wolf for the first game so that they can get a little experience in the other side.

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    As for Nyght, the argument isn't that a new player wouldn't be scum. The argument is that Nyght's posts and reactions right off felt like they came from new town and not new scum. Specifically him bringing up the no lynching made me feel like he was town because it's exactly how I thought when I was town and first started playing. He feels like he's by himself to me and not working with a team.

    I'm more baffled as to why there'd even be such a distinction, since a new player wouldn't always be able to distinguish between the two and could easily make "new town" mistakes as a scum simply because they can just be overall new player mistakes in general.  Like, what actually separates a "new town" mistake versus a "new scum" mistake aside from the latter being someone that literally acts like a scum player (which even then, again in the case of Hapi's chaotic plays, that can be thrown into question as well)?

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    Also as for my post that you quoted about TGN, I do not believe him to be town. Also not sold on him being scum. The post isn't really as yikes as it seems. TGN is in PoE, and while I could go either way on him, he could be a good lynch because 1) He's been the counterwagon twice now and has survived, which is interesting and 2) He gives info on other players. I still think TGN could be scum for the possible distance coaching from Silver. But I can also see some towniness from him. I don't want every day phase to be a wagon starts on TGN, then a second wagon picks up and TGN is saved. That just puts us in the same spot over and over again.

    See, that I can be on board with...the fact that he's somehow survived multiple wagons and could provide info that way.  That's more of what I'm wanting to hear instead of just "He should maybe be lynched so people stop talking about him."

    I think you're missing a few points in a TGN lynch. If they keep stealing the spotlight but never get lynched the amount of information we get in each Day Phase becomes limited or straight up abysmal. Not only that, but even if they're Town, would you rather keep someone like them that is unstable as them at -Lo, specially now that Lau established that votes can't be moved once cast then? It's begging to have them mislynched or having them mislynch someone before proper discussion.

    Some players are more useful to scum as Town, and they have to be dealt with as soon as possible, usually via a cop check (but our cop died because people keep defending their ass yeet) or killing. Right now when the odds of a mislynch are extremely high, getting rid of weaker players that won't get nightkilled but give massive amount of information through interactions is way better than you'd think, specially with limited role information to be obtained.

    This all of course if they really are town, which they might not even be.

    Yeah, see that I don't agree with.  For starters, remember that this isn't a cutthroat competitive game like ZD or MU may be, it's just a friendly more casual game for people to have fun...so lynching someone purely because their play-style is "unstable" even if they're town just doesn't sit well with me.

    If you think he's scum, lynch him.  If you think he's town, don't lynch him.  Like, I'm on board with Minish's statement about his continued survival from two bandwagons being useful info, but I completely disagree with lynching someone purely because of their play-style not meshing.

    If you're so afraid of him "stealing the spotlight" then just keep doing what you're doing in keeping the spotlight off of him and shining it on the players you believe are more worthy of the scrutiny.  Considering the last game had Hapi outright memeing and being chaotic and unpredictable and it didn't hurt the town from winning, I don't personally see the harm in an "unstable" play-style.
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  • Planning on putting out my reads later today. Interested in knowing how strong ExLight/Minish's town tells on Kane are because that was originally planning on voting today.

    Interested where you are with everyone right now ExLight, even if just in brief.
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  • Not really vibing with a BSR lynch today. I think he's more likely town than not from how he reacted to Sapphiron softing yesterday.
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  • I think you're missing a few points in a TGN lynch. If they keep stealing the spotlight but never get lynched the amount of information we get in each Day Phase becomes limited or straight up abysmal. Not only that, but even if they're Town, would you rather keep someone like them that is unstable as them at -Lo, specially now that Lau established that votes can't be moved once cast then? It's begging to have them mislynched or having them mislynch someone before proper discussion.

    Some players are more useful to scum as Town, and they have to be dealt with as soon as possible, usually via a cop check (but our cop died because people keep defending their ass yeet) or killing. Right now when the odds of a mislynch are extremely high, getting rid of weaker players that won't get nightkilled but give massive amount of information through interactions is way better than you'd think, specially with limited role information to be obtained.

    This all of course if they really are town, which they might not even be.

    Yeah, see that I don't agree with.  For starters, remember that this isn't a cutthroat competitive game like ZD or MU may be, it's just a friendly more casual game for people to have fun...so lynching someone purely because their play-style is "unstable" even if they're town just doesn't sit well with me.

    If you think he's scum, lynch him.  If you think he's town, don't lynch him.  Like, I'm on board with Minish's statement about his continued survival from two bandwagons being useful info, but I completely disagree with lynching someone purely because of their play-style not meshing.

    If you're so afraid of him "stealing the spotlight" then just keep doing what you're doing in keeping the spotlight off of him and shining it on the players you believe are more worthy of the scrutiny.  Considering the last game had Hapi outright memeing and being chaotic and unpredictable and it didn't hurt the town from winning, I don't personally see the harm in an "unstable" play-style.

    Ok, I don’t get why you’re putting this as if it’s hypercompetitive because this really isn’t about that, and ZD isn’t competitive at all but ok (feel free to visit us wink wink). We all have a team assigned to and we’re looking for ways to win with them. Wanting stronger players to survive until -Lo is just a consequence of that, it has nothing to do with being competitive.

    How is this different from a casual match of chess, where people try to have a Queen over a Knight in the endgame? Is scum not doing literally the same? They’ll aim for stronger players and try to hit our strongest roles. Both sides get to nitpick who we want to play based on who might help us win.

