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Actually, my order was more of  Laurentus > (but only slightly) everyone > (slightly again) aternox.

And as Laurentus pointed out, if we rely on past behavior, we're essentially screwed, so we'll need to look at the more recent posts.

Aaron and Laurentus suddenly supporting each other after previously opposing each other seems somewhat suspicious.

This isn't typical tau behaviour anymore.

1. You're not answering the question that Aaron is putting to you (why you chose Sapph over me). Are you avoiding the question? It would seem so.

I accept that I'm still suspicious, but I must ask why I would hurt my own cause if I were a Koopa by pointing out that looking for King Koopa would be pretty useless? Especially (as you seem to be implying) if I want to hide the newest addition to the Koopa clan's identity, I'd remain completely silent on that point, since I'd realise that pointing that out could point to Aaron as a new Koopa since we no longer oppose each other so vehemently. I've pretty much been suspicious from the start, so if I am a Koopa, I'd be King Koopa, making Aaron this Iggy character.

2. Second paragraph is self-explanatory and true.

3. Why would Aaron even ask the question of whether we're dealing with a new Koopa, if he could have remained silent and we could easily have remained unnoticed as a Koopa pair?

I don't know what his reasons are for not suspecting me as much as he did previously, but it stands to reason that a defender would do everything in his power to ensure his partner's survival, making his insistence that I was the most suspicious (even though I was only slightly more suspicious) interesting, because if he were a defender, he'd know for certain that Sapph was also one, and would protect him to the end.

I'm beginning to suspect you all the more, tau. Usually, you would consider these things I've pointed out.

I'd in fact have been ready to vote for you if I weren't so afraid that you could be King Koopa, instead of Iggy.

Oh, that reminds me, @Pengu. Are we already screwed? Because even if we guess Iggy correctly and he gets ejected, we'd probably still lose someone during the night phase, meaning we'd be reduced to a 2:1 good/bad ratio, and if we then guess King Koopa's identity correctly, he would survive and kill another person, winning the game.

Am I correct in saying our only hope would be if our defender performs some world class defending?

Sorry, that was meant to be a quote, not an edit.  It's annoying when they're so close together.  <.<

Look at it this way:

If Iggy gets ejected, that puts you down to 3 good guys and 1 bad guy.  If you survive the night phase, you keep that ratio, and if you lose someone, it's still 2 to 1, and the Koopalings and Bowser can only win if they match the remaining number of good guys.  So if you were pushed down to 2 to 1 and voted wrong the next phase, he'd win.  If you voted correctly, you'd win.  It's crunch time, but you can still win if you make the right choices.

This isn't typical tau behaviour anymore.

1. You're not answering the question that Aaron is putting to you (why you chose Sapph over me). Are you avoiding the question? It would seem so.

Much like Aragonn did, I voted for Sapphiron because I was running out of time and did not want to chance at being ejected for inactivity. Furthermore, Sapphiron was already winning by an overwhelming amount at that point, so my vote was pointless except for that reason. And then, of course, I was busy, and so I just voted the way that seemed to both be the general opinion and the one one least likely to cause disturbances. (I mean, I could have voted to eject myself, but I didn't think of that until afterward.)

I accept that I'm still suspicious, but I must ask why I would hurt my own cause if I were a Koopa by pointing out that looking for King Koopa would be pretty useless? Especially (as you seem to be implying) if I want to hide the newest addition to the Koopa clan's identity, I'd remain completely silent on that point, since I'd realise that pointing that out could point to Aaron as a new Koopa since we no longer oppose each other so vehemently. I've pretty much been suspicious from the start, so if I am a Koopa, I'd be King Koopa, making Aaron this Iggy character.

I meant that, hypothetically, you may be King Koopa. And you could be intetionally hurting your own cause to deflect suspicion, and might also point that out to hurt morale.

2. Second paragraph is self-explanatory and true.

3. Why would Aaron even ask the question of whether we're dealing with a new Koopa, if he could have remained silent and we could easily have remained unnoticed as a Koopa pair?

As I have stated earlier, he may have done that to deflect suspicion; Pengu's post (the one in which Sapph got ejected) already pointed out that a new Koopa had been chosen, so there was no need to ask again.

King Koopa: Cheer for now little toads, but now with Mario out of the way, I can do this!

*King Koopa waves his wand, as one of the toads transforms into Iggy Koopa.  Iggy hops away and dons a new, better looking Toad mask before he blends back into the crowd.*

I don't know what his reasons are for not suspecting me as much as he did previously, but it stands to reason that a defender would do everything in his power to ensure his partner's survival, making his insistence that I was the most suspicious (even though I was only slightly more suspicious) interesting, because if he were a defender, he'd know for certain that Sapph was also one, and would protect him to the end.

My conjecture fits as well, though. If you were King Koopa, your suspicious behavior may have alerted Aaron, but if he were also chosen as Iggy, he would try to deflect suspicion away from you.

I'm beginning to suspect you all the more, tau. Usually, you would consider these things I've pointed out.

