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  • Yikes! That sounds like on par with most retail experiences...I'm glad you're getting away with that. I think a big problem is that most managers themselves aren't really trained on how to be managers...if they get any at all, it isn't enough to make a big difference. I've read a lot a lot of material on leadership, business culture, and management, and I wouldn't say I'm great at it...but I'm sure I've seen more on it than most retail managers. Plus it's a stressful workplace and managers will have a tendency to say anything just to keep things going.

    It's been shown that employees are more motivated by appreciation and encouragement than by raises and benefits, and the books I've read make sure to point out that appreciation doesn't cost the company anything. Where it goes off the rails is that a lot of times people use appreciation cheaply and shallowly. There used to be someone in leadership where I work that would go around telling people 'Thank you for doing that', without usually even knowing what they were doing or why it's important. And it feels cheap and patronizing...so I try to make sure when I give praise and appreciation, it's really for things that deserve it. Though sometimes I get accused of the exact opposite...that I don't give enough appreciation and recognition, so... :P
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  • Yikes! That sounds like on par with most retail experiences...I'm glad you're getting away with that. I think a big problem is that most managers themselves aren't really trained on how to be managers...if they get any at all, it isn't enough to make a big difference. I've read a lot a lot of material on leadership, business culture, and management, and I wouldn't say I'm great at it...but I'm sure I've seen more on it than most retail managers. Plus it's a stressful workplace and managers will have a tendency to say anything just to keep things going.

    It's been shown that employees are more motivated by appreciation and encouragement than by raises and benefits, and the books I've read make sure to point out that appreciation doesn't cost the company anything. Where it goes off the rails is that a lot of times people use appreciation cheaply and shallowly. There used to be someone in leadership where I work that would go around telling people 'Thank you for doing that', without usually even knowing what they were doing or why it's important. And it feels cheap and patronizing...so I try to make sure when I give praise and appreciation, it's really for things that deserve it. Though sometimes I get accused of the exact opposite...that I don't give enough appreciation and recognition, so... :P

    Actually, Walmart specifically has something called the Academy, where all members of management (salaried and otherwise) are sent at various points in time to get continuously trained how to be a good and effective leader.  But you have to remember that promotions for the wrong people are basically reasons to have power/ego trips...and Walmart for some reason just loves to promote the wrong people.  They won't care if method A is more effective, because they're the ones that can give out orders, so they'll do it their way...and only compromise if and only when a higher member of management tells them otherwise...because they're also likely schmoozers that kissed a lot of ass to get to that position.  But once that higher manager leaves, it's back to the old way.

    That's why Regional/Market walks were always a nightmare. You'd see all of the managers go into panic mode and suddenly follow One Best Way (Home Office's set of codes to run the store effectively) to a T when they were barely following it before.  And because they know they have to completely alter their methods, they go into almost full attack mode on associates to get things done.  But once the walk is over, they go back to running things their way.

    And that's really the thing.  As I said, words of appreciation are more tossed around to give the illusion of value because there's an understanding that "If they hear it, they'll fall in line better."  But when you hear it on the constant, yet the same person saying it completely contradicts those words by their actions...then it becomes simply a shallow and cheap device, as you said.

    When I mentioned those things earlier, those are when I really felt appreciated.  When my DMs when I was in electronics sat with me and made sure I was okay after both when I heard my grandma was in the hospital and after I learned she passed (because I was a mess both times)...that was when I felt like I was actually appreciated, because they genuinely cared and worried about me.  It wasn't just sitting there and giving me the talk of "If you need to leave early, you can."  They sat there, asked about what she was like, gave me hugs (the female DM was actually close to crying with me), and it was moments like that where I don't entirely regret the fact that I worked there.

    But that was usually it.  I never had issues with the hourly managers (minus a select few including my most recent DMs).  Aside from Shelly, it was always Salaried management that gave me the most grief because of their double-speak, their condescending attitudes, and their non-hesitation to criticize or berate right in front of customers.
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  • Holy shit, you couldn't pay me enough to deal with that bullshit. I hope things get better for you. And fuck the people that treat retail workers like crap.

    Oh things will.  My new job starts in February.  I'm just waiting now for the okay to apply for my Z Visa, and then I'm good to go.

