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  • It's not really making up excuses....I mean if I go into the WHR channel, then I will have to remove gov from my ignore list at some point. Further there will be times when I can't be on top of it, and I should at least be kept in the loop.

    Besides my most active time is when I'm in the UH :P That can't really be denied.
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  • It's not really making up excuses....I mean if I go into the WHR channel, then I will have to remove gov from my ignore list at some point. Further there will be times when I can't be on top of it, and I should at least be kept in the loop.

    Besides my most active time is when I'm in the UH :P That can't really be denied.

    It's not an excuse? It's the damned definition of one; running and managing a department is a huge responsibility in any region. If you can't handle it, you should resign for the benefit of everybody involved before trying to gain another position.
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  • It's not really making up excuses....I mean if I go into the WHR channel, then I will have to remove gov from my ignore list at some point. Further there will be times when I can't be on top of it, and I should at least be kept in the loop.

    Besides my most active time is when I'm in the UH :P That can't really be denied.

    It's not an excuse? It's the damned definition of one; running and managing a department is a huge responsibility in any region. If you can't handle it, you should resign for the benefit of everybody involved before trying to gain another position.

    "I can't do my job well because I can't ignore someone I don't like."

    Yes, that is definitely the definition of an excuse.  That'd be like if I called my job continuously and said "I can't come in today because one of the other associates pisses me off."

    It wouldn't fly, and I'd more than definitely get fired.  Granted, I'd get a talk first, and the coworker would as well, but then I'd be told that I'd either have to work and deal with the coworker, or leave.  That's what being professional is about.

    If you're avoiding keeping up on your duties and being in IRC simply because you can't ignore Gov, it's an excuse.  You have the choice to be civil, as does he, and you're in the position here.  If he becomes too much of a problem (by chat definition, not by individual), then that problem will be dealt with.

    But avoiding your duties simply for that reason is a monumental excuse and wholly unprofessional, and again that worries me that behaviors like that will or already do translate into your other duties. 
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  • I said I wasn't just making up excuses (which implies that I just made it up on the spot...). I do know it's an excuse though :P

    Edit:
    Also I'll just say this. I have tried in the past to allow us to communicate, when necessary, without me having to unignore him. However he refused to accept it, even when I got Wintermoot to say that it's okay.  This only applied to military matters and everything else would not apply to this...
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    See you later space cowboy.
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  • But again then, that begs the question for all of us, the voters: Is that going to be your Underhusen term as well?  Not being an integral part of the team because of excuses?

    And if by a twist of fate both you and Gov get into office, are you simply going to drop out of being active in the UH period because you can't ignore him?
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  • But again then, that begs the question for all of us, the voters: Is that going to be your Underhusen term as well?  Not being an integral part of the team because of excuses?
    I don't believe that has been a big issue in the past, at least from my point of view.
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    And if by a twist of fate both you and Gov get into office, are you simply going to drop out of being active in the UH period because you can't ignore him?
    I can, at the very least, deal with him over the forums as I can step back, take a breath, and slowly respond where on the IRC I can not.
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  • I've heard all I've needed to hear.  Thank you for answering my questions.
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  • I've heard all I've needed to hear.  Thank you for answering my questions.
    I hope I have quelled any issues that you might have had with me, and I hope that you will vote Chanku for Underhusen, however if you do not that is your choice and I do understand.
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  • Aside from the fact that the question itself is still somewhat of a loaded question (and I will state right here, right now, that my answer of this question does not assume any guilt of any action implied by the original question), I will try my best to respect most people in the region. While I recognize that I can be hard to work with at times, I do try to be a bit calmer towards new people than I am towards the veterans. I think of myself as something like Linus Torvalds when it comes to this. I can be aggressive and...difficult towards people, but keep in mind that I'm only human.
     
    However I am of the belief that respect is earned in part, and I will grant respect towards people at first, however if they repeatedly attack people, fail to respect promises, and consistently act in a hypocritical manner along with demanding my respect, then I reserve the right to revoke my respect from them. This session, if I am elected, I will also try to take a step back and not be as involved in the Underhusen as I have been in the past.
     
    I believe this answers the question and I will state that I will try not to respond to any provocations by Govindia as much as I can, and I will try to avoid provoking him, and will not provoke him purposefully. However I am human, and I have my faults like anyone else. I hope that you all can look past them this election, however I would understand if you can not. With this I feel as if I have adequately answered the question.

    (Thanks to Emoticonius for helping with formatting and proof-reading.)

    As @Gabriel (Pengu) suggested, I had been a bit busy, but I have taken the time to collect and calm my thoughts into this statement in response to Chanku above:

    Respect is not earned, it is given.  Each person here is a human being, and regardless of stature here, from newest Immigrant to our region up to the Monarch, everyone here is a human.  Each person must be treated with respect at all times.  You do not cherry pick who you respect and do not respect when it comes to showing basic civility.  This is what means by showing respect to everyone.  It is a measure of basic civility as a human being. You do not have to like someone to respect them as a person, and if you're in this region, you are expected to respect everyone, period, regardless of the reputation they may have.  If you want respect, you give respect to others first.  Do unto others as would be done unto yourself.  The Golden Rule. 

    The response that Chanku gave is very disappointing at best.  He never directly mentions that he will show respect to everyone, including myself, and he hides behind his faults, whilst acknowledging them but never admitting blame for his actions nor making an apology. 

    Much of this dispute is centred primarily on the fact that while I wish to move forward and work with everyone, Chanku still repeatedly attacks me at various times, and takes potshots.  Just the other day in the IRC chat, he attacked me, my unemployment status, and attacked my relations with my RL family before Wintermoot warned him.  A while ago, when he was recalled, he promised the region that he learned from his mistakes and that he would respect everyone.  However, he regards me as less of a person and his actions have shown that.  He even refuses to do his job as Jarl and appear in the channel during military operations because he does not wish to deal with me professionally.

    In the professional world, you have to deal with everyone in a civil manner, like them or not, and you have to respect them

    Chanku's statement is whitewash at best, and unacceptable.  I had hoped he would show a level of maturity, but I am deeply disappointed in his response.

    That is all I will say, as best a civil statement as I can.
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  • Civility also isn't the same as respect.
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  • Civility also isn't the same as respect.
    Basic civility is basic respect.  it means to treat them properly as a human being.  there is a difference between respecting someone as a person versus respecting their reputation.

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  • You misunderstand.

    I can hate someone to their very core to where I could imagine 5000 ways I'd punch them either in the nuts or in their throat.

    But that doesn't mean I can't pass by them and wear a fake smile and still wish them a good day even if I don't mean it.

    It's called acting...or being civil in a professional sense.
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  • You misunderstand.

    I can hate someone to their very core to where I could imagine 5000 ways I'd punch them either in the nuts or in their throat.

    But that doesn't mean I can't pass by them and wear a fake smile and still wish them a good day even if I don't mean it.

    It's called acting...or being civil in a professional sense.
    that's still being respectful to them as a person.

    you do not have to like someone to respect them.

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