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ExLight is perhaps my top town for I do believe they are genuinely trying to solve my alignment and do not have it.

Caitlin ah dear Caitlin. It is a difficult proposition articulating suspicion on you in a way that I am confident won't aggrieve you so I shan't reiterate my prior point. Apologies if I have the wrong of you.

Leesbra, at an earlier point of the game I felt like Leesbra was coming off awkward... "stilted" being the word. But Luka dropped a very flippant townread on them. My thought at the time was, well maybe Luka can be wrong. But as the game has unfolded Caitlin has also come to the defense of Leesbra strongly. I learn over time that this means Leesbra is probably town, particularly when one of the players shielding them is mafia.

Michi > Jamie, during catch up Jamie made a few posts I quite thought were townie. I forget what they said exactly but their reads felt organic.

Callahan I was perhaps wrong on. In that I defended them to Jay. But subsequent to this interaction they have not profiled as the same type of player in further interactions. Their Jay read developed into a quite oddball townread and outside of their flirtation with tunneling KOFM himself their play has been chaotic in a way that doesn't feel townie. Less pursuit of solutions and more pursuit of resolutions if you catch my meaning.

Luka is an enigma. They remind me of one of my versions. It feels like they steamed into the game issuing takes to generate impressions but has had an emotion draining event occur and ergo has been unable to maintain. I leave alone for now. I think lightly townie to blatantly fall off.

JJJ is town but not overwhelmingly so as yet. They seem progressive, which is good. And need continue to be. Heed my words that if at any stage I'm gone and Jay remains alive, his momentum must maintain or improve. Any falling off should be viewed with high scepticism. Any laziness. On merit his play has felt mostly genuine and his solving has been the most coherent and rational to me. And we must reward good behaviour!

Serif's entry was quite nice. I felt some joy. There was no apprehension. A little bit of playfulness. I give them time.

IceT is as described suspicious to me.

Numbers, curious how I'm their top town but I largely believe I'm mind melding with their other solves.

I feel that if Numbers, Jay, ExLight and myself were able to find each other. We may have a good outcome on this day and in this game. It feels like the towncore to me, but I am aware I perhaps haven't earned entry.

I really like this post

Bit weird how I dropped to near last on Icet's list but was in the top 3 last time?

IceT that question is quite odd. Firstly I have at length explained to you why I suspect you and all you need to do is read the posts available to you.

Secondly no I'm not suspecting you due to your read on me being anti consensus albeit the fact that it is lends me to think that it is not as reasonable a read as you think it is.

At any rate your response is rather townie.

Jay what is your issue with Jamie?

heya Cait

please don't tunnel on me again cait, I'm town again

this prob isnt w/w

Quoting on this forum is so hard alongside the sounds

Lol that reminds me of champs spec chat

Ppl had a theory that 'Hey everyone' actually was my towntell, and 'Hey' my scumtell

Because I always start with one of the two, unlike what Luka says...

I only said you don’t start with it in night starts as town. The joke is you die.

this is daystart?

Also I suppose I should intro since I think Ex is the only one I know here...

I'm JayDreven (JD), Numbers, 15377 (specifically), NoName, Queenie, HangryHangryHippo, BlackDiagonalDragon, Hail_Hydra (1/2), umm....that might be all the names I've played under. I possibly have more years playing mafia than some of you have life experience. I will questionably be the lowest poster here. MU loves it when I do that in the hydra event too. I generally consider myself mediocre at this game.

Also I'll be basing my day 1 reads based strictly on who does and doesn't bandwagon Cait.

townie

Critical mission objective: determine how to deactivate PM notifications of every quote and mention.

I want to know as well 😭

I can't be bothered to quote anything but I think jimmy's starting posts are super townie, somewhat cait as well

By the way, @Caitlinuwu I made a small lie. It isnt in my favorite players to play with, its my favorite people online. Small distinction
You would be Number 8 if we're only counting mafia players.

where am I



fyi don't think Luka / Cait are w/w or Luka / Jimmy (not entirely sure on Luka / Jimmy)

Hi! Just want to stop in!

