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Some of the squad here has indicated town reading ExLight. I'd appreciate hearing more about why that is. @Caitlinuwu @Luka I believe each of you apply.

What's your read on me?
Accurate one and Gun to the head one

Honestly, ExLight's pop-in here is underwhelming. Clearly, they read some of the chat but they only ask about whose alt Bob is (when that was said) and ask this

No reads at all

My reads are mainly townleans and nulls on the inactive people. I'm laying back waiting for some proper action to happen.

The game is very slow and me prodding a player I consider of interest is my way of forming a better read on them, I'm not sure why that's "underwhelming" when it isn't even addressed at you.
I'm not sure why you want me to just vomit fluff instead of trying to gather info the way I consider best. If you want me to update or remind you of them you can always just ask me instead of throwing shade?

1) Which players do you townlean?
2) Why did you suddenly show up?
You say that's your way of forming reads, yet the read department you have been lacking in it feels like. And why does it have to be addressed at me. I'm not the only player that has to be solved? I already know my own alignment too, after all. And you can make reads that aren't fluff?? Since when is contributing posting fluff. That's just an insult to everyone actually doing stuff. And well I need to find a mafia so I shade you? EoD is in a couple of hours, and it's a 5-way tie. Imo that's late enough to be allowed to shade people?

1) You, Luka, Leesbra, JJJ, Callahan
2) My timing is that good. I just came back from taking my mother to the hospital and doing groceries and decided to check the thread, not sure what this has to do with the game?

To each their way of scumhunting, JJJ's reply helped me decide which way to lean him as I explained previously, and that's what matters to me for now.
I don't see why you expect me to put up a show or to try hard to solve the game D1 if it's when we have the least amount of information and the worst readslists and will change drastically depending on how the EoD + Flip goes. 

I'm not comfortable taking the role of town leader right now when I don't have a confident case on anybody. I am looking for but haven't caught anyone making farfetched or contradictory pushes, nor any weird behavior that I might consider pocketing (except maybe the Bob thing, but it's hard to tell the line between their proper in-thread play and roleplay). 

I am assuming pretty much everyone here is experienced enough to know how that vote dynamic is important in vanilla-ish games. So will be willing to partake in those if the opportunity comes like the wagons growing slightly more well defined.
Speaking of votes, you're upset about the 4/5-way tie but at the same time you're still hesitant to break it and voting elsewhere instead and decided to prod me, who you had as a townlean previously instead of trying to get a better read on one of the voted ones, which really doesn't help solve the issue?

why does the website have my IP

i am in your walls
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I CAN LIKE POSTS LETS GO

IUDWHUIWD NO NO I THOUGHT THE SAME 

why does the website have my IP

Every website has your ip this one just displays it for you to see. Nobody else can see it. Probably. 

Jk they can't. I don't think i even can and I'm a mod.

OKAY I have two town reads, the numbers are building up. The town core is being created right now.

Here is what I have in why, discuss my reasons, do you like them? Do you agree with them? Are you like wtf is this, like girl? Do you disagree with them? -

Cait, now she's is in my humble opinion, actually pushing for major progress, like she's replies a lot and her questions and opinions are for town's progression. She is not afraid to throw hands, which I think she did with Luka, I'll have to actually read their argument sorry I didn't read it. WE NEED PEOPLE THROWING HANDS, I feel like nobody is like arguing arguing, everybody is just dancing around people. We need people to be like I don't like this post.

JJJ, we tussled a little bit, now I believe my reasons are valid, bc I'm stubborn, but that doesn't mean he can't be town, I've been watching him, and I do like their progression, they are asking for meta and like being hmm about things, is it a playstyle clash between us, probs. I like how he's asking about my playstye to Cait, like yes, is what I'm doing odd? Is there something I'm doing scummy that somebody I have played with can tell him! LIKE YES ASK THOSE QUESTIONS! Do I like how he ran away from the argument, no, but it's for a good reason as it is forums and u don't wanna cloud up the space. Which is a townie thought for forums.

Everybody else, not sure yet, I'll reread and stuff.

