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Root Host: Caitlinuwu

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I have read through all 200+ posts (in some cases again) and found a Werewolf Terminology list, so let's do this!

np

I see that's fine, I am on the other side a mafia nerd, I'm retiring to hosting mostly tho probably, but I just can't say no to Abigail

how would you resume your process as a town, even if casual, what do you normally do?

I hosted my first game last year. The whole game only had 90 posts, but I enjoyed the experience...more than playing, to be honest. But this seemed to be an important game for Abigail and Caitlin, was designed to be relatively casual, and I feel a bit bad for not being able to persuade more Wintreath people to join...so I figured I'd give it another try.

Back in the day most of the people who played knew each other (as most of you obviously do), so I would look for things that seemed out of character for them, or for people who tried to drive the game to a particular place for no apparent reason. Then as the game went on and there was more data about who'd been killed as town and wolves, I'd go back and see how that vibed with previous votes and noteworth events. I'd take a lot of notes too, especially for the crazy 500 posts a day games, but I hope it doesn't come to that here.

Upgrade nice but I'm never gonna blame you or the site or trash it when I know what you've done here

That's why I am for Werewolf UI updates if and when you can do them and don't worry too much about how long it takes

I think that's the kindest thing anybody's ever told me as Wintreath leader/admin/mod. <3

The upgrade should at least be more mobile-friendly and internalize a lot of the features we're relying on hacky mods for, such as likes, notifications, and multi-quote. it's just that...well, SMF's default skin sucks, so I have to update that, then incorporate years of customizations and expansions. Werewolf shouldn't be too bad to do...I made it later on when I was a better coder, and most of the code is actually independent of the forum code. It's just more skin-work to get the options on the topic page (vote buttons, etc).

Sorry, I don't often get a chance to talk about my work.

If I didn't know better I'd think you were a host of MoD based on your ISO this game. What are your actual thoughts on the game?

MoD? That one isn't in my dictionary. I assume you mean my posting about the technical aspects of things though...it's what I best know, I suppose, and given the chance I'd start promoting Wintreath in general. We can always use new members and Citizens in our community.

I feel like most of your posts are accusatory in some way, complete with judgements about how most players entered the game. It does come off as forceful and a bit contrived...I'm not sure that's enough for me to say you're suspicious though (although perhaps you would in my place ). Your point about pushing a game forward by applying pressure is well-taken, and feels like something Laurentus might have told me once when we were chatting about MU games. Or you could be a wolf that hopes to come off as a townlead (did I use that jargon right?). Either way, you've made yourself a center of attention for the entire round, and I'm not sure it's been to your benefit regardless of your role.

I don't understand the vote on Sugar Moon, although I'm probably just not comprehending...this game is heavy on jargon at times, and even with a dictionary it's a bit hard for me to process. @Rem mentioned his posts being contradictory, but I didn't understand how so. To some extent I wonder if he came under suspicion because he was the first to post his exact thoughts on all the active players. I haven't been able to focus on any theme behind his posts, so I don't have an opinion either way. That being said, I didn't agree at all when he said that starting out without meaningful interaction is suspicious. I can totally understand people wanting to start getting their posts in if they're busy and haven't had a chance to go over everything yet, especially when there's very little in the way of concrete facts. Not enough to cast any sort of judgement, just a disagreement.

That being said, if that behaviour continued for multiple rounds I might be more open to that argument.

It's completely irrelevant to the game, but I'm left wondering if Projekt Red is a furry (it's the "wuf wuf awooo", lol). That's not meant in a bad way, as Wintreath has an active furry community. More relevantly, I don't agree with the reasoning behind Oricorio's vote on them. Unless I missed something, Sugar Moon didn't wolfread them and went so far as to say not w/w. I don't get the idea of TWTBAW, but I gather getthing that vibe doesn't mean someone's a wolf. Anyone feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood any part of this.

Rem has come across to me as helpful, though I might be putting too much emotion into our non-game interactions on here last night. I didn't like the suspicion on Bellepi for saying that their claiming to be sick is a cause for suspicion...that seemed super-cynical, to the point of being jarring enough to write about it here. I don't know how the game is played on other websites, but if someone claims to be sick I'll take them at their word...if that makes me naive, well, I've been accused of such for far more serious things lol. Still, Projekt Red claims to have experience reading Rem in their vote, and that's probably more relevant than my enjoying some non-game centered conversation with him last night.

i caught some sort of illness and have been sleeping all the time/feeling awful so i havent really been focusing on the game as of late, i should get over it by next Day Phase cause i saw a doctor and got meds today

but ill try my best to put together thoughts before EoD today

Damn, I hope you feel better soon.

I think the most powerful phase is day 1, since it has a tendency to be the most active and like you mentioned stuff is just thrown against the wall.

Assume AI stuff was answered but if not it just means alignment indictive.

What happens most of the time is wolves just interact with each other without thinking because if you try to force yourself not to interact with your partner it just create pretty noticeable discrepancies between the slots.

That's the exact opposite of the thinking behind most traditional Wintreath games, where most people use a No Vote option because they don't want to accidentally vote off a townie and get the game off to a bad start. They reason that it's better for wolves to vote someone off because at least there's hard data to go on during the next day. Your point is well-taken though...this first day has certainly seen some dramatic moments lol.

