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[What do you want from the Constitutional Convention?]

What do you want from the Constitutional Convention?

An Open Assembly, as per the current proposal.

9 (31%)

An Open Assembly, as per the amendments listed in this thread/any others suggested.

11 (37.9%)

A Bicameral Assembly, as per a post I will make in this thread.

3 (10.3%)

No change from the current Underhusen/Overhusen system.

6 (20.7%)

Other (please comment with details)

0 (0%)

No preference.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 21

The only way security can be addressed is through a joint venture between the Monarch and the Department of Defence. But I'm not sure whether that would be addressed internally or as part of the amendment. I think at this point, the reason for citizens wanting prerequisites for joining the Storting lies above complex security measures.

I'm still of the opinion that security measures aren't really necessary. It's very unlikely that Wintreath would come under any attempt to influence it due to the fact that it's a UCR, has a vibrant community, and has a legislature with little to no authority on gameplay and foreign affairs issues. And to be honest, I don't think Wintreath is on anyone's radar except for the occasional outside rant about us 'hoarding' Govindia.

Luckily I haven't heard any of those rants. And I suppose it is a bit odd considering that we're not on any radars, considering we could potentially gain a lot more clout in the NS community considering how large we are, but I suppose our defender/noninterventionist military have something to do with that, and in some ways that's a good thing.
But that's neither here nor there

I'm still of the opinion that security measures aren't really necessary. It's very unlikely that Wintreath would come under any attempt to influence it due to the fact that it's a UCR, has a vibrant community, and has a legislature with little to no authority on gameplay and foreign affairs issues. And to be honest, I don't think Wintreath is on anyone's radar except for the occasional outside rant about us 'hoarding' Govindia.

Eh, just reflecting the issues I've heard/seen/had raised with the Act as it stands. If there's something we can do to make the region more secure, surely it should be done? I mean, you hold founder status still, so it's not like we're really at threat at all, but more safety isn't a bad thing :p

I don't think a small post requirement makes the region more secure, if only because of the skill shown by foreign intelligence offices. For example, The New Inquisition was able to plant a spy in the FRA and keep him there over five years, during which time he rose to prominent ranks such as Minister of Intelligence (ironically enough), and even Arch-Chancellor. I don't think any post requirement would stop that sort of effort. But as I said, I don't think we would be the target of such an effort, because we're not a prominent R/D region and there's simply no way for a foreign agent to produce the sorts of changes they would want even if they were to make the effort.

However, an activity requirement will at least require that people be involved in the community, which I think would have other benefits besides security. A monthly activity requirement would probably be even better, but some might think that goes a little too far.

Let's take a look at a few of our laws:

1. The Winter Nomad shall be regarded as the Founder of Wintreath, and shall hold root administrator status on all official off-site Wintreath properties.

2. The Winter Nomad shall have the sole authority to appoint subordinate administrative officials on any official Wintreath property, and invest in them any administrative powers as he or she believes is necessary.

3. The Winter Nomad shall hold this position until he or she resigns from it. Upon resignation, The Winter Nomad shall have the authority to appoint his or her own successor, and shall hand the root administrator accounts for all Wintreath properties to the successor upon them taking possession of The Winter Nomad,  unless the root administrator is tied to a personal account used outside of NationStates.

4. The Winter Nomad and all subordinate administrative officials shall be responsible for protecting Wintreath properties from any content which is illegal, violates the terms of service of the provider of the Wintreath property, or otherwise brings harm to the region or community. Actions taken under this responsibility shall supersede the Declaration of Rights.

5. The Winter Nomad and all subordinate administrative officials shall also be responsible for the maintenance, organization, security, and technological development of all official Wintreath properties. No government official shall be empowered to make decisions in any of these areas.

7.1 Understanding that the majority of the defence of our region falls in the hands of the Monarch, this Act allows the Monarch to, with evidence, impeach any citizen of Wintreath with due suspicion of wrong-doing.
7.2 The Monarch has the right to supercede [note: potential spelling error?] the court process in extenuating circumstances such as war or invasion.

