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    I would say most Americans are far removed from things like the horrors of war, especially those that aren't in the military or have friends or family in it. To them, at best it's something they see a few relatively tame scenes of on the evening news or something that gets mentioned on their news feed...at worst, it's just statistics. The number of people killed, the financial cost, the potential return on investment, so to speak. It's true that America as a country greatly profits off of war, but that's limited to the ruling class and the "defense" industry than the average American.

    Hell, how many Americans can even point to Iraq, Afghanistan, or North Korea on a map?

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, the core problem is that at some point a few decades ago, it was decided that education curriculum should focus more on math and science and less on social studies, not apparently realizing the importance of social studies, which includes studies of geography, different cultures, history, civics, and more. So you have generations of Americans who for the most part have no clue about their own history, how other people live, or how to be responsible and objectives Citizens.

    Sadly, most Americans get that education from Facebook, Twitter, and whatever news source most validates their ideological worldview. And that's where we kinda are today.

    Edit: North Korea is 1984, America is Brave New World. :P
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  • Comparing uneducated workers and farmers living under a totalitarian dictatorship with no access to the outside world to first world Americans with the entire human civilization at their finger tips via the internet and enjoying a (relatively) free democratic society for granted isnt a sound argument.

    And who are you comparing Americans to when you say they have a tenuous grasp on reality, exactly?
    North Korea just launched an ICBM over Japan.. I don't support massive retaliation or any such thing, but I can understand if people are angry and irrational about it. This was a warning shot fired at the heart of the possibility of peace.. Pyongyang is playing a dangerous game.
    North Korea playing its typical game of flamebaiting doesn't justify having the desire to murder millions. Nothing justifies having the desire to murder millions.

    And also, I don't understand what you're trying to ask.
    There is no reality, not really, only what we percieve reality to be. Since we will never have a full grasp of all the facts, having a full grasp of reality is impossible, we can only see what we percieve reality to be.

    And speaking as a guy living in Asia, I would not worry about North Korea. He can sabre rattle all he wants, ultimately he will never pull the trigger. He knows as well as we do that if he launches an attack he will be steamrolled pretty quickly and China will stand by and watch as it happens. All the damage he can do to South Korea and maybe Guam wont win him a war and he knows it.
    There is an objective, imperial reality; Water is wet, there are clouds when it rains, bears have fur. There are certain aspects of reality which are up for debate, but I'm talking about imperial reality.

    Americans don't understand death. Americans don't understand war. Those two combined is a deadly combination that has resulted in the deaths of countless Iraqi innocents. That's the type of stuff I'm talking about when I speak of Americans lacking a grasp on reality.

    And also, for the record I am an American.

    Except its not an objective reality, your opinion is a subjective reality. Where is the scientific, peer reviewed and replicated data to prove your statements about Americans? None? Just your opinion? Then it is not an objective reality. You cannot shout "its an objective reality!" To all critisism just like I cannot shout the same about my favorite flavour of ice cream.
    You're misunderstanding me:

    - I say Americans have a tenuous grasp on reality
    - You say that there is no objective reality
    - I say there are objective, material realities, such as the nature of war and violence, of which I think most Americans I don't understand.

    My opinion isn't objective. But the natures of war and violence are.

    1) That is your opinion and at best a gross over generalization.

    2) There really isn't when humans become involved. Since no 2 people's experiences will ever be the same there is no objective reality with something like the concept of war.

    3) Again, that is your opinion on Americans. A country with 50 states, different backgrounds and origins and ethnic histories and so many other qualifiers simply stating 'Americans are blank' is absolutely subjective. And, frankly, so is the nature of war and violence. Some hate it. Some love it.

    And I would say that Americans do understand death and war, there is no one better at the war business than America. They just don't give a damn about other countries and who they inflict war and death upon. Not a particularly rare or even new mindset for an imperialistic war monger like America. That's the problem. I think you have a concept that is based on reality but fail to properly diagnose the problem. It's not that most Americans do not understand war or death, it's that their leaders do not care about that, only about what's best for the country (at best) or their corporate masters (at worst).
    My evidence?

    300

    Lethal Weapon

    Pretty much every Tarantino film

    Pretty much every buddy cop comedy

    The Kingsmen: Secret Service

    Just to name a few. You might argue that mere fictional depictions of grotesque violence does not necessarily reflect the mindsets of American in regards to violence. I say that's utter nonsense. The type of fiction we write always reflects our beliefs, while the fiction we consume influences our worldviews and perceptions of reality. Demons reflected Dostoyevsky's disdain for Marxism and other secular revolutionary ideologies. Nineteen-Eighty-Four reflected Orwell's perceptions of totalitarian Stalinism. Not that Tarantino would commit the atrocities that are shown in his films but the fact that he apparently considers such violence entertaining should be of concern.