As you can see, I did see all that you've pointed out. I just interpreted the information in a different way.

I'd in fact have been ready to vote for you if I weren't so afraid that you could be King Koopa, instead of Iggy.

That's also why I don't think I'll vote for you. Even if you or I were a Koopa, we'd probably be Bowser and nothing would happen, so there's still no point voting for me or you.

I'm not sure I will be able to make it to the deadline after this, so for now, I will Vote: Eject Aaron Specter.

I really don't have a lead on anyone. Laurentus is suspicious, but he's been suspicious throughout, and basically everyone else seems like a possible wolf.

Can the mod confirm we're allowed to claim our roles?

I think a massclaim is our best bet. I confess the 'bigger post' I promised earlier I bailed on the moment I realised we need to get Iggy and Bowser doesn't matter this phase.

As there's no ruling against it, role revealing is allowed.  Whether or not people believe a role reveal is a different story.

Not sure what the point is any more since we're running out of time.

As some of you have already guessed, I am the other Defender, Luigi.

I'm a generic toad, though I'm not sure the purpose of this...somehow I don't think anyone is going to openly admit to being Bowser or Iggy.

I was honestly waiting for more votes to cast my own, since I believe the votes of others will be telling...however, with only two hours left in the day and only two votes cast (taulover and Aaron Specter for each other), I'll have to proceed with what I have. I still think that Laurentus is the most likely Koopa...probably Bowser since my suspicions go back a few turns. If I'm right, voting for him wouldn't be helpful, but he would know who Iggy is and perhaps that would reflect in his actions this turn. And while he hasn't voted yet (I was waiting for his vote, tbh), his last few posts have been critical of taulover, who Aaron voted for right out the gate.

There's a chance I'm wrong about the whole thing, and there's a chance that Laurentus would be critical of taulover knowing that we have been suspicious of him and wanting to distance himself from Iggy, but it also seems odd that suddenly Aaron finds Laurentus to be less suspicious and voted for someone right out the gate. But then again, it must be hard to be cast as Iggy after being a helpful, innocent toad fighting the Koopa all this time. Maybe I'm wrong or being misled, but right now that seems the most likely narrative to me.

Vote: Eject Aaron Specter

I'm a generic toad, but I'm also not certain exactly what the point is.

It seems I'll have no choice but to vote for taulover, since it's unlikely I'll get support at this time to vote for Wintermoot.

So vote: eject taulover

EDIT: Also, I suppose the point could be that the REAL defender could challenge Aaron if he weren't one.

Decisions, decisions...Aaron, or Taulover?  Which should the citizens eject from the Kingdom?  Aaron?  Or Taulover? Luigi?  Or Princess Peach?  It's a tough call.

*flips a coin*

And the result is:

WAKE UP little toads, and all hail your glorious leader, King Bowser Koopa!  Last night, our scaliness crushed the last of the resistance when he ejected the infuriating Luigi (whom he affectionately called "Greenie") out of the Mushroom Kingdom for good.  He then had Iggy fire the generic toad out of a mushroom cannon, ejecting him as well, whilst he took Princess Peach to his castle to be his bride.  With nobody to stop him, Bowser has become the king of Mushroom Kingdom, and the land itself has been reduced to a wasteland with Koopas taking over, and Bowser's castle now residing where the Mushroom Kingdom castle once stood.

It seems all hope is now lost for good.

Here were the rest of the roles, today:

*Taulover: Princess Peach
*Aaron Specter: Luigi
*Wintermoot: King Bowser Koopa
*Aternox:  Iggy Koopa
*Laurentus: Generic Toad #394

Great game everyone! I'll post a nightly synposis once I get home from work this evening.

The ability to play as Bowser has made our society more evil.

Well, at least Wintermoot has had his revenge.

When did aternox become Iggy?

Congratulations to the winners!

When did aternox become Iggy?

I do believe it's when this post is made.

*a poorly drawn toad-mask falls off of Annelise, revealing them to be Ludwig Von Koopa.  Everyone gasps, but jumps for joy.*

King Koopa: Cheer for now little toads, but now with Mario out of the way, I can do this!

*King Koopa waves his wand, as one of the toads transforms into Iggy Koopa.  Iggy hops away and dons a new, better looking Toad mask before he blends back into the crowd.*

I'm a generic toad, though I'm not sure the purpose of this...somehow I don't think anyone is going to openly admit to being Bowser or Iggy.

At the time, the logic was that the following would have been claimed: Luigi, Toad, Peach. There would be 2 claimed Toads, both of whom started as toads, but one of them now Iggy. Bowser would have to counterclaim Peach or Luigi. Thus we'd narrow down who we had to lynch from there - one of the two Toad claims. Also we'd have one confirmed clear. If there were two Luigi claims and two Toad claims, then whoever claimed Peach must be the real Peach. If there were two Peach claims, similarly, whoever claimed Luigi must be the true Luigi.

Well played though, to everyone.

This is the fastest game to end though.

It made for an interesting game, though.

Okay, whose idea was it to get rid of me immediately, and why?