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Hmm, perhaps use half of all the citizen users on the forum as a basis for it, then?

But then you have the other half in the executive & judiciary and the ruling class ceases to be a separate entity from the ruled, which defeats the whole point of the monarchy.


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With updates, this is how the legislature officially stands now...

Overhusen - The Upper Branch
Chaired by Monarch or the Monarch's Representative
Appointed, members must be in the Riksrad
3-5 members, at the discretion of the Monarch

Underhusen - The Lower Branch
Elected to 2 month terms by Citizens
Members must be Citizens
4-7 members, the previous legislature will vote on the number of seats for the next term (5 in first session)
Chairman appointed by the Monarch out of those who win the election

The Process
All legislation would originate in the Underhusen, by being submitted by any member of the Underhusen. The Underhusen could make modifications, and vote to pass or defeat the bill. Should the bill pass, it is then sent to the Overhusen. Unlike the Underhusen, the Overhusen would not be able to modify the legislation, merely vote to pass or defeat it...essentially serving as a veto. If defeated, the Underhusen could take it back up either modify and repeat the process anew or override the veto with a 2/3 super-majority vote. If passed, the bill would become law.

In the event of Constitutional Amendments, it would need to be approved by the Monarch and the people through election.

The main changes are that members of the Riksrad can now run for election in the Underhusen, and the Underhusen has been granted a veto override from the Overhusen.

Who are the Riksred? I'm trying to get a greater understanding of the proposal at hand.

In layman's terms, the Riksrad is the Cabinet, made up of the Jarls and Thanes of each ministry.

I'm not keen on the Lords needing to be Jarls, truthfully. I know it was originally my idea, but it was an impulsive one and I'm not sure it would be such a great idea in actuality. Also, why can't the Overhusen be allowed to make changes? The House/Senate deadlock wouldn't apply in this instance because the legislature isn't partisan.

As I said before, I feel that having both houses be allowed to make changes would make for a confusing, inefficient process for passing laws, in that both chambers would have to keep track of what the other was doing with which version of which law. I feel that having a one-way process will make the legislature more manageable...additionally, as planned the Overhusen would be populated by members of the Riksråd who would have plenty of power in their own right as heads or deputies of Ministries. Granting them only an up-or-down vote is essentially giving them the veto power that most Executives have, giving a better balance of power between the two branches of government.

Also, if both chambers can essentially do the same thing, then I don't really see the point of a bicameral legislature. We could just as easily have a unicameral legislature with some appointed members. Not that I want to go backwards to that question, just pointing out my thought process.

I don't suppose it needs to be explicitly stated that only the Riksråd can sit in the Overhusen, although regardless that's what I would attempt to do in practice, just to keep there from being hordes of appointed officials. With the current Ministries, there could be a maximum of 14 Riksråd members as it is, and then adding a maximum of 5 appointed Overhusen...but yeah, I don't suppose it has to be explicitly stated.

Edit: With election nominations scheduled for tomorrow, I'd like to finalize and lock-in how the legislature is going to be today. Wouldn't do good for us to have elections and then a radical change in the legislature.

Ok, fair enough. I would rather it wasn't written in that lords have to be Jarls or Thanes as well.


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Since there's been no further replies in several days, the legislature is Wintreath is now considered locked-in, and not subject to further changes.


Overhusen - The Upper Branch
Chaired by Monarch or the Monarch's Representative
Appointed, must be Citizens
3-5 members, at the discretion of the Monarch

Underhusen - The Lower Branch
Elected to 2 month terms by Citizens
Members must be Citizens
4-7 members, the previous legislature will vote on the number of seats for the next term (5 in first session)
Chairman appointed by the Monarch out of those who win the election

The Process
All legislation would originate in the Underhusen, by being submitted by any member of the Underhusen. The Underhusen could make modifications, and vote to pass or defeat the bill. Should the bill pass, it is then sent to the Overhusen. Unlike the Underhusen, the Overhusen would not be able to modify the legislation, merely vote to pass or defeat it...essentially serving as a veto. If defeated, the Underhusen could take it back up either modify and repeat the process anew or override the veto with a 2/3 super-majority vote. If passed, the bill would become law.

In the event of Constitutional Amendments, it would need to be approved by the Monarch and the people through election.


The last change was that members of the Overhusen no longer explicitly need to come from the Riksråd, as per Charax's suggestion.

Ok, fair enough. I would rather it wasn't written in that lords have to be Jarls or Thanes as well.

Was this addressed in the final draft?

Aye