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[Discussion]Private Storting Forum Procedural Rules
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Laurentus
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  • Quote from: Procedural Rules of the Private Storting Forum
    Title

    1. This act shall be titled The Procedural Rules of the Private Storting Forum Act

    Act

    2. Members of the Storting shall adhere to a sunshine policy, which will consist out of the following:
        a) All topics which were discussed by the Storting, shall immediately be made public at the conclusion of a two-month session of the Storting.
        b) Only topics which are marked by the Speaker, Chairman or Monarch as 'unfit for public view' may remain in the subforum, and must then be reviewed every 14 days to determine whether the information held within may be released.
        c) Discussions which concern the possible Revocation of Citizenship must be released the moment they are finished, so as to remain transparent and for members of the Underhusen specifically to remain accountable.

    This is a work-in-progress. Any thoughts, criticisms and advice would be appreciated.
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    Reon
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  • I don't know if discussions regarding Revocations should be immediately released... I personally would see it suitable for them to be released at the end just like the others...
    And also! Is not the conclusion at the exact moment of the acceptance of the next batch? So... We'd be releasing after elections which seems... Questionable.
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    Laurentus
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  • I don't know if discussions regarding Revocations should be immediately released... I personally would see it suitable for them to be released at the end just like the others...
    And also! Is not the conclusion at the exact moment of the acceptance of the next batch? So... We'd be releasing after elections which seems... Questionable.
    Given the very sensitive nature of Revocations, it might be highly controversial to release them at the end with the rest. I have no preference either way, so I'm trying to see what the general consensus is.

    And could you perhaps specify what you find questionable about releasing everything at the end of each session? Since the Monarch can mark something as sensitive, I don't really foresee any complications.
    « Last Edit: June 11, 2015, 08:50:25 PM by Laurentus »
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  • When exactly does a term end? Before, during, or after elections?
    My issue would be finding it questionable if they were released during or after elections...
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    Laurentus
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  • How so?
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    Reon
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  • Less so during but if it was after elections than actions the voters would not approve would appear after they may have already re-elected a candidate who did things they disagree with...
    I don't like it for during just because it may dramatically shift the way conversations are going halfway through already having them, which I stylistically disagree with...
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    Laurentus
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  • I see what you mean. Perhaps then it should be set to the moment nominations for the next session begin?
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  • Something like that would be more beneficial and relaxed, I think yes... How far before the term is over is that though?
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    Laurentus
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  • Something like that would be more beneficial and relaxed, I think yes... How far before the term is over is that though?
    I'm not quite certain. @Wintermoot?
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  • That would be two weeks before the term is over...one week for nominations and one week for elections.


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  • That sounds like trouble. I see Reon's point, but perhaps the only way to make it work from a practical stand-point is to make everything public only when the elections are over and a new session begins.
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  • How about a law that would force the Storting to finish all business within twelve hours before the end of the session...or have a law that extends the session one hour after elections are over that is to be used to end any business and to release all topics.
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  • How about a law that would force the Storting to finish all business within twelve hours before the end of the session...or have a law that extends the session one hour after elections are over that is to be used to end any business and to release all topics.
    I wouldn't object.
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  • This could be done in two ways:

    The First way:
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    1. This shall be titled the Conclusion of Storting Business Act

    Conclusion Requirements
    2. At a minimum of twelve hours before the Storting Session ends the Speaker of the Underhusen must conclude all business within the Underhusen. This conclusion must finish within thirty-minutes of the end of the session. This section shall also apply to the Chairperson of the Overhusen.

    Penalties
    3. Failure to comply with this law will result in the Monarch being granted the authority to forcefully terminate all business, up to and including, releasing all classified documents from that session of Storting.

    Second Way:
    Quote
    Title
    1. This shall be titled the Conclusion of Storting Business act

    Conclusion
    2. After elections have ended, the new members shall not take seat for three hours until after all business has been concluded by the Storting and the Overhusen. During this time no voting and/or debate shall occur with in the halls of the Storting. Further all classified Storting discussions are to be released.

    Also Laurentus your bill is theoretically illegal. Due to the Fundamental Laws, Article VI, Section 5, Second Sentence which reads:
    Quote from: Fundamental Laws: Article VI - Section 5 (Second Sentence)
    No government official shall be empowered to make decisions in any of these areas.

    The name of the act, and the section b used could be seen as a potential violation of that section.  I also object to Sub-Section C, as I don't find it necessary to immediately release documents, and perhaps should be kept behind a wall for an extra session or so until tempers cool down.

    Anywho this is my suggested revision:
    Quote from: Regulations on Private Storting Discussions
    Title

    1. This act shall be titled The Regulation on Private Storting Discussions and the Storting Sunshine Policy

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    2. All private, or otherwise classified Storting discussions, shall follow these regulations and procedures.
        a) All topics which were discussed by the Storting, shall immediately be made public at the conclusion of a session of the Storting. Unless a motion is made, and passed with the agreement of a simple majority of two-thirds of the members of Storting.
        b) Only discussions which are marked by the Speaker, Chairman, Monarch or a super-majority of two-thirds, as 'unfit for public view' may remain private or otherwise classified, and must then be reviewed every 14 days to determine whether the information held within may be released.
    Changes include:
    • Title
    • Removal of Section C
    • Removal of Redundant language.
    • Inclusion of allowing topics to be declassified sooner than two-months.
    • Another way at increasing the length of classification
    • Removal of Article VI Section 5 violating terms.

    (Also a public audit option should be available as well, however that's not exactly in this bill as it's somewhat unnecessary.)
    See you later space cowboy.
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  • I prefer the second method, however some slight mistakes must be fixed:
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    Title
    1. This shall be titled the Conclusion of Storting Business act

    Conclusion
    2. After elections have ended, the new members shall not take seat for three hours until after all business has been concluded by the Storting. During this time no voting or debate shall occur with in the halls of the Storting. All classified Storting discussions are to be released, unless they have been marked as 'unfit for public view.'

    1. The Overhusen is part of the Storting, so I don't know why it had to be stated separately.
    2. 'Further' doesn't have to be used. The sentence makes complete sense without it.

    As stated, I have no preference for subsection c, one way or the other. If more citizens can chime in with their preference, this would go a lot better. I don't want to end up being accused of corruption somewhere down the road.

    And although I now see that b was indeed illegal, there has to be some way to keep certain things classified without going through a vote, such as documents relating to foreign relations. Perhaps a law can be added specifically for topics of such content?

    Taking these things I've said into account, I like your changes, but think it would be wise to wait for the rest of the citizenry to say how they feel about subsection c. Remember, we're in deeply controversial territory here.
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