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Werewolf 5: Super Mario Continuum
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Aaron Specter
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  • This is in case my full post takes too long and misses the end of the phase:

    Vote: Eject Laurentus

    Whoever dies will effectively determine whether town or wolves win. Remember to come back and see who voted who and why.
    We understand how dangerous a mask can be. We all become what we pretend to be. We all wear masks, and the time comes when we cannot remove them without removing some of our own skin.

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  • Looking at the posts today, I notice that Aaron Specter hasn't voted. He clearly is picking holes in Laurentus's arguments, but whether that is because Laurentus is just the most active or because he is trying to help Sapphiron is hard to say.

    I would hope it was was obvious by now that it was because Laurentus has been the most active and also one with such an apparent loophole in his reasoning.

    I will Vote: Lynch Sapphiron. I don't think a wolf would put so much effort into posting if they were in Laurentus's shoes. If he wasn't posting this round would have been a lot quieter which is in the wolves favour.

    I think this is a tad suspect. Laurentus always talks a lot. That isn't meant as an insult to him, it's just his style. You'll have noticed I picked up on his change of tone immediately today. In his case, being quiet would have drawn particular suspicion from the rest of us who have played with him, and I'd have thought that included you.

    Now, is it interesting that this reasoning led to aternox voting in a way which would, at the time, have definitely saved Laurentus and led to Sapphiron's lynch? Or that in aternox's entire post, Laurentus was picked out as possibly being a koopa more times than Sapphiron was, yet he voted Sapphiron anyway?

    Laurentus said he suspected aternox, and then later ditched the idea, in a somewhat inconsistent line of reasoning. I'm not buying the 'miswording' thing. Frankly, your grasp of English is too good for it. What I'm suspecting is that Laurentus intended to name aternox early on so as to distance himself from him, and then disregarded him later on as soon as he found a viable target... in Sapphiron. He probably wasn't counting on his naming of aternox to come to much scrutiny.

    That's my take on it. Laurentus and aternox as the koopas. I must admit this is with limited information as we haven't heard from Mlfailor or Annaliese at all, and we haven't heard from tau this phase either.

    For the sake of completion, here's why I'm a koopa: I've attacked Laurentus pretty relentlessly. It could be said I've had tunnel vision.

    Here's why I'm not: My arguments have held up. Laurentus' argument of bad wording seems too convenient. After his initial vote for Sapphiron, his subsequent unwillingness to look elsewhere for a worthy vote is suspect. I have tried to look at others but there hasn't been as much material.

    I can't effectively judge Wintermoot since the same arguments keep coming up again and again: he's a koopa or the koopas are setting him up.

    I'm getting town-ish vibes from Aragonn who seems eager to catch the koopas, even though his reasoning seems simplistic. His instant self-vote day 1 seemed a town tell. Could be wrong though.

    The link between aternox and Laurentus, however, seemed to be validated by aternox's vote which would have been the hammer for Sapphiron. If I'm wrong, then I'm not sure who the wolves could be, though I think it'd be one of Wintermoot/Aragonn and one of the inactives: taulover/Mlfailor/Annaliese. Mlfailor/Annaliese would explain why Pengu had to drag out the night phase (i.e. the active one waiting for the other, and then eventually realising they weren't going to come back).

    If Sapphiron dies and flips town OR Laurentus dies and flips koopa, we should probably look to the Laurentus/aternox pairing again.

    If Sapphiron dies and flips koopa OR Laurentus dies and flips town, I'm going to bang my head against my desk a lot.


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    Laurentus
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  • Get ready for some serious head-banging then. :P

    I'm currently out of energy, but I'll try to nail Aaron for old time's sake. :P I'll start with your second paragraph and move on to each following one with each new number, as I'm too lazy to quote right now.

    1) Correct, you picked up on my change in tone, and then completely misunderstood it, saying I was "defensive" and "flippant," when admitting I simply made a mistake would pretty much be the opposite of that. Getting a bit over-eager there, Aaron, which lends itself well to you only having tunnel-vision, at the least, and being a Koopa, at the worst. Though in this case I'll go with the first, since I would think an intelligent player like you would learn not to be so outspoken and confrontational as the wolf when that led to you being lynched previously. Though perhaps you anticipated that we wouldn't expect you to do the same thing twice, thus using that as a clever disguise, so note to everyone if I end up getting hammered: bandwagon on Aaron. :P

    Sound ridiculous? Of course. And yet you always seem to employ similar reasoning when trying to nail me. :P

    2) I can't speak to aternox's strategy here. He's perfectly capable of explaining himself, however, so I'll leave him to it.