I'm Callahan : )

I'll be rereading what I missed, but excited to play with you all! Already at 10 pages so, the game is pretty active, which is good!

Hello there Callahan. Usually I wouldn’t be this active, but with a post minimum and whatever rule Caitlin was talking about, I kinda have to.
Either way welcome on.

The rule is cait kills you if you low post

skill issue
WIM IS COMPLETELY AI FOR LUKA BTW
they low post as town and high post as scum

Quote 1: Unsure if I should feel honored, or insulted by this attention! If you are implying that I'm already really wolfy, then you should vote me though. And Idk how informative votes on me will rlly be? I tend to attract both town and mafia voting me, usually

Neither? Luka's mini-push had put you as a front and center focal point early in the game so seeing how people react to that is what I'll claim my reads are based on but in reality since I don't know meta behind most of the players here I'll probably just be going off vibes today while I get a sense of everybody.

For example, Luka seemed to be intentionally hard town reading people on the fly for nothing as a manner of reading their reactions. The initial read is irrelevant and the true read lies in how they respond to being town read. For me this is town points to Luka because it provides a better read than gauging people off a hard push/suggested wagon (while they also did that it was more jokey/less follow through) which would be aimed at just stirring turmoil.

pretty sure that's what scum Luka does I don't recall town luka reading people that way off the top of my head Vote: Luka think im doing it right?

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

that's why I TR Jimmy


you might be right Jimmy could be Mafia but I'm TRing them for now and I think you're town for making this post lol

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

This is a very uncharitable interpretation of what I had to say.

First of all, reducing a player's effort to explain a thought process clearly to "look at me I'm so townie and progressive" is incredibly unfair. You've taken a post where I had quite a lot to say, and you have twisted it in whatever manner you can to portray it as me saying nothing. Time to color code.

Green: You have referenced a portion of my post where I described why "Leesbra's second game" it is important to me and asked me why I brought up Leesbra's second game. The answer to that question is in the post. Players often fall into particular archetypes when they are brand new to the game, and I described what I have often observed from players who are brand new to the game. That is absolutely relevant to interpreting Leesbra's alignment, and I described precisely why I felt that way.

Suggesting my commentary is "nothing" or "pointless" or "overcompensating" without actually engaging with any of it is disingenuous. I don't like that.

Orange: Absolutely no thanks. I provided the direction earlier in the post (and in the post that preceded it on the same topic): here's why I think there's a valid reason to town read Leesbra. That is a direction. You are quoting a post that expresses that direction. It's right there. And in that third paragraph, I acknowledged that it's not a super confident read, and that I am not certain. That's called being responsible with a take. And yet even still, in the very same third paragraph, I reiterated my viewpoint. I have often seen brand new town players do what Leesbra did.

Red: This extends from the orange bit, really, but it drives home why I don't like this so much. You would have to ignore the words in the post to come to this conclusion about it. Of course I accept that my read can be taken with a grain of salt, and I should. Anyone that doesn't allow for that in a read they've made on someone they've never played with before is being a little ridiculous.

I struggle to believe that you read my post in good faith and came to those conclusions. It looks like you decided what your read on me was and then formulated an argument to justify it.

Vote: callahan

don't know if you guys still suspect each other don't think you are voting each other last time I checked, but I think you 2 are t/t. Luka is the scum here though.

posting this now so y'all know I existed and so this doesn't get too long I read up to page 11

Wim is AI in that I do it more as scum, however I still can have high WIM as town. You know this for a fact and neglecting this is really funny to me 

Bit weird how I dropped to near last on Icet's list but was in the top 3 last time?

reevalling go brrr

less than one hour remaining get schmoving folks

By all means do things.

unusual for Luka to make reads in general that early in the game

I'd be interested to know how @Luka feels about this take (or anyone else that knows Luka).

heya Cait

please don't tunnel on me again cait, I'm town again

this prob isnt w/w

Quoting on this forum is so hard alongside the sounds

Lol that reminds me of champs spec chat

Ppl had a theory that 'Hey everyone' actually was my towntell, and 'Hey' my scumtell

Because I always start with one of the two, unlike what Luka says...