That makes sense too...wolves would want to interact normally. It was just hard to see wolves pre-planning interactions around each other on the first day, and the consensus seems to be that that's not really a thing.

Thank you for making so much content, but I do have a question. Reading through your ISO I didn't get very much thoughts on players. You FOSd(Finger of Suspicion, basically a way of saying Suspected but didn't vote!) Oriocirio I believe, but didn't come to to much? 
TWTBAW is to wolfy to be a wolf. It's basically wolves try to seem townie, so somebody very blatently wolfy might be town! Hope that makes sense ^^.
I loved reading your posts by the way! As a starting point, may you give me your thoughts on Abigail? Ignoring all other posts, just your own? Thank you! 

Hey Oricorio, you seem like a pretty astute player

What happened yesterday, and who are you suspicious of because of it?

Winter voted Grace, likely for self-pres reasons but it's a bit interesting that they voted Grace over any of the options that already had a vote. Loona (who flipped town) and RDB followed them, but the latter tried to drop out at the last minute which was strange. If I had voted Winter when I was still around, it would have been tied 3-3 but I stayed on MR because I didn't want an early hammer. Overall, I feel RDB should probably be pressured here, as well as the people who weren't around (Bellepi for instance)

Yeah that is 100% fair, I was attempting to eat the night kill and play towny wim of a seer with some FPS and try to set up a 50/50 between Rem and me being seer but damn I was unhappy with Grace flipping seer. I was expecting host to announce when posts were free so I didnt think we were near EOD. I was trying to cause a bunch of ties to see where people moved. Should have just stayed on Winter and went about my day. Leashing my vote to Abbi/Neon today, only +ev town thing I can do.

What the hell does this last bit mean

I think that Rondo is a wolf. I can provide full reasonings later <3.
vote lynch rondo

Projekt Red: 3 (Wintermoot, Rem, Bellepi)
Sugar Moon: 5 (Projekt Red, Oricorio, ExLight, Loona, ☆ Princess Abigail ☆)

No Vote (Never Voted): Sugar Moon, Grace, RondoDimBuckle, Master Radishes

I would not be shocked if there's a bus here from Oricorio but I'm fairly confident this game is just 2/3 in Winter RDB Ori

Actually, considering that Rem and Bellepi are likely both town, wouldn't shock me at all if Wintermoot is just likely a wolf

Projekt Red: 3 (Wintermoot, Rem, Bellepi)
Sugar Moon: 5 (Projekt Red, Oricorio, ExLight, Loona, ☆ Princess Abigail ☆)

No Vote (Never Voted): Sugar Moon, Grace, RondoDimBuckle, Master Radishes

I would not be shocked if there's a bus here from Oricorio but I'm fairly confident this game is just 2/3 in Winter RDB Ori

Gun to head Winter is town.
I think 2/2 might be RBD Ori.

+ I kinda TR Rondo's last post for bad reasons

how to vote

Actually, considering that Rem and Bellepi are likely both town, wouldn't shock me at all if Wintermoot is just likely a wolf

I mean I don't think RBD Ori pure at all. I would also kinda feel bad for killing Winter.
I want them to answer my questions at least.

Projekt Red: 3 (Wintermoot, Rem, Bellepi)
Sugar Moon: 5 (Projekt Red, Oricorio, ExLight, Loona, ☆ Princess Abigail ☆)

No Vote (Never Voted): Sugar Moon, Grace, RondoDimBuckle, Master Radishes

I would not be shocked if there's a bus here from Oricorio but I'm fairly confident this game is just 2/3 in Winter RDB Ori

Gun to head Winter is town.
I think 2/2 might be RBD Ori.

I'm at Winter Ori, why do u have RBD

oh ok

[v] Wintermoot [/v]

hopefully this works

I meant to vote Oricorio anyways, wow I'm good at this game

Vote: Oricorio

I was going to call for a Red kill today to clear up wagons. But now I want Winter. Obviously present, big walls with no actual outcome, decided to try and get a town over instead of the wolf.

Vote: Wintermoot

Actually Luka, pretty sure this just is never SvS
Which means Oricorio is likely always mafia

And that's a really good post from RDB imo too

Especially when I consider that Oricorio came into today wanting to look at RDB and Bellepi

I really think Oricorio / Winter is just a better solve rn

I think that Rondo is a wolf. I can provide full reasonings later <3.
vote lynch rondo

You gotta use the vote button for it to count, btw

Projekt Red: 3 (Wintermoot, Rem, Bellepi)
Sugar Moon: 5 (Projekt Red, Oricorio, ExLight, Loona, ☆ Princess Abigail ☆)

No Vote (Never Voted): Sugar Moon, Grace, RondoDimBuckle, Master Radishes

I would not be shocked if there's a bus here from Oricorio but I'm fairly confident this game is just 2/3 in Winter RDB Ori

Gun to head Winter is town.
I think 2/2 might be RBD Ori.

I'm at Winter Ori, why do u have RBD

I re evaled towards town just ISOd them think there first page was super townie (p4)
I had them because they mentioned winter alot in the 4th page of isoing and didnt really act on it
Vote: Oricorio