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It's really hard to talk about this because the option is
"Disable start bias: on/off"
And I want it off so the game has start biases and he wants it on so the game doesn't...

The start bias puts people at a disadvantage.  It is very much illogical.  We never played with it on before

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The start bias is a balancing mechanism of the game... It provides advantages and disadvantages across the board...
Callin' it illogical is... Well.. Absurd... By the same token not applying all the same bonus and unit advantages to every civ is illogical... Something which you would no doubt call absurd to think...

We have played with it on actually....

The start bias is a balancing mechanism of the game... It provides advantages and disadvantages across the board...
Callin' it illogical is... Well.. Absurd... By the same token not applying all the same bonus and unit advantages to every civ is illogical... Something which you would no doubt call absurd to think...

I have never seen it on.

As long as we have raging barbarians on that should be good enough, leave the start bias off.  It creates a disadvantage for a lot of people and doesn't help things.

It helps people more and for some there's a chance of being flat overpowered if they can land in the right place...

It helps people more and for some there's a chance of being flat overpowered if they can land in the right place...

Explain please

"Hi, I'm Egypt. I get a production bonus to wonders and because start biases were disabled I got placed in a forest I get a production bonus from that and now very early game can build a wonder in half a second."

"If I play predictively I can effectively steal ALL of the early game wonders..."

Are you accusing me of cheating to my own advantage?

No, it was just the first example I could think of... I can think of other's if you like...

I would love to play once I get a decent computer in September. I would have to insist playing with start bias on however, as my favourite civs to play as are Brazil and Venice, and Brazil without jungle looses its Unique Improvement and Venice without the glorious oceans looses both its Unique Unit and much of its trade advantage. I don't like raging barbs, but its not crippling.

Yeah. Venice needs start bias always... Otherwise it stinks. Same thing with Netherlands (swamp) and Morrocco (desert). They need their start biases to remain competitive in game.

The game ended with a diplomatic victory for me!

The game was very fun, but in my opinion it went on for far two long (six hours, not including an hour-long food break). We used the default turn timer settings, but I think sitting it to 1:30 would probably be better in the future. My goal is for a game to last no longer than three or four hours.

In any case, I presume the next game will be next weekend...any date/time good for anyone?

Wish I could have been there! Who was what Civ?

I played Egypt, Gov was Japan, and Hannah was Rome.