    3) Same story as above.

    4) It wasn't my English which led to this mistake. I can't really explain what went wrong here, I just completely fucked up. I'm not immune to the occasional fuck-up, and apparently neither is Sapphiron, though I'm drawing a lot more fire for it for some reason. I don't know why I referred to aternox in the present tense. And I later pointed out that since I had gotten my facts wrong about aternox, my original plan of targeting someone who's usually more helpful and contributing would have applied perfectly to him as well.

    However, that's not what I did. I went for Sapph, and then it generated a lot of interesting debate, and made Sapph the most logical target, whether I be a wolf or not.

    The only time I made a comment about my English was when you referred to the word "flippant," a word which I genuinely haven't encountered that often.

    I'll just go ahead and point out that no wolf in his right mind would opt for a strategy of naming his partner and being so in-everyone's-face the entire time after doing it. It's not sound strategy. The simplest strategy is the most likely to succeed.

    5) You are really pushing that aternox-Laurentus partnership here, though my comments regarding it have already been made in the above point. I'll just point out that the more inconspicuous peeps are getting a free pass here if they're the Koopas, since they only have to watch us tear each other to pieces, kill someone off during the night, and then vote in some safe, predictable ways in the next day phase to win the game.

    6)
     Addressed in point 1.

    7) "I have no qualms about your vote for Sapphiron. It is your line of reasoning used against (and for) aternox which troubles me."

    This transitions into: "After his initial vote for Sapphiron, his subsequent unwillingness to look elsewhere for a worthy vote is suspect. I have tried to look at others, but there hasn't been as much material."

    Talk about logical inconsistencies. You're becoming more and more suspect as I'm going on.

    Even Wintermoot, who voted for me, said that Sapphiron and I are the two most suspect ones because of our strange behaviour. I admitted I would find my own behaviour suspicious were in your shoes, but I can't very well vote for myself, either as a baddie or as a townie, since it would simply hurt my cause, along with whoever I'm affiliated with. So you have a serious case of tunnel vision, at the least, because Sapphiron is the logical vote for me to make after his reaction, no matter how I'm aligned.

    8. Aragonn is excellent at playing it cool and killing everyone while they don't suspect a thing. Remember WW 4. :P

    That's both a compliment and a reason I suspect you, Aragonn. :)

    9) You're saying that aternox is one of the Koopas because he's trying to save my by voting for Sapph? How do you explain Aragonn's vote for Sapph then? This is a clear case of conjecture and tunnel vision. We've discussed this at length in Werewolf 3.

    Also, Mlfailor and Anneliese are the only two who I'm certain aren't wolves, since none of them have been online in forever. So your reasoning is really starting to slip here. There is also the problem of how this game is set up. One of the Koopas does the killing, the other one does the capturing of our seer. They both killed and captured our seer in the last night phase, meaning both were active. This is perhaps your saving grace as far as I'm concerned, since strange as it may seem, the wolves probably wouldn't make this factual mistake.

    To close off, if I die, good luck to the townies.
    « Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 04:06:01 AM by Laurentus »
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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  • I feel loved. :))
    Consider my eyebrows raised for not answering the question of why you are or aren't the wolf. ??? :)
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
    Satan sit saam sy kinders en kyk hoe kom die son op. 
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  • I am in fact late, and considering that I have a crapload of homework today, I'll just go ahead and vote based on my skimming of today's discussion:

    Vote: Eject Sapphiron
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  • I am not a wolf because I didn't send any private messages during last night phase.

    As for why I am a wolf? I made an "out of character" vote.
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  • Rejoice young toads! For it is time for an Ejection ceremony.  For those who have faint hearts, please consult with your friendly Doctor Mario and Nurse Peach, they'll be glad to help you out.

    Meanwhile, please welcome Princess Zelda to the cere---oh, nevermind, it looks like she's been kidnapped again.  Well in any case, please welcome her assistant, Li---wait, where's he going at a time like this?