I only said you don’t start with it in night starts as town. The joke is you die.

this is daystart?

Also I suppose I should intro since I think Ex is the only one I know here...

I'm JayDreven (JD), Numbers, 15377 (specifically), NoName, Queenie, HangryHangryHippo, BlackDiagonalDragon, Hail_Hydra (1/2), umm....that might be all the names I've played under. I possibly have more years playing mafia than some of you have life experience. I will questionably be the lowest poster here. MU loves it when I do that in the hydra event too. I generally consider myself mediocre at this game.

Also I'll be basing my day 1 reads based strictly on who does and doesn't bandwagon Cait.

townie

Critical mission objective: determine how to deactivate PM notifications of every quote and mention.

I want to know as well 😭

I can't be bothered to quote anything but I think jimmy's starting posts are super townie, somewhat cait as well

By the way, @Caitlinuwu I made a small lie. It isnt in my favorite players to play with, its my favorite people online. Small distinction
You would be Number 8 if we're only counting mafia players.

where am I



fyi don't think Luka / Cait are w/w or Luka / Jimmy (not entirely sure on Luka / Jimmy)

Hi! Just want to stop in!

I'm Callahan : )

I'll be rereading what I missed, but excited to play with you all! Already at 10 pages so, the game is pretty active, which is good!

Hello there Callahan. Usually I wouldn’t be this active, but with a post minimum and whatever rule Caitlin was talking about, I kinda have to.
Either way welcome on.

The rule is cait kills you if you low post

skill issue
WIM IS COMPLETELY AI FOR LUKA BTW
they low post as town and high post as scum

Quote 1: Unsure if I should feel honored, or insulted by this attention! If you are implying that I'm already really wolfy, then you should vote me though. And Idk how informative votes on me will rlly be? I tend to attract both town and mafia voting me, usually

Neither? Luka's mini-push had put you as a front and center focal point early in the game so seeing how people react to that is what I'll claim my reads are based on but in reality since I don't know meta behind most of the players here I'll probably just be going off vibes today while I get a sense of everybody.

For example, Luka seemed to be intentionally hard town reading people on the fly for nothing as a manner of reading their reactions. The initial read is irrelevant and the true read lies in how they respond to being town read. For me this is town points to Luka because it provides a better read than gauging people off a hard push/suggested wagon (while they also did that it was more jokey/less follow through) which would be aimed at just stirring turmoil.

pretty sure that's what scum Luka does I don't recall town luka reading people that way off the top of my head Vote: Luka think im doing it right?

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

that's why I TR Jimmy


you might be right Jimmy could be Mafia but I'm TRing them for now and I think you're town for making this post lol

I do think there's some validity to interpreting Leesbra's Steve Buscemi post as towny. I can't speak to Luka's rationale, and they ought to expand on what led them to that viewpoint.

I'll expand on my impression. I am content to believe that this is Leesbra's second game ever. For such a new player, there is often a natural resistance to or fear of the mere concept of someone making reads (let alone confident reads) based on game-entry content. The nerves inherent to a new player, including or especially a new town player, tend to make them more disinclined to make reads like that. They're slow, they're confused, and they're turbulent. It's perfectly okay to be those things, and it would lend itself to a mindset like like one Leesbra expressed: the way some people are already theorizing about who is a werewolf is a bit concerning.

This can be taken with a fair grain of salt since the game is so young, and it's not a thoroughly developed impression. But I have seen this kind of thing before from brand new town players, and they have often responded that way to me for engaging straightaway in a similar manner to Luka's opening to this game.

