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Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes
7 (87.5%)
No
1 (12.5%)

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Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM


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  • alright back to the game; again, sorry if I upset anyone

    A lot of people appear to be focusing on meta reads a good deal this game and this concerns me. Once players start becoming aware of their own meta, they can use it to enter the towncore as a wolf. Wolves can also leverage meta as an easy way to push a mislynch and look blameless after (it's fairly likely that this almost happened already with Minish almost being lynched D1 and Hapi actually being lynched).
    Meta is probably one of the most important tools in more vanillaish setups since mechanical information provided by roles is limited, tbh. People might say vote analysis is the key, but you need some mets to know if a person never busses or always votes last second to break ties as town, or any stuff like this. So in the end it boils down to the context of Meta in a way.

    Also, do you mean Michi almost being lynched? I remember people trying to throw paranoia shade on Minish but I don’t remember votes on her.
    I absolutely agree that meta is important and I use it myself (for example, my EME read is meta from their tone) but I'm just worried that people have been over-relying on it a bit. Meta is extremely useful but if a lot of our arguments are just meta and not much substance then what stops somebody from going "hey, X (townsperson) isn't acting like their last town game" and wolves getting a mislynch with zero accountability? Also the validity of a person's meta reads is really hard to tell so it's often hard to tell if the person making the reads is genuine or not.

    Just to reiterate: my point is never not to use meta, I would just support please making sure you don't forget to add in-game reasonings for reads/pushes if you can find any in addition to meta. I know it would certainly make my life easier.

    Sorry, I did mean Michi and got the two names confused in my head. Super sorry about this.
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  • Like Legacy said, it's interesting how easily BSR is gaining traction for seemingly no reason. A BSR lynch would actually give me some decent info I think. It's interesting that he's had 4 posts according to Gerrick, since he didn't vote d1 and voted Vro d2. I need to check when exactly he voted for Vro. Because if it was when Silver's wagon was taking off then that looks not good. I could see an inactive scum being pinged by his scumbuds to come in and try to help save one of them.
    At the time BSR voted, here was the vote count:
    Vroendal (3): Doc, Gerrick, BSR
    TGN (6): cozmikrae, Sapphiron, Minish, Ruguo, TGN, Vroendal
    Sapphiron (1): Melehan

    So it was at the height of the TGN wagon and before the Ruguo wagon. I think his vote at that point is NAI since it could be just to get a vote on the second largest wagon while so many are jumping on TGN's or because he really thinks Vro is scum.
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  • alright back to the game; again, sorry if I upset anyone

    A lot of people appear to be focusing on meta reads a good deal this game and this concerns me. Once players start becoming aware of their own meta, they can use it to enter the towncore as a wolf. Wolves can also leverage meta as an easy way to push a mislynch and look blameless after (it's fairly likely that this almost happened already with Minish almost being lynched D1 and Hapi actually being lynched).
    Meta is probably one of the most important tools in more vanillaish setups since mechanical information provided by roles is limited, tbh. People might say vote analysis is the key, but you need some mets to know if a person never busses or always votes last second to break ties as town, or any stuff like this. So in the end it boils down to the context of Meta in a way.

    Also, do you mean Michi almost being lynched? I remember people trying to throw paranoia shade on Minish but I don’t remember votes on her.
    I absolutely agree that meta is important and I use it myself (for example, my EME read is meta from their tone) but I'm just worried that people have been over-relying on it a bit. Meta is extremely useful but if a lot of our arguments are just meta and not much substance then what stops somebody from going "hey, X (townsperson) isn't acting like their last town game" and wolves getting a mislynch with zero accountability? Also the validity of a person's meta reads is really hard to tell so it's often hard to tell if the person making the reads is genuine or not.

    Just to reiterate: my point is never not to use meta, I would just support please making sure you don't forget to add in-game reasonings for reads/pushes if you can find any in addition to meta. I know it would certainly make my life easier.

    Sorry, I did mean Michi and got the two names confused in my head. Super sorry about this.

    This is somewhere along my own reasoning, mind you I'm not familiar with most player's meta which leaves me naturally suspicious of claims dealing with it. But it seems like a player who is aware of their own meta could easily influence the general view of them using well established patterns to deflect suspicion.

