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[TABLED]Charax Romanov Act
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Chanku
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    1. Title
      1.1 This shall be titled the Charax Romanov Act

    2. Honorary Citizenship
    2.2 The Ex-Crown Prince and Jarl of Foreign Affairs Charax Romanov shall be granted Honorary
         Citizenship.

    3. Commendation
      3.1 Charax shall receive the Commendation of Wintreath for the following
        3.1.1 Running the Foreign Affairs Department.
        3.1.2 Being a major Contributor to the Fundamental Laws
        3.1.3 Being the first Crown Prince of Wintreath

    4. Holiday
      4.1 Upon, October 21 The Festival of Charax shall begin. The festival is to celebrate Charax’s Contribution
           to Wintreath.
      4.2 Upon a week prior to the date of the Festival, planning must begin by the Ministry of Culture, if
           planning has not already begun. The Ministry must allow members of the Riksrad and the Royal Family
           to suggest and help plan the Festival.
      4.3 The Ministry of Culture is mainly responsible for the execution and planning of the festival.
    I am re-introducing this for an override of the overhusen's veto. However this shall go into a 48 hour debate period as per the procedural rules.
    « Last Edit: April 28, 2014, 09:36:57 PM by Chanku »
    See you later space cowboy.
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    Royalty of Wintreath
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    Chanku
    Ceardia
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  • Well I do suggest taking out sections 4.2 and 4.3. I had the same opinions about those sections as the Overhusen members when this was initially introduced.
    Ceardia Solstice
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    Chanku
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  • Alright, but then it would be a re-proposal and it can't really be overridden. It has to be overriden in the forum that it was passed in....well it's assumed that way(but isn't directly stated)..wait if it is assumed, it can be assumed it doesn't meaning I can edit it....
    See you later space cowboy.
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    Current Positions in Wintreath
    Matriarch of House Kaizer
    Speaker of the 29th Underhusen
    Advisor to the Riksråd
    Positions I've held
    Riksrad(1st Jarl of Information, 3rd Jarl of Foreign Affairs, 2nd Jarl of Defense)
    Member of the WHR
    Speaker of the Underhusen (3rd)
    Speaker Pro Tempore of the Underhusen (1st)
    Underhusen Member (1st-3rd)
    Member of the 5th Overhusen
    Chairman of the 5th Overhusen
    6th Underhusen
    Speaker of the 6th Underhusen
    Mandate Holder for Jarl of Defense
    Member of the 8th Storting (Underhusen)
    Royalty of Wintreath
    Ambassador for the Department of Foreign Affairs.
    Underhusen Terms I've been a part of
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    2nd Underhusen
    3rd Underhusen
    6th Underhusen
    8th Underhusen
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    5th Overhusen
    Families I've been a part of
    Kaizer - Matriarch (REFORMED)
    Kestar - Child of Wintermoot (REMOVED)
    Chanku
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  • -rescinded-
    « Last Edit: April 24, 2014, 01:51:57 AM by Weissreich »
    Duke Klause Edíl-Astos Meindhert
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    Ceardia
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  • In all honesty, "Monarch or his delegate" is a hugely roundabout method to achieve what can be done with the words "X (or the appropriate) Ministry", which also has the added benefit of separating powers. Which is important.
    1. The ministries are NOT solid institutions like the Storting; they can be very easily altered and destroyed as the Fundamental Laws do say that the Monarch has all executive powers vested in him and with that the power to delegate them. It's a lot safer to simply state the "Monarch or his delegate" as a ministry a piece of legislation may refer to may not exist later on in the future.

    2. There is no separation of powers going either way; the Monarch still has all executive powers vested in him.

    Quote from: Fundamental Laws
    II. The Monarchy
    1. All Executive authorities and duties shall be vested in the Monarch of Wintreath.

    2. The Monarch shall have the authority to delegate Executive powers and duties to subordinate officials and to create subordinate offices at his or her discretion.
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    Ceardia Solstice
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  • I fully agree with Ceardia's last post.
    Vidarr Braighart Kasten
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    <+IH> There needs to be some constant to life that we can hold onto, something extremely difficult to find if we are constantly on the move.
    <@Vidarr> I hold onto the constant of change
    <+IH> How delightfully paradoxical.

