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A full page griping about a PM feature instead of talking about the game.

I'm voting: Hapi, because it still makes literally no sense to want to sow confusion and chaos, and at this point I'm starting to think the whole "Oh, whoops, haha, I'm such a noob" thing is an act.

No its legit true but I'm about one more post like the below from just quitting so kill me off.

That's stupid. I was reading the pm chain so I responded within the pm chain. It should send to everyone in the pm chain...

Not being idiot proof doesn't make something stupid. Just pay better attention in the future.

nah it's a pretty stupid feature. i can't even see one of my own responses because it didn't save a copy to my inbox. it's counter intuitive so people are bound to make mistakes

i'd honestly just assumed it was something i missed and didn't go back to check so not realizing what they said wasn't in the open was on me lmfao

I have not once had this problem. I use the two eyes in my face to observe and the brain in my head to analyze and comprehend before making decisions instead of just rushing to do something assuming it's going to function exactly like something else I've run into.

I'm legit annoyed though. Any group chat feature anywhere on the web replies to the whole damn group if you reply within it so no it actually is stupid.

And has little to nothing to do with my ability to pay attention because I never would have clicked reply all at the top when I was reading within a pm thread. Now granted I'm mobile maybe it looks diffrent on web but having two diffrent reply options in two diffrent locations is in fact dumb.

Again, eyes and brain. Observe and analyze. If you're not sure about something, ask someone who knows.

Vote: Aragonn

Your a dick. That's the reason. Sorry not sorry.

I just want to make it clear that I am in no way saying that the PM system is perfect. It does its job, but it could use some improvement. That said, you have two pages with details that show how the system works. The first page is the inbox. The existence of a 'reply all' button should tell you everything you need to know. But in case that was not clear enough and you end up hitting 'reply' at the bottom of one of the messages, you still have the next page to figure it out. On the page where you type out your message to send it has a list of all the names of the people the message will be sent to. If there's only one name when you're sending to a group PM, you're clearly doing something wrong and should copy your message then go back to find the right thing to do which is to hit the 'reply all' button. Then you paste your message, make any additions and/or changes you want, and then hit send. The only way you could screw that up is if you weren't observing and didn't care to think about how the system might work, instead opting to assume it works like some other system.

I'm not continuing this. Please just stop talking to me.

Enough. There will be no more calling each other stupid or dicks. This is a game, and it's meant to be fun. It can already get heated without using inflammatory language.

Aragonn, your approach here was not helpful. You could have just said "yeah, this is a bit of a problem but now you know, and for future reference this is how you solve it."

To everyone calling the feature "stupid" you're not helping either. Just mention Wintermoot and ask him to have a look at it, because I'm pretty sure when I hit Reply it does actually reply to all, so this sounds like a glitch.

TL;DR: Please stop with the inflammatory nonsense and let's play Werewolf. Danke.

Please, everyone stop. When we nitpick, tit-for-tat, call each other names, it makes the game unenjoyable for everyone. Are you having fun? Because I'm really not and I doubt anyone is right now. There can be a time and place for mechanic discussion, but it's not here and now. Can we get back to the actual gameplay? Please don't get angry at me or be offended by what I say, I'm just citing my opinion. We need less infighting...

Sorry, I just get really annoyed with things like that.

Well this was interesting. I suppose i should unvote hydra. Also ship me across the bridge please, i have an effect that changes things for me and i think everyone can agree we could stand to use some information.

Wintermoot puts on his forum admin/developer hat.

I regret that this issue with PM chains has sparked such an incident in the game. SMF has always been clunky like that, and I've been working those issues out over the years. Unfortunately it's a lot of work (overhauling the topic page took around 30 hours of work), so I've had to prioritize parts of the forum that are most used, leaving areas like PMs relatively neglected. As it so happens, the Reply button in each individual message used to do that too and was changed after this issue came up in a previous Werewolf game. I will look into changing it here as well as soon as I can.

Not being idiot proof doesn't make something stupid. Just pay better attention in the future.

I have not once had this problem. I use the two eyes in my face to observe and the brain in my head to analyze and comprehend before making decisions instead of just rushing to do something assuming it's going to function exactly like something else I've run into.

Again, eyes and brain. Observe and analyze. If you're not sure about something, ask someone who knows.

I just want to make it clear that I am in no way saying that the PM system is perfect. It does its job, but it could use some improvement. That said, you have two pages with details that show how the system works. The first page is the inbox. The existence of a 'reply all' button should tell you everything you need to know. But in case that was not clear enough and you end up hitting 'reply' at the bottom of one of the messages, you still have the next page to figure it out. On the page where you type out your message to send it has a list of all the names of the people the message will be sent to. If there's only one name when you're sending to a group PM, you're clearly doing something wrong and should copy your message then go back to find the right thing to do which is to hit the 'reply all' button. Then you paste your message, make any additions and/or changes you want, and then hit send. The only way you could screw that up is if you weren't observing and didn't care to think about how the system might work, instead opting to assume it works like some other system.

I think you should take some time and reflect on how condescending that comes off as. It's embarrassing enough for someone to have to admit that they've made a mistake without someone all but calling them an idiot for it. I know that this is a game that gets aggressive sometimes, but this is really out of line, and I expect better from someone who has been around for so long, especially toward someone who is still relatively new to the community. This is a situation where it would do well to remember the Golden Rule.

I made a thing. Please read it. It's about the general conduct we should expect, and also lists who you can report issues to.

https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=6560

I do recommend all players please read Laurentus' topic.  Despite the nature of this game, it's meant to be a fun time for everyone involved, and instances like this aren't fun for anyone.