    If someone’s plays are at best an ambiguous chaos and them flipping helps the game to progress, why wouldn’t I want their lynch in this case? Why wouldn’t they want that WIFOM around them solved if they’re Town? Getting mislynched shouldn’t be seen as something negative like ending the fun for someone because it’s important for their team and for themselves as it gives them experience and something to reflect on how they could’ve played better; and if someone tells you otherwise they’re just Appealing to Emotion.

    If you’re pitying them because they’re a newer player that’s fine, but it’s just part of the game and they’re just reaping what they sow, I feel a lot worse about someone that gets shot N1 regardless of their experience because they barely have a chance to do anything for themselves than someone lynched at D4 that was in the spotlight in the last 144h, but even so most (if not any) scum wouldn’t hold the kill. So yes, I’m not comfortable letting people play their own parallel game here in a game that is about teamwork like TGN did D2, it’s like letting a baby play with a beach ball in the middle of a soccer game but instead of a baby it’s a fully grown adult that is more than capable of understanding how they’re being disruptive.

    And while they seemed to play it a bit more seriously D3 (after me constantly insisting on him making a readslist), I don’t think we have any guarantee of him intending to cooperate in a scenario like -Lo. There are many other people here that have little to no experience in Mafia but are doing a great job at playing it in a more adequate way that I’d rather have at -Lo than someone who is playing for himself rather than their team.

    In any case I’m scumreading him, but I feel like the game will have trouble progressing while we don’t figure out his alignment.

    And rolling scum twice in a roll isn’t that hard, and it being their first games changed literally nothing in the probability. Minish there rolled scum like four or five times in a row last year.
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  • We are still due on Kane , even i have a FoS on him . Not sure whether the wagon should be pursued . And Sapph poem maybe hinting something , Maybe a working method could be deciphered
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  • There was a small attempt from Ruguo to distance Kane when he said that he doesn't recall a post of Kane in D1 . He did present an excuse that he doesn't remember who made a post and who didn't , but basically Kane and Ruguo cast suspicions on former player Ogun( I don't recall who subbed in for him) , and its odd someone forgets that .

    Also a late post from Sapph about Kane seemed to hold sinister meaning . I would definitely make a move for Kane , if a wagon fruitifies .
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  • Uh Kane I don’t think anybody voted for you yet? Also, 5.5 hours if I calculated correctly

    If we look at the center stage name of the day one player announcement it would leave us with Kane's name in the exact middle of the list.

    This is the reason why I find Kane suspicious.

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  • Planning on putting out my reads later today. Interested in knowing how strong ExLight/Minish's town tells on Kane are because that was originally planning on voting today.

    Interested where you are with everyone right now ExLight, even if just in brief.


    Not strong at all. That's why I said I wouldn't be upset if people vote him. But I'd be interested to see his defense.


    Also btw I fundamentally disagree with Ex that a town who is center of discussion should let themselves be lynched for info for town. You should always fight your lynch as town. You don't know the alignment of people sussing you but you do know yours so you only trust yourself.
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  • Planning on putting out my reads later today. Interested in knowing how strong ExLight/Minish's town tells on Kane are because that was originally planning on voting today.

    Interested where you are with everyone right now ExLight, even if just in brief.
    It’s not a townread, but it’s just enough to make me hesitate.

    I’ll try to make a rainbowlist later.

    Also btw I fundamentally disagree with Ex that a town who is center of discussion should let themselves be lynched for info for town. You should always fight your lynch as town. You don't know the alignment of people sussing you but you do know yours so you only trust yourself.
    If the death could shed light onto the remaining scum or townlean a bunch of players we’re on the fence then why not.

    He can defend himself for the third time today.

    Vote: TGN
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  • Planning on putting out my reads later today. Interested in knowing how strong ExLight/Minish's town tells on Kane are because that was originally planning on voting today.

    Interested where you are with everyone right now ExLight, even if just in brief.
    It’s not a townread, but it’s just enough to make me hesitate.

    I’ll try to make a rainbowlist later.

    Also btw I fundamentally disagree with Ex that a town who is center of discussion should let themselves be lynched for info for town. You should always fight your lynch as town. You don't know the alignment of people sussing you but you do know yours so you only trust yourself.
    If the death could shed light onto the remaining scum or townlean a bunch of players we’re on the fence then why not.

    He can defend himself for the third time today.

    Vote: TGN


    Because who's to say the people acting on the fence are even town. Or that your lynch would even clear anything up.


    But like yeah, voting TGN isn't bad here.
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  • Planning on putting out my reads later today. Interested in knowing how strong ExLight/Minish's town tells on Kane are because that was originally planning on voting today.

    Interested where you are with everyone right now ExLight, even if just in brief.
    It’s not a townread, but it’s just enough to make me hesitate.

    I’ll try to make a rainbowlist later.

    Also btw I fundamentally disagree with Ex that a town who is center of discussion should let themselves be lynched for info for town. You should always fight your lynch as town. You don't know the alignment of people sussing you but you do know yours so you only trust yourself.
    If the death could shed light onto the remaining scum or townlean a bunch of players we’re on the fence then why not.

    He can defend himself for the third time today.

    Vote: TGN
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    quite a pickle I am in right now
    if you can tell me with my death who would be cleared or who will be scum, I will "go out" on my own terms ONLY IF you tell me who my death would clear.
    ok?
    also idk what to say most of the time so I haven't been able to clear myself
    but I will sacrifice myself to the wall IF needed
    I’m probably on NS lol
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