    Oh good lord, FINE.  Please welcome Mr. Kirby to the--NO KIRBY STOP EATING EVERYTHING!

    Uhm...excuse me for a moment while I take care of this.

    *walks off and tries explaining to kirby, as he himself is eaten and used to give Kirby sword power, before Kirby is unexpectedly hit by a flying koopa shell and experiences a game over.  Another toad walks up to everyone*

    Hello everyone, and please welcome our special guest, Mega Man!

    *Everyone claps as the half-robot boy walks up*

    He'll be the one responsible for ejecting your choice today.  And what an interesting person you've chosen as well!  According to the mushlist you've written up, most of you think Sapphiron is someone from the Koopa Clan!  What do you have to say to that Sapphiron?

    Sapphiron: It'sa not me, I swear! I like-a the spaghetti!

    Well apparently your fellow toads disagree.  Mega Man?

    *Megaman fires busters at Sapphiron, who is it by one and shrunk down to smaller size.  Another buster shot hits Sapphiron as he experiences a game over.*

    Peach: No!  MAAAAAARIO!!!!!!

    What?! That was Mario?! What the Koopa is wrong with you people? How could you not recognize your own hero?!

    Oh look, a star! How pretty it looks.  Wait...what was I talking about?  I don't recall, but Megaman looks anxious to shoot more buster shots.  Go for it Megaman!

    *Megaman fires shots at Mlfailor and Anneliese, as both of them experience a game over*

    Oh how sad, I guess they were just toads after all...wait, what's this?

    *a poorly drawn toad-mask falls off of Annelise, revealing them to be Ludwig Von Koopa.  Everyone gasps, but jumps for joy.*

    King Koopa: Cheer for now little toads, but now with Mario out of the way, I can do this!

    *King Koopa waves his wand, as one of the toads transforms into Iggy Koopa.  Iggy hops away and dons a new, better looking Toad mask before he blends back into the crowd.*

    Well, I guess that's that!  We still have a Koopaling to worry about everyone, and King Bowser is as relentless as ever!  So let's all retire to our little toad houses and hope that nobody decides to attack us, eh?

    Sapphiron aka the once lovable Mario has been ejected from Mushroom Kingdom.

    Mfailor and Anneliese have been ejected from Mushroom Kingdom due to two consecutive nights of inactivity.  Mfailor was a Toad, Anneliese was Ludwig Von Koopa.

    It's night phase little toads! Commence your panicking, whilst the power roles choose their targets.  This phase will end tomorrow, Wednesday, July 1st at 11:00PM PST.
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  • I'd have taken more time with my post on my reasoning if I didn't have much work to do. I'm a very busy person these days.
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  • When we're not killing our seers, we're axing our defenders. Quite hilarious, really.
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  • Wake up little toads!

    Now, before I present this news, let me tell you that Tappers is currently open for those drinks that you'll need.  So stop on by there when this is over.



    Now for the tragic news.  We tightened security last night because of the previous night tragedy...though remind me to fire whoever gave our security toads the Sleepy Shrooms!

    It was reported that some odd koopas with sunglasses made their way into a mushroom house last night:



    I can't say for sure what happened, but it seemed as if a toad was shelled to a game over!

    So let us all mourn Generic Toad #433, Aaragonn.

    ....
    ....

    Oh look, something in the sky! It's a bird, it's a mushplane! No...it's King Bowser Koopa, and he's got the princess again!  Doesn't he ever give it a rest?!  Well it looks like the Princess was unavailable last night again, so ya'll are probably exactly where you started.  What fun!

    Now that it's daytime little toads, get back to your dancing and merry-making...if you can.  Talk amongst yourselves, and think carefully about who the bad guy could be.  Because if you pick someone wrong again, it'll be game over for everyone.

    This day will end on 6:30PM PST on Friday, July 3rd.
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  • Well then........seems someone heeded my warning.

    * Aragonn gets shelled to death
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  • It's safe to assume one of the people who voted for me in the previous day phase was the other defender.

    Given that it was first Colby, then Aragonn - both Hyperians - who got killed during the night, the killer could be an Hyperian himself.

    So that's me or tau.

    I'm considering voting for taulover, but I want to hear your thoughts first.
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