Okay, after rereading, I think the only thing that actually stood out to me was JJJ. I just feel like they are doing too much. I'm unsure if it's just how they play naturally but there is a fine line between "Look at me! I'm so townie and progressive!" and "I'm overcompensating because I'm scum and I want to be quickly town read." It's the beginning of the game, and they are already thinking too deeply about certain matters such as this post above. The middle paragraph specifically, like I'm reading this and all I'm thinking is what is the point of this? Why are you analyzing if it's this person's second game or not, and what traits they should have? It's just too much for no reason, and I'm unsure if it's playstyle or just you feel the need to overcompensate for something. And then their third paragraph is just completely discrediting themselves? I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this post. What is the intent behind this, because all I see is just a pile of words that actually have no direction behind them, especially after you accept that your post can be taken with a grain of salt?

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

This is a very uncharitable interpretation of what I had to say.

First of all, reducing a player's effort to explain a thought process clearly to "look at me I'm so townie and progressive" is incredibly unfair. You've taken a post where I had quite a lot to say, and you have twisted it in whatever manner you can to portray it as me saying nothing. Time to color code.

Green: You have referenced a portion of my post where I described why "Leesbra's second game" it is important to me and asked me why I brought up Leesbra's second game. The answer to that question is in the post. Players often fall into particular archetypes when they are brand new to the game, and I described what I have often observed from players who are brand new to the game. That is absolutely relevant to interpreting Leesbra's alignment, and I described precisely why I felt that way.

Suggesting my commentary is "nothing" or "pointless" or "overcompensating" without actually engaging with any of it is disingenuous. I don't like that.

Orange: Absolutely no thanks. I provided the direction earlier in the post (and in the post that preceded it on the same topic): here's why I think there's a valid reason to town read Leesbra. That is a direction. You are quoting a post that expresses that direction. It's right there. And in that third paragraph, I acknowledged that it's not a super confident read, and that I am not certain. That's called being responsible with a take. And yet even still, in the very same third paragraph, I reiterated my viewpoint. I have often seen brand new town players do what Leesbra did.

Red: This extends from the orange bit, really, but it drives home why I don't like this so much. You would have to ignore the words in the post to come to this conclusion about it. Of course I accept that my read can be taken with a grain of salt, and I should. Anyone that doesn't allow for that in a read they've made on someone they've never played with before is being a little ridiculous.

I struggle to believe that you read my post in good faith and came to those conclusions. It looks like you decided what your read on me was and then formulated an argument to justify it.

Vote: callahan

don't know if you guys still suspect each other don't think you are voting each other last time I checked, but I think you 2 are t/t. Luka is the scum here though.

posting this now so y'all know I existed and so this doesn't get too long I read up to page 11

Wim is AI in that I do it more as scum, however I still can have high WIM as town. You know this for a fact and neglecting this is really funny to me

hehe actually I've really wanted to see whether you'd pocket me response or accuse me of it

I'm testing something ignore me

I think I will retract my vote and suspicion on Leesbra for now.

Vote: IcetFeelsPain

But Leesbra didnt rlly do much more

Back, btw

I have explained my re-evaluation of Leesbra in subsequent posts. It is largely due to your own read so I'm curious why you are taking issue with me developing a townread on your townread? 

Dont rlly feel that comfortable to livepost with this system so I'll be pretty silent this EoD after all sorry

Just bothering me that I'm behind and its so annoying that it keeps being like '1 more post' every time I click post

I think I will retract my vote and suspicion on Leesbra for now.

Vote: IcetFeelsPain

But Leesbra didnt rlly do much more

Back, btw

I have explained my re-evaluation of Leesbra in subsequent posts. It is largely due to your own read so I'm curious why you are taking issue with me developing a townread on your townread?

Well I thought the progress was weird? I wouldve read more on it but I literally just returned, so I didnt know you wrote more on it.

wait nvm I do remember calling Bob scum I voted them lol I think they're town now

Yes highly curious behaviour. 

Jay what is your issue with Jamie?

Jamie is probably the only player for whom I hold some concrete suspicion that cannot, as yet, be challenged by the meta provided by anyone else. They seem floaty, and I have reasons to question the sincerity of some of their town reads.

Was there something in particular you liked from them?

Bit weird how I dropped to near last on Icet's list but was in the top 3 last time?

reevalling go brrr

Not too believable but okay