    The fact that one of the main characters of the Kingsmen is depicted brutally slaughtering a church congregation fighting against their will and this is excused because said church is bigoted and all I've seen in regards to this is people praising the characters woke response to a middle aged woman he would later shoot in the head is in my fair opinion, a reflection of our subconscious permissibility toward gruesome acts of violence. And this subconscious permissibility of violence sneaks into the real world when diplomatic crises arise and the citizens of North Korea and Iraq might as well be the three dozen nameless henchmen our heroes mercilessly kill in our movies and TV shows.

    I know I'm sounding like Pat Robertson right now, but bear with me here. I'm not condemning stuff like Breaking Bad which portrays violence for a reason. I'm talking about depicting violence because it's "cool", and how that creates a culture not of violence but of leniency toward it provided it's far enough away. Try to name how many times you've seen a film portray violence as Dunkirk does?

    2) There really isn't when humans become involved. Since no 2 people's experiences will ever be the same there is no objective reality with something like the concept of war.

    3) Again, that is your opinion on Americans. A country with 50 states, different backgrounds and origins and ethnic histories and so many other qualifiers simply stating 'Americans are blank' is absolutely subjective. And, frankly, so is the nature of war and violence. Some hate it. Some love it.


    If 2 were true, then there wouldn't be strong similarities between Lepa Sela, Lepo Gore - a Serb war film depicting the Bosnian War, All Quiet On The Western Front - A German novel on WWI and Full Metal Jacket. All three have the same general depiction of war: As something ruthless, bloody, and horrific. There are very few real differences between the Syrian Civil War, the War in Donbass and the Libyan Civil War besides stuff like strategy, equipment and tactics. Modern warfare isnt that varied. Any fiction depicting war as anything but gory and horrid is quite frankly just propaganda.

    And you know I'm not saying all Americans have these views. I'm an American. I live in. a city where over 200 languages are spoken. I'm aware of America's diversity.

    And I would say that Americans do understand death and war, there is no one better at the war business than America

    How do American military capabilities debunk American perceptions on war?
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  • If we exclusively tried to solve our personal problems, nobody would ever get around to the broader ones. :P

    Once you have you have the basics sorted, you can give yourself bigger problems.

    Also, @Mariam, I really like Tarantino films. Django for instance... the unbridled savagery during the climax presented a neat counterpoint to the bridled savagery in the rest of the film. I'd venture a guess that when the NK government falls, in 150 years a Korean Tarantino will make a film about massacring party officials. I won't have the heart (literally and figuratively) to to them they shouldn't make that film

    Also, in what city do you live? You said 200 languages, I'd venture NYC as a guess?
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  • If we exclusively tried to solve our personal problems, nobody would ever get around to the broader ones. :P

    Once you have you have the basics sorted, you can give yourself bigger problems.

    Also, @Mariam, I really like Tarantino films. Django for instance... the unbridled savagery during the climax presented a neat counterpoint to the bridled savagery in the rest of the film. I'd venture a guess that when the NK government falls, in 150 years a Korean Tarantino will make a film about massacring party officials. I won't have the heart (literally and figuratively) to to them they shouldn't make that film

    Also, in what city do you live? You said 200 languages, I'd venture NYC as a guess?
    Los Angeles. In my home neighborhood, I was the only WASP among my  friends. I witnessed a neighborhood I used to live in become Desi majority over the span of maybe 5 years, while also having a Coptic church not too far. It is a hyperdiverse slab of concrete in a desert.

    And listen, again I'm not Pat Robertson. I don't think Tarantino or Tarantino fans are homicidal psychopaths in training. I just think that unnecessarily violent media kinda desensitizes you after a while, and that could creep into your perceptions on the world. I only watched maybe the first 10 - 15 mins of Django but that was enough to turn me off. Then again, I just saw 15 mins so idk.
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  • About the last thing I want is to give myself bigger problems. :))

    I used to think that too.. but now, I want to be able to handle more responsibilities, I want to be strong enough to shoulder larger burdens. That means giving myself more problems.

