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Grace's slank cover is lame, but not quite as lame as MR and Bellepi refusing to show up. I'm fine with a Wintermoot wagon, but won't vote right now as I don't want an early hammer.

Who do you think are the last 2 mafia and why?

I don't know...if I had any concrete ideas on certain people, would I be in this position?

But it seems to me that there are a few different categories of people at this point: people who voted and stuck with Projekt Red (myself and Bellapi), people who voted and stuck with Sugar Moon (you), people who changed their vote between the two (Rem, ExLight, Oricorio, and and Abbi), and people who didn't do day one and suddenly showed up today (Grace and RondoDimBuckle).

I asked about enforcement of the minimum post requirement in part because I'm wondering if there was host pressure on those two to come to the game or be removed from it, which would at least explain why they suddenly showed up. If there was no enforcement then it just looks like they suddenly showed up when it was more convenient to start playing, and that's not a good look.

Of those who switched votes, some seem to have had compelling reasons to do so, but most of that was the musical chairs played at the end of the round and it's mostly happenstance that they ended up landing where they did. Hard to know one way or another from that, but what good cover to be able to say that you voted for both of them to keep things nearly tied up?

As I mentioned before, Bellapi and I seem to have been in agreement about Sugar Moon, but I don't think that's suspicious, and I'll take him at his word that he's sick and that's why he hasn't been around since. Though given how things have gone that might be naive...I can say in Wintreath games that would be accepted without question, but there's obviously serious disconnects between how we played the game and how most people here do. In that at least this game has been illuminating.

And then there's you, the fortunate one who stuck with Sugar Moon most of the game.

If I were forced to rank suspicion, I'd start with the people who suddenly showed up, then look at the people who switched votes repeatedly at the end of the last round.

Right here I see several paragraphs of nothing. Can you actually give me two GTH wolf reads here?

Dont like voting day 1? You dont like giving information to town? Voting day 1 is the most important because it shows what you wanted to do. It doesnt lie. Not wanting to vote day 1 is -ev. I know if I hadnt forgotten about this game I would have voted d1. I would have voted you.

If you're going to try and side sus me like this, grow a pair and come out and attack me.

All I see in this is you saying why people are not town and woe is you. No solving, no town finding. I am back to voting you again.

I dont know why but when ever I see your wall posts I just think "wow, that has accomplished nothing and takes up a lot of my screen space" but hey maybe its just our playstyle differencesVote: Wintermoot

This is a bunch of contrived reasoning.

As I said before, hesitation to vote on day 1 isn't specific to me, it's part of the traditional Wintreath mindset to avoid killing off a townie at the very start of the game. Agree or don't agree with the mindset, but it's weird to attack me over our forum's Werewolf culture. Especially weird coming from someone who's benefitting from not being involved in day 1 at all.

Nowhere when I was explaining the situation I was in was I nearly as defensive as you. I just pointed out that you weren't around. Why so defensive? Is what I said untrue?

If you don't like my posts, you don't have to read them.

Oh you really dont know me. Its not helpful at all to share but I have forced a rand on myself as wolf to win the rand and win the game. I lost the rand of course. But hey if I did win the rand that game was in the bag. So anyone in this game will tell you that is a dangerous line of thought.


But luckily I am town this game so we can ignore it

I suppose I should quantify that then to say that it was never a thing in our traditional Wintreath games...most of our players were respectful and courteous in their actions and words toward each other, minus a few cases where things got heated.

You say you're "hesitant" to vote D1 (lame) yet you still voted. Can you explain in 1-2 sentences why you chose to vote Projekt over Moon, or why you chose to vote at all?

I think wintermoot has

1.good chance of being pushed by scum

2.not been very useful game wise

3. the extra downside of being in the red projekt wagon without not much elaboration


but to be fair Grace and master radishes are way worse in point 2

bellepi is okayish i  guess

rondo is only hanging on a claim above this, because the slot refuses to cooperate, while asking for cooperation, a clear contradiction.

the odds of the entire team being potato sacks and not helping is high because many people are being potato sacks and not helping case people

I guess we can leave radishes to be mod killed or something

and if there's a wolf in actives is between loona and EX

Vote: ExLight

for science

No Vote (Never Voted): Wintermoot, Bellepi, Master Radishes, Loona

Considering a wolf no voted yesterday not a fan that winter didnt vote early considering he is on the chopping block, Belle not voting is also intersting. MR cmon man, Loona at least voted d1 but has posted so could have voted 

Actually idk if majority rule applies here

Vote: Unvote

its 6

Dont like voting day 1? You dont like giving information to town? Voting day 1 is the most important because it shows what you wanted to do. It doesnt lie. Not wanting to vote day 1 is -ev. I know if I hadnt forgotten about this game I would have voted d1. I would have voted you.

If you're going to try and side sus me like this, grow a pair and come out and attack me.

All I see in this is you saying why people are not town and woe is you. No solving, no town finding. I am back to voting you again.

I dont know why but when ever I see your wall posts I just think "wow, that has accomplished nothing and takes up a lot of my screen space" but hey maybe its just our playstyle differencesVote: Wintermoot

This is a bunch of contrived reasoning.

As I said before, hesitation to vote on day 1 isn't specific to me, it's part of the traditional Wintreath mindset to avoid killing off a townie at the very start of the game. Agree or don't agree with the mindset, but it's weird to attack me over our forum's Werewolf culture. Especially weird coming from someone who's benefitting from not being involved in day 1 at all.