    I'm especially not fond of it as a defense. It's probably one of the most obvious things one could say.

    Now I could be wrong but I haven't seen anything from BSR defending his general lurkiness outside of his claim that his wolf meta is far more aggressive. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still catching up but I wanted to contribute before days end.

    I'm still leery of Vro as well. But his reasoning has been more based in gameplay strategy.
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  • Analysis of Ruguo's posts

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    I don't know if Silver distances this hard from BSR. Though he never did once vote him even though he said he preferred his lynch. I feel like his posts about Sapph may be more in line with distancing. It was just light suspicion that he gives himself the option to back out of by claiming he'll do an ISO that he never does. His interactions with TGN do seem a but scum coaching scum. So I guess that option is still on the table. His constant bringing up of Red seems to make Red look even townier now. His random addressing of Wisch pings me a bit, but it's very small.


    Annnnd I just went and look where Sapph's vote fell on the Ruguo wagon and it was actually the cause of the tie. Fuck I was really feeling like a BSR/Sapph contending wagons could be good for the day but that made me less certain. Unless Sapph was going with a distancing plan but he could have voted Vro there. I dunno, this BSR lynch doesn't feel great but I'm at a loss of where to go from here.
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  • Sapph is definitely experienced enough to know what his vote implied and I can really see him doing it as scum.

    I wouldn’t mind TGN/Sapph wagons uwu
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  • why is that?
    I’m probably on NS lol
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  • why is that?
    I don’t buy your LAMIST act specially with people telling us that you’re more than capable of playing seriously, which also makes me question your “derp”.

    I feel like Silver was frustrated at you not pushing people around as his scumbud and saw an opportunity to maybe bus you if people gave up on Vro, but that backfired.
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  • As for Sapph I really don’t like his tone as a whole, and I feel like Silver’s attempt of throwing shade at him feel unnatural in a distancing way. I’m going to reread the interactions now, but it’s mainly that and how I just really despise that post Sapph made that I quoted in a compilation a few pages back.
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  • Anyone know what the vote count is looking like?

    BSR gives a lot of info.

    Sapph similarly I feel would give info because I'm kinda feeling like him and BSR aren't aligned.

    TGN kinda gives some info on Doc. I really wanna feel like Doc is town but his insistance on the TGN/Vro connection after yesterday feels like it could be scum trying to setup a mislynch. Similarly he could just be tunneled.
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  • I would greatly like to hear ExLight's thoughts on Minish.
    Now that you've had interactions, are you able to analyze Minish more?

    Minish, would you perhaps be willing to make a new reads list? If we proceed in thinking that you're town, I'm curious to see where you would lead us next. I want to believe you, but it would help me if you led a charge against scum today, ya know?
    Friendly reminder that I did ask about this at one point.

    I have much reading to do. I will post later.
    Please do so sooner rather than later, your perspective helps me.

    @BraveSirRobin you are being voted, do you have any contributions you want to make?
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  • Oh right, sorry Vro I did forget about the reads list thing. Not sure if I can do a very extensive one before eod at this point but I could do a basic one of how I'm feeling at the moment if you'd like.
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  • Current D3 Vote Count -
    Ordered chronologically

    Gerrick - (Red Mones)
    BraveSirRobin - (Sapphiron, Gerrick, Vroendal)
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  • Vote: Sapph

    Why are you townreading Red again, Minish?
    I had a feeling he was townie but I couldn't really explain why so I'm kinda on the fence about him too.
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  • Town
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    Town lean
    Anubhav
    Vro
    Michi
    Kane (this one is very very light based on one thing I don't want to mention at the moment)

    Null
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    Doc (want to lean town)
    Ex (it's unfortunate he replaced in late because I get my best reads of him during d1)
    Gerrick
    BSR (could go either way, depends on other's alignments)
    TGN (really could go either way with him)

    Scum Lean
    Sapphiron
    Wischland (Due to the ease of town reads they're getting when they don't feel similar to last game, as well as Silver's odd post mentioning them.)


    The scum lean section is pretty bare, but at the moment quite a few reads depend on info about others. TGN, BSR, and Doc could end up there.

    (Note that this is all based on just how I'm feeling at the moment when I went down the player list and thought about each player, more in depth reads would rely on me rereading some things.)


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