    Los Angeles. In my home neighborhood, I was the only WASP among my  friends. I witnessed a neighborhood I used to live in become Desi majority over the span of maybe 5 years, while also having a Coptic church not too far. It is a hyperdiverse slab of concrete in a desert.

    And listen, again I'm not Pat Robertson. I don't think Tarantino or Tarantino fans are homicidal psychopaths in training. I just think that unnecessarily violent media kinda desensitizes you after a while, and that could creep into your perceptions on the world. I only watched maybe the first 10 - 15 mins of Django but that was enough to turn me off. Then again, I just saw 15 mins so idk.

    Hey, to each their own. I do think that the beginning presented Django as a relatively amoral assassin who killed somewhat indiscriminately, but that changes after the opening sequence. There is a savage within all of us, and Tarantino is communicating with that savage. We don't usually need the savage for any moral purpose, but by the end of the movie I could see a need for Django's to find expression. I'd take another look if I were you, but hey, I like Tarantino.

    Your upbringing seems a bit opposite to mine, I grew up in a mostly white (some Hispanic) area in Arizona. My mom is half-hispanic, so I'm a quarter, though I mostly just look white imo. Moving to Portland was a shock, for though it is somewhat more diverse than Arizona was, the white people are freshly white (fewer white people with mixed racial heritage), so here I'm basically Mexican, lol.
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  • I used to think that too.. but now, I want to be able to handle more responsibilities, I want to be strong enough to shoulder larger burdens. That means giving myself more problems.
    I'm not sure it really works that way, but to each their own!


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  • I used to think that too.. but now, I want to be able to handle more responsibilities, I want to be strong enough to shoulder larger burdens. That means giving myself more problems.
    I'm not sure it really works that way, but to each their own!

    I think there's every indication that it does.. We get stronger as we exercise our abilities, we get more efficient as we prioritize and organize our lives. I don't think I've scratched the edges of my potential.
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  • I think there's every indication that it does.. We get stronger as we exercise our abilities, we get more efficient as we prioritize and organize our lives. I don't think I've scratched the edges of my potential.
    I'm all for self-improvement, but I also think there's something to be said for trying to live a relaxed life too. It's hard enough to do that in the world today, and too many people are too overwhelmed and stressed and it's part of why society is such shit today.


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  • I think there's every indication that it does.. We get stronger as we exercise our abilities, we get more efficient as we prioritize and organize our lives. I don't think I've scratched the edges of my potential.
    I'm all for self-improvement, but I also think there's something to be said for trying to live a relaxed life too. It's hard enough to do that in the world today, and too many people are too overwhelmed and stressed and it's part of why society is such shit today.

    I suppose it depends strongly on your temperament. You know that I've always been the energetic motivated type - I can't sit still. I have to do something productive with my energy or I just feel like i'm being crushed by the future.
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  • I suppose it depends strongly on your temperament. You know that I've always been the energetic motivated type - I can't sit still. I have to do something productive with my energy or I just feel like i'm being crushed by the future.
    I actually didn't know that...learn something new every day. :P


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  • I think there's every indication that it does.. We get stronger as we exercise our abilities, we get more efficient as we prioritize and organize our lives. I don't think I've scratched the edges of my potential.
    I'm all for self-improvement, but I also think there's something to be said for trying to live a relaxed life too. It's hard enough to do that in the world today, and too many people are too overwhelmed and stressed and it's part of why society is such shit today.

    I suppose it depends strongly on your temperament. You know that I've always been the energetic motivated type - I can't sit still. I have to do something productive with my energy or I just feel like i'm being crushed by the future.

    I'm only like that at work.  When I'm at home, I have no problem sitting still for long periods of time.  When I'm at work, I always have to be on the move and doing something or I get anxious because I feel incredibly unproductive.
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  • I'm only like that at work.  When I'm at home, I have no problem sitting still for long periods of time.  When I'm at work, I always have to be on the move and doing something or I get anxious because I feel incredibly unproductive.

    I meant sitting still figuratively. When I've a mind, I can sit still for hours, as long as I'm aggressively engaging my brain.
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  • I'm only like that at work.  When I'm at home, I have no problem sitting still for long periods of time.  When I'm at work, I always have to be on the move and doing something or I get anxious because I feel incredibly unproductive.

    I meant sitting still figuratively. When I've a mind, I can sit still for hours, as long as I'm aggressively engaging my brain.

    Ok, yeah.  That's me.  It's impossible for me to do nothing, because even if I'm just sitting there I'm consistently going through my thoughts about everything and anything.

    I usually play games to distract myself from moments like that.
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