The UH elections are still completely democratic. This last election, for example, had a good number of candidates both in the Riksrad and not. The ones voted for are some of the most active members on Wintreath. Chanku may be the Jarl of Defense, for example, but he's also very adept at writing bills. Laurentus may be the Thane of FA, but he's very adept with law and is very excellent with legislature. Hannah and Point Breeze may also be Jarls, but they're also insanely active members who put a lot of effort into the region.
Not doubting any of that, but what I am saying is, is it helpful for the region to have the same people on multiple different platforms serving positions? Does seeing the same people not clog the system?
Again, no. Because for one, as I said, EVERYONE who joins is encouraged to take part in elections if they have the desire. And again, it just goes for the will of the people. If the majority who voted in the last election didn't want to see the same people in multiple positions, then we wouldn't have been voted for, and we'd have a perfect 5 candidates who have absolutely no other affiliations with our government.
However, that's not the case. The people decided that they wanted to see us in the UH regardless of us being in the Riksrad. If the people are wanting experienced people they know about already, regardless of other affiliations, should we really say "No, sorry, they're not allowed to run because they're in the Riksrad and it'd clog the system," ? That'd take away from the actual democratic process since we'd be denying them the chance to vote for who they'd actually think was the most appropriate for the job. If we get more candidates that want to take part, then that's awesome. The more people wanting to take part, the merrier, and the less likely people would be to vote for us because they'll want to see fresher faces in the government...which is something I'm always on board with.
But again, with that not being the case, it is what it is. I'm not going to support any law regulating what people can take part in aside from keeping current OH members out of the UH (which is never going to happen). Jarls are appointed positions, and that shouldn't deny them being in the UH if that's what the people want.
Wintreath legislature is essentially like Theater. You'll get all sorts auditioning for a play, but who is most likely going to get the part? The experienced actor that has worked with that director before. Does that mean new actors don't stand a chance? Of course not. If the new actor puts in a hell of an audition that makes everyone turn their heads to see, then it's highly likely he'll get a call back and then the role.
Actor and play are separate. It doesn't necessarily fill what is going on here. It would be like saying a really good actor should have multiple roles in the same play. IF they're good why shouldn't they have multiple roles over someone who's new or isn't as experienced? That's what the situation is.
Again, this is not necessarily true. In plays, it's completely unsurprising to, see, say the Choreographer also have one of the lead roles, or even to see the director themselves have a lead role. Just because some people consider them to be separate things doesn't mean they are (and I will say it's also NOT unheard of to see actors with multiple parts in a play, it actually happens quite often). Technically Jarls and the UH are separate, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get the chance to run for a UH spot. The only reason they shouldn't is if they're in the OH...which that's when it'd go into being unfair since they're in both branches of legislature.
People will almost always vote for the familiar face that they've seen before over the unknown. Even if it wasn't Jarls that were elected, it'd still be members that have been on the UH before, because they're candidates that the people know their work ethic already.
This is entirely different. People who serve one position per term, even if it's repeated, is different than someone having multiple positions per term. If someone wants to run for UH again, fine then let them. Just not UH and another position.
It's not different at all. You're just seeing it this way to make a point. If someone wants to take on a second job on here, why should that be denied to them? People have seen all of the current UH in those positions before, they've seen us in our Jarl duties, and they've seen us on the forums when we're not partaking in either. The term before last, three of us that were elected ended up making one of the most active terms of the UH since I joined here, and we got a lot of shit done. One of the members has been insanely active since her 4 month start date, and was appointed VERY recently into being our Jarl of Information because of how much she puts into the region. And the other, as I said, is very adept with making laws, puts effort into keeping our military going despite the challenges of it, and is one of our more outspoken members on issues.
And you're going to say that none of us who would make a powerhouse of the UH by putting our efforts together should be allowed to take part simply because we're Jarls?
What's next? Are you going to say that Nobility shouldn't be allowed either because they've been elevated to a rank above the regular citizens?
I apologize if I'm coming across in a less than nice way, but I actually take a bit of offense to this argument. If someone is putting a strong effort into the region and wants to do so in another way as well, then denying them the chance to do so simply because it "clogs the system" is completely unheard of. As I said before, ANYONE who wants to take part in elections should be allowed to do so, and denying anyone the right takes away from our democratic nature, regardless if they're a Jarl, a former OH member, a Count/Countess/Duke/Archduke/The Prince/Princess, or a citizen.