    <@IH> Omega also suits you, it’s the symbol for electrical resistance.
    <@Delta> Are you saying I'm slow? :P
    <@IH> You were a component (see what I did there?) of the resistance in Wintreath, were you not?

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    Ceardia
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  • I motion to extend debating by 12 hours.

    I also further motion to amend the bill by striking out sections 4.2 and 4.3.
    Ceardia Solstice
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    Omega
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  • I second both motions. Remove sections 4.2 and 4.3
    Vidarr Braighart Kasten
    Alterra - Vidarr - Delta
    President of Wintreath and Spiritus (disputed, aka Government in Exile)

    <+IH> There needs to be some constant to life that we can hold onto, something extremely difficult to find if we are constantly on the move.
    <@Vidarr> I hold onto the constant of change
    <+IH> How delightfully paradoxical.

    <@IH> Omega also suits you, it’s the symbol for electrical resistance.
    <@Delta> Are you saying I'm slow? :P
    <@IH> You were a component (see what I did there?) of the resistance in Wintreath, were you not?

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    Ceardia
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  • Assuming that the act will be amended accordingly, I motion to vote.
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    Weissreich
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  • I think we're required to wait on Chanku's response to the first motion, in that case.
    Duke Klause Edíl-Astos Meindhert
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    Chanku
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  • I'm not sure if I'm actually allowed to edit any sections(or remove them) as this is only for overridding.
    See you later space cowboy.
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    Current Positions in Wintreath
    Matriarch of House Kaizer
    Speaker of the 29th Underhusen
    Advisor to the Riksråd
    Positions I've held
    Riksrad(1st Jarl of Information, 3rd Jarl of Foreign Affairs, 2nd Jarl of Defense)
    Member of the WHR
    Speaker of the Underhusen (3rd)
    Speaker Pro Tempore of the Underhusen (1st)
    Underhusen Member (1st-3rd)
    Member of the 5th Overhusen
    Chairman of the 5th Overhusen
    6th Underhusen
    Speaker of the 6th Underhusen
    Mandate Holder for Jarl of Defense
    Member of the 8th Storting (Underhusen)
    Royalty of Wintreath
    Ambassador for the Department of Foreign Affairs.
    Underhusen Terms I've been a part of
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    3rd Underhusen
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    Kaizer - Matriarch (REFORMED)
    Kestar - Child of Wintermoot (REMOVED)
    Chanku
    Ceardia
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  • It is simply a bill and we can amend it, and it's purpose for the reintroduction, if we wish to.
    Ceardia Solstice
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    Omega
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  • I motion to table the bill.
    Tableing will allow us to reintroduce it, with it's necessary edits.
    Vidarr Braighart Kasten
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    <+IH> There needs to be some constant to life that we can hold onto, something extremely difficult to find if we are constantly on the move.
    <@Vidarr> I hold onto the constant of change
    <+IH> How delightfully paradoxical.

    <@IH> Omega also suits you, it’s the symbol for electrical resistance.
    <@Delta> Are you saying I'm slow? :P
    <@IH> You were a component (see what I did there?) of the resistance in Wintreath, were you not?

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  • I second the motion to table the bill.
    Duke Klause Edíl-Astos Meindhert
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    Chanku
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  • Motion Carried.
    See you later space cowboy.
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    Current Positions in Wintreath
    Matriarch of House Kaizer
    Speaker of the 29th Underhusen
    Advisor to the Riksråd
    Positions I've held
    Riksrad(1st Jarl of Information, 3rd Jarl of Foreign Affairs, 2nd Jarl of Defense)
    Member of the WHR
    Speaker of the Underhusen (3rd)
    Speaker Pro Tempore of the Underhusen (1st)
    Underhusen Member (1st-3rd)
    Member of the 5th Overhusen
    Chairman of the 5th Overhusen
    6th Underhusen
    Speaker of the 6th Underhusen
    Mandate Holder for Jarl of Defense
    Member of the 8th Storting (Underhusen)
    Royalty of Wintreath
    Ambassador for the Department of Foreign Affairs.
    Underhusen Terms I've been a part of
    1st Underhusen
    2nd Underhusen
    3rd Underhusen
    6th Underhusen
    8th Underhusen
    Overhusen Terms I've been a part of
    5th Overhusen
    Families I've been a part of
    Kaizer - Matriarch (REFORMED)
    Kestar - Child of Wintermoot (REMOVED)
    Chanku
     
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