    And in the meantime, I've got the month off to relax and prepare.
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  • Interestingly enough, I happened to run into the article about the 10 traits Google found that made for the best managers: https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/google-says-best-bosses-in-world-do-these-10-things.html?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email&utm_placement=etcetera

    In any case, the good news is that those days are behind you, and hopefully you have better things ahead in your future. :)
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  • No matter what, I do.  I have my degree, so even if for some reason this job didn't work out I still have more job opportunities available to me.  But if everything works out, I'm going to get the chance to experience a new culture, work my dream job, and overall it'll be a new and wonderful experience that I look forward to.

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  • There's this kid I started coaching with chess when he was just starting out high school 5 years ago. I haven't had the time to coach anyone in a very long time, but as luck would have it, I played against him recently at a family gathering, where he promptly destroyed me. With my own tricks, no less! Granted, I am not at my best, because it has also been a very long time since I have played chess, but the way he was playing, I think he might have beaten me even if I were at my best. Oddly, I don't feel resentment. I do feel a bit sad that I don't have the time to play anymore, but most of all, I feel incredibly proud to have helped shape such an amazing player. My coaches always had the philosophy that if I didn't end up becoming better than them, they were doing it wrong. I always wondered how they could say that, but now I know. I don't think I have ever really felt this way before.
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  • "For the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: 'If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?' And whenever the answer has been 'No' for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something." - Steve Jobs

    I've given myself until March 2nd to build a new life, even if it means outright abandoning the one I have, living in my car, and surviving on whatever money I have for a time. But preferably this means a new job located in a new area where I can have a home that doesn't make me utterly miserable. I hope it comes with the ability to focus on all the great things that might be coming in the future, instead of being forced to dwell on all the past and present stress that comes from living here. This is 57 days away, and I'm going to try to work toward this goal every day.

    I just want to have a life where I can be my best self, not one where I'm always stressed, upset, worried, and just plain miserable. I just can't...live that life anymore.
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  • "For the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: 'If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?' And whenever the answer has been 'No' for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something." - Steve Jobs

    I've given myself until March 2nd to build a new life, even if it means outright abandoning the one I have, living in my car, and surviving on whatever money I have for a time. But preferably this means a new job located in a new area where I can have a home that doesn't make me utterly miserable. I hope it comes with the ability to focus on all the great things that might be coming in the future, instead of being forced to dwell on all the past and present stress that comes from living here. This is 57 days away, and I'm going to try to work toward this goal every day.

    I just want to have a life where I can be my best self, not one where I'm always stressed, upset, worried, and just plain miserable. I just can't...live that life anymore.

    I hope you find what you are looking for, Moot. Best of luck to you.
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  • Thanks, @North. I really appreciate it.

    Yesterday I shared my ideas with my mom, who lives with me, and she was supportive...not really surprising, given that she's been more miserable living here than I have been. I've already refreshed my resume, gotten in contact with recruiters, and signed up on ZipRecruiter (an awesome suggestion from @Katie). Now it's just taking it day by day and working toward that goal. As it so happens, I read a very convincing article from Scott Young today, where he suggests that the key to success is the ability to have stamina and persevere without giving up. If our experience with Wintreath shows anything, perhaps he is correct. :P

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  • Maybe its relevant maybe it's not, but I'd rather be happy with the ability to laugh and dance and play and smile than be wealthy and miserable in a place I cannot stand. Go and do what makes u happy and be somewhere you can still smile
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  • So I just got the OK to go apply for my Z Visa starting today.  Gah, I'm so excited...this is it! Once I apply and have that Visa in my hand, it's goodbye to my old life, and hello to a new life and new career.

    I can't believe I'm here at this point of my life.  I was worried that I was going to be stuck in this rut forever, stuck in a job I absolutely hated and still living in the state that I was born and raised in...feeling miserable and pathetic because all I do is sit at home and play video games and feel sorry for myself because my life has no meaning nor purpose.  Deep down as I mentioned, despite being good at my job I always hated selling people things  they didn't need...it always felt ran counter to what I always wanted in life.

    And now I'm getting the chance to completely rectify that.  Now I can experience a new place, a new culture.  I can make new friends, and be in a career that actually gives me purpose and meaning.  If I want, I can start over and wipe the slate clean, shedding my old life and giving it another try.

    I'm really excited, and also nervous.  I never thought I'd be at this part...never thought I'd get this chance, and here I am really close to the starting line.
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  • So I applied for my Z Visa yesterday, and I get to pick it up on Thursday.
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