Wintermoot is currently both our founder and Monarch, which means that as long as he remains with us, we should be safe. The Storting doesn't have executive power anyway, and can't do much.  While it is theoretically possible for Wintermoot to appoint an untrustworthy successor, a small activity/post requirement wouldn't help with such an issue anyway. (Not to mention that, as some people have pointed out, Wintreath is unlikely to survive in its current form without Wintermoot.)

ACTUALLY the Storting has a hell of a lot of power in theory. It just doesn't use it. This is because of the Necessary and Proper clause in Article I, Section 10. This theoretically allows the Storting to assume power over executive authorities, and certain executive authorities have been granted to the Monarch, such as Citizenship.

However the theoretical abilities of the Storting under the necessary and proper clause would likely never be used, because of the fact that no one here is crazy enough to try to do that (well that can be elected to the Underhusen) and the Overhusen wouldn't let that occur. (The only way this would be possible is with a Storting with a super-majority that is purposefully acting that was, and overrides the Overhusen a lot...which would lead to a bit of a mess..)

ACTUALLY the Storting has a hell of a lot of power in theory. It just doesn't use it. This is because of the Necessary and Proper clause in Article I, Section 10. This theoretically allows the Storting to assume power over executive authorities, and certain executive authorities have been granted to the Monarch, such as Citizenship.

However the theoretical abilities of the Storting under the necessary and proper clause would likely never be used, because of the fact that no one here is crazy enough to try to do that (well that can be elected to the Underhusen) and the Overhusen wouldn't let that occur. (The only way this would be possible is with a Storting with a super-majority that is purposefully acting that was, and overrides the Overhusen a lot...which would lead to a bit of a mess..)

Yes, but also in theory, the Winter Nomad can also revoke suffrage/citizenship for Storting members he/she deems a threat to the region. So in practice, if the Storting were to exercise that power, they would still be kept in check by the founder.

Yes, HOWEVER I have serious doubts that Wintermoot would ever do that, even in the case of a 'rouge Underhusen' as Wintermoot does seem to prefer doing things according to the laws of the region, and not to use his power.

In which case, I'm surprised the security issue was raised in the first place. As that's very obviously dealt with, what do people suggest on any of the other points I've collated? Any ideas for how to improve things? If you're going to poke holes in something, please at least try to provide an alternative suggestion or a way of rectifying said holes poked in things.

Also, Chanku - it's rogue. Rouge is a colour and a type of make-up thing, I believe.



In addition - if you voted "Bicameral Legislature as per a post I will make in this thread", and didn't make a post in this thread, congratulations. Excellent work as always :p

Also, Chanku - it's rogue. Rouge is a colour and a type of make-up thing, I believe.

In which case, I'm surprised the security issue was raised in the first place. As that's very obviously dealt with, what do people suggest on any of the other points I've collated? Any ideas for how to improve things? If you're going to poke holes in something, please at least try to provide an alternative suggestion or a way of rectifying said holes poked in things.

Also, Chanku - it's rogue. Rouge is a colour and a type of make-up thing, I believe.



In addition - if you voted "Bicameral Legislature as per a post I will make in this thread", and didn't make a post in this thread, congratulations. Excellent work as always :p

The sarcasm is strong in this one...

Yes, HOWEVER I have serious doubts that Wintermoot would ever do that, even in the case of a 'rouge Underhusen' as Wintermoot does seem to prefer doing things according to the laws of the region, and not to use his power.

Source? We have seen Wintermoot use his executive powers several times before when necessary, so I am not sure where this doubt stems from.

I was responding to his usage of his powers to strip someone of citizenship without them failing to meet the requirements or through a court case/storting revocation. Only one person has ever had that occur to them before...

Is that not enough to show Wintermoot's willingness to safeguard the interests of the region?