Vote: Unvote

I wanna expand on this on the throwing hands part, now I know that Cait can be an aggressive player, like trust me, I be afraid to tussle sometimes LOL. But, I don't think scum right now in this forum will be trying to throw hands with people so early on, because it draws attention to them, I think they will be like meek. Like oh I don't want to get on anybody's bad side because if I say something wrong, I will be sussed out. That's how I'm thinking scum will be playing right now. So, anybody who is meek in my opinion, I will be voting you. 

I wanna expand on this on the throwing hands part, now I know that Cait can be an aggressive player, like trust me, I be afraid to tussle sometimes LOL. But, I don't think scum right now in this forum will be trying to throw hands with people so early on, because it draws attention to them, I think they will be like meek. Like oh I don't want to get on anybody's bad side because if I say something wrong, I will be sussed out. That's how I'm thinking scum will be playing right now. So, anybody who is meek in my opinion, I will be voting you.

This is a decent summary of my concern with Jamie (though I know you weren't referring to a specific player).

I wanna expand on this on the throwing hands part, now I know that Cait can be an aggressive player, like trust me, I be afraid to tussle sometimes LOL. But, I don't think scum right now in this forum will be trying to throw hands with people so early on, because it draws attention to them, I think they will be like meek. Like oh I don't want to get on anybody's bad side because if I say something wrong, I will be sussed out. That's how I'm thinking scum will be playing right now. So, anybody who is meek in my opinion, I will be voting you.

This is a decent summary of my concern with Jamie (though I know you weren't referring to a specific player).

Hold on, let me read what you said about them then. 

Sure. I didn't quite describe my concern in those terms, but it's a closely related idea. Generous or frivolous town reads without much confidence (on my part) that they are founded on the right things (which could be related to "staying on peoples'good sides").

Hey everyone, I’m Jamie, looking forward to playing with you.
You might have been able to guess but I’ve played with ExLight before, but I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure of playing with anyone else here before.

My current thoughts on everything that’s happened so far in thread is that:

• Luka has looked good to me, actively trying to create discussion and general response to everything is making me town lean them.
• With JJJ and Callahan’s argument I think JJJ looks better to me, I agree with the point that early reads should be taken with a pinch of salt, but eventually you should be having full confidence in your reads.
• Caitlin and Ex look fine to me as of right now
• Leesbra I do not have a confident read on but they have been towny enough so far, their earlier stance on post activity I did not agree with and it felt kinda coasty to me with the “locked” town read from Luka.
• For everyone else I do not yet have an opinion on them.

Some of this pinged me. Let's talk about it, Jamie.

The first two bullets are a bit lukewarm for lack of a better word. The view about Luka strikes me as defaulted. I'm not sure Luka had to clear much of a barrier to reach this town lean. And I'm not sure the view about me "looking better" is coming from the right stuff in my argument with callahan. I may indeed be right about the idea that early game confidence is allowed to be relaxed, but I'm not sure why that would make me look better (i.e., look more town, assuming that is the intended interpretation). That's a philosophy more than it's a read. I'd appreciate if you could expand on these things.

Is this what you are referring too? 

Is this what you are referring too?

Yep

Sure. I didn't quite describe my concern in those terms, but it's a closely related idea. Generous or frivolous town reads without much confidence (on my part) that they are founded on the right things (which could be related to "staying on peoples'good sides").

What do you mean by founded on the right things? Are you agreeing with what they are saying? 

Sure. I didn't quite describe my concern in those terms, but it's a closely related idea. Generous or frivolous town reads without much confidence (on my part) that they are founded on the right things (which could be related to "staying on peoples'good sides").

What do you mean by founded on the right things? Are you agreeing with what they are saying?

I agree with some of their conclusions (e.g., townish on Cait). It's the rationale that I question more than the concluding reads. One example was their town read of me, which seemed to be driven by a philosophy I held in the argument between you and I (that posting a read without total confidence is appropriate) rather than something truly alignment-indicative. I'll extend that grievance to the fact that they didn't quite give a perspective about you.

I looked back over Numbers, and my impression is similar as for ExLight. Their posts exist.

I am a bit unclear on their reads, which at times seem sort of "implied" rather than stated clearly. @Numbers, I'd appreciate if you could clarify where you stand on everyone. A reads list or something similar would be super.

Separate note: I somewhat null on GloriousBob, but I also know them very well as a player. I am not bothered by their posts to this point and want to let them flourish a bit in their own way. I probably won't vote there today.