In the end, we have to remember this game is going to push us emotionally, but that doesn't mean that we need to start attacking each other.  We're all here to have fun as friends and play a competitive game.  Please just think about what you say before you say it: if you're writing a post that is personally grilling a player and throwing names or potential insults, please think twice and redo your post.  If you feel like a player is doing this to you and making you uncomfortable, don't retaliate.  Get with someone in the chain of command listed in Laurentus' thread (either the host, myself/the current thane, the jarl, or Wintermoot if it's really bad), and we'll get it taken care of.

But despite us hurling accusations, let's try to remain at least a bit friendly with the other players and keep the personal digs to getting them to confess being a wolf/turret without flaming them to make your point.

Off that note, let's get back to finding us some turrets shall we?

@Wintermoot if my calling the PM system stupid at all made you feel like your work was unappreciated. I assumed that it was a feature of the message board system and not something that would relate to your work on the forums at all. I apologize for my choice of words.

I know you put a lot of work into this thing. That is all.


I've quit the game so I'll take my leave now just wanted to get that out somewhere have fun everyone. GL cores!! 

A lot happened last night. To the point where I didn't want to come back to my own thread. Let's all treat eachother better, yeah? So thank you Lau for putting together a code of conduct. The next time I see behaviour of the like in my thread, I will consider kicking people from the game. This is supposed to be fun, not a personal attack on anyone.

In light of these events, would an extension for the day phase be useful to anyone while we get back on track?

Vote Count to bring us all back to speed:

Push the Button: 1

Hydra: 4 (Vroendal, Lil g, Excalibur, Arenado)
Red Mones: 2 (Weissreich, Doc)
Excalibur: 1 (Gerrick)

Bridge:
Mones: 1
Doc: 2
Wintermoot: 2
Gerrick: 1

Hapi has chosen to be modkilled at the end of day. Please respect that choice and don't try to drag them back. As such, all votes for Hapi have been discarded.

@Gerrick I admit I have been quite suspicious of Excalibur since the beginning. However, I'm still not convinced that Hydra isn't a turret. I feel strongly about both of them to the extent that I say we should lynch one, and that the possible core killing role should nab the other, especially if one should inexplicably turn out to be core. However, before that happens I want to hear more from both of them. If this is a bad play, please explain why it is to me, I am aware that my inexperience may make me commit bad choices.

I feel like the most important thing with regards to Hydra is trying to figure out whether Pengu's clue is counted as "flavor".

Also, it has been brought to my attention that maybe I should have added a disclaimer. So here it is. Any similarities between flavour and players is pure coincidence and should be treated as such.

I don't know why else Ruguo would point this out after the accusations against Hydra other than that that's what they're referencing.

Unvote: Lynch Hydra as that was the foundation of my suspicion against him.

Barnes and Excalibur, however, just became much more suspicious in my eyes for voting for Hydra after being given that disclaimer.

Vote: Lynch Excalibur because of that^, but also reading through his posts, he's not giving great reasons for his votes and seems like he's generally trying to not rock the boat.

Vote: Send Myself to Bridge because I wanna see what this is all about.

Also, I just wanted to note that I never got a message from Hapi in the group PM... Did they forget to hit "Reply All" or something? So I didn't see that role claim they apparently made and so not really sure what it's all about. Hard to be convinced when I didn't see it firsthand, so my suspicion of them has not decreased.

I find it curious how people are being suspicious of me. I've pretty much tried to help the town through all my actions, and have been attempting to scumread others. I'm new to the game, that's true, and so I've also been a bit quiet as well. I can see how all of these things can contribute to my suspiciousness.

However, I'll give you a clue as to what I am. Part of the reason ExLight didn't die that first night is because of me.

In light of these events, would an extension for the day phase be useful to anyone while we get back on track?

I think having so much time to simmer in between rounds is causing some of the issues.

I know that the personality-moderation is separate from the game, but I also worry that it's going to give off a false impression that people are town because "you're keeping the peace, so you have to be the good guys!"

Players who Voted: 16
ExLight: 2 (Fiji, Daw)
Red Mones: 2 (Minish, Funnier)
Barnes: 1 (Doc)
Hapi: 3 (Gerrick, Excalibur, Batma n)
Katie/Batma n: 4 (Pengu, ExLight, Aragonn, Hapi)
Doc: 1 (Barnes)
Wintermoot: 1 (Madeline Norfolk)
Sapphiron: 1 (Laurentus)
El Fiji Grande: (Wintermoot)
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I find it curious how people are being suspicious of me. I've pretty much tried to help the town through all my actions, and have been attempting to scumread others. I'm new to the game, that's true, and so I've also been a bit quiet as well. I can see how all of these things can contribute to my suspiciousness.

However, I'll give you a clue as to what I am. Part of the reason ExLight didn't die that first night is because of me

That's a bit of a bold claim, interesting. You have reminded me however to go and look back at the D1 votes. I don't want to believe that all the votes against the cores we know of now were also cores. Surely some turrets joined the wagon. Of those who voted Batma n, and ExLight were definitely cores, Hapi was probably a core, and if we still believe Pengu, you can surely understand, Aragonn, that we might be sus of you.

Excalibur, you, Gerrick, and Batma n all voted Hapi. Batma n was a core, and you're claiming an interesting role. People are town-reading Gerrick, but based on all this one of you surely must be a turret, even if Hapi was being suspicious.

So we have Aragonn, Gerrick, Excalibur with his bold claim, and possibly Pengu, though I'm quite inclined to belive that he is core.

I also find the Barnes vs Doc interesting as well. Not sure what that means, but I'm inclined to believe based on both of your interactions that you might not both be on the same side.