Nowhere when I was explaining the situation I was in was I nearly as defensive as you. I just pointed out that you weren't around. Why so defensive? Is what I said untrue?

If you don't like my posts, you don't have to read them.

Oh you really dont know me. Its not helpful at all to share but I have forced a rand on myself as wolf to win the rand and win the game. I lost the rand of course. But hey if I did win the rand that game was in the bag. So anyone in this game will tell you that is a dangerous line of thought.


But luckily I am town this game so we can ignore it

I suppose I should quantify that then to say that it was never a thing in our traditional Wintreath games...most of our players were respectful and courteous in their actions and words toward each other, minus a few cases where things got heated.

Interesting that you read it as defensive. I like to think of it as proactive attack on a wolf tryin to sus me. 

Thats a lie, we are in the game together, I have to sort you. If I dont ready our posts I cant do that. This doesnt match with the game. 

You have yet to give me anyone to vote over you.

I find that a little friction helps my solving process. I dont have anything specifically against you. I just want to play with my spikey gloves on this game.

Someone fill me on the latest stuff

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Who do you think are the last 2 mafia and why?

I don't know...if I had any concrete ideas on certain people, would I be in this position?

But it seems to me that there are a few different categories of people at this point: people who voted and stuck with Projekt Red (myself and Bellapi), people who voted and stuck with Sugar Moon (you), people who changed their vote between the two (Rem, ExLight, Oricorio, and and Abbi), and people who didn't do day one and suddenly showed up today (Grace and RondoDimBuckle).

I asked about enforcement of the minimum post requirement in part because I'm wondering if there was host pressure on those two to come to the game or be removed from it, which would at least explain why they suddenly showed up. If there was no enforcement then it just looks like they suddenly showed up when it was more convenient to start playing, and that's not a good look.

Of those who switched votes, some seem to have had compelling reasons to do so, but most of that was the musical chairs played at the end of the round and it's mostly happenstance that they ended up landing where they did. Hard to know one way or another from that, but what good cover to be able to say that you voted for both of them to keep things nearly tied up?

As I mentioned before, Bellapi and I seem to have been in agreement about Sugar Moon, but I don't think that's suspicious, and I'll take him at his word that he's sick and that's why he hasn't been around since. Though given how things have gone that might be naive...I can say in Wintreath games that would be accepted without question, but there's obviously serious disconnects between how we played the game and how most people here do. In that at least this game has been illuminating.

And then there's you, the fortunate one who stuck with Sugar Moon most of the game.

If I were forced to rank suspicion, I'd start with the people who suddenly showed up, then look at the people who switched votes repeatedly at the end of the last round.

Where is Master Radishes?

This is angle shooting at best and wolfy reaching for low hanging fruit at worst. There is no way to tell why we were gone. I can tell you it was because I literally didnt know the game had started and had to be poked by the host. But I could also be a lying wolf. So instead, why not talk about my content from today? I have already said for not a lot that it was worth I would have voted you d1, its a majority of the reason I am voting you d2 (It also helps that I see you as compatible with sugar)

It is a common thing in syndicate that some people (Myself and Neon) Like to force ties closer to EOD. It isnt neccicaryly good behaviour but Its helpful to see who changes up the wagon

Again there is no conclusion to this post. This is what I have pointed out as my issue all day. You have talked about everyone but you have not at any point said "this person is who we should be voting instead of me"

I think wintermoot has

1.good chance of being pushed by scum

2.not been very useful game wise

3. the extra downside of being in the red projekt wagon without not much elaboration


but to be fair Grace and master radishes are way worse in point 2

bellepi is okayish i  guess

rondo is only hanging on a claim above this, because the slot refuses to cooperate, while asking for cooperation, a clear contradiction.

the odds of the entire team being potato sacks and not helping is high because many people are being potato sacks and not helping case people

I guess we can leave radishes to be mod killed or something

and if there's a wolf in actives is between loona and EX

I legit don't understand why you think either me or loona are scum when we both were the critical people in pushing for the sugar moon lynch

I'm curious, are in-depth posts not a thing else where? I don't consider anything I've posted to be giant or a wall of text...they're actually short by NationStates standards.

I've noticed people have a tendency to make bursts of short posts in a row, and I initially thought it was to easy reach the minimum post count, but now I'm wondering if it's more a cultural thing.

I wouldnt say they are not a thing. But they tend to directly acuse people or point to difinitive outcomes or push a frame of mind that explains a worldview. 

would appreciate if cait poked some inactive people privately 

Wint I'll reply to ur giant post after I'm free.

I'm curious, are in-depth posts not a thing else where? I don't consider anything I've posted to be giant or a wall of text...they're actually short by NationStates standards.

I've noticed people have a tendency to make bursts of short posts in a row, and I initially thought it was to easy reach the minimum post count, but now I'm wondering if it's more a cultural thing.

Depends on the person, I don't do them. I like small and concise posts myself.

Actually idk if majority rule applies here

Vote: Unvote

Majority applied once day 2 started.

Soo I have seen you post after the original post I have highlighted and yet no response. 

Grace's slank cover is lame, but not quite as lame as MR and Bellepi refusing to show up. I'm fine with a Wintermoot wagon, but won't vote right now as I don't want an early hammer.

Why not a Bellepi wagon over winter? He is obviously more active than her. Why are you ok chopping the high activity player over the low?

Why not you? Why shouldnt we chop you? What solving have you done today? 

You point at the slackers but I havent seen you doing anything. You have been here sure. But you are basically a slacker too