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[PASSED]: Third Session of the Underhusen Seating Act
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    1. This act will be cited as the Third Session of the Underhusen Seating Act.
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    2. The third session of the Wintreath Underhusen shall be composed of five (5) Representatives.
    This bill now enters a 48 hour debate period.
    « Last Edit: April 07, 2014, 12:58:53 AM by Denth Rowan »
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  • Why not seven Skrifa?
    See you later space cowboy.
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  • Chanku, I, sadly, think we don't have enough active members to raise it to seven, even six.
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    <+IH> There needs to be some constant to life that we can hold onto, something extremely difficult to find if we are constantly on the move.
    <@Vidarr> I hold onto the constant of change
    <+IH> How delightfully paradoxical.

    <@IH> Omega also suits you, it’s the symbol for electrical resistance.
    <@Delta> Are you saying I'm slow? :P
    <@IH> You were a component (see what I did there?) of the resistance in Wintreath, were you not?

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  • I'd be interested at trialling it at six this term, but I feel seven would definitely be too high. Perhaps the best way to create activity is to provide opportunity for it.
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  • I'd be interested at trialling it at six this term, but I feel seven would definitely be too high. Perhaps the best way to create activity is to provide opportunity for it.


    Six wouldn't provide a tie breaker though.
    Your other point is much more interesting. I think we should consider this. Do we feel like more spots will bring more activity?
    I think it might.
    Vidarr Braighart Kasten
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    <+IH> There needs to be some constant to life that we can hold onto, something extremely difficult to find if we are constantly on the move.
    <@Vidarr> I hold onto the constant of change
    <+IH> How delightfully paradoxical.

    <@IH> Omega also suits you, it’s the symbol for electrical resistance.
    <@Delta> Are you saying I'm slow? :P
    <@IH> You were a component (see what I did there?) of the resistance in Wintreath, were you not?

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  • Perhaps grant the Speaker the right in a tie-breaker to either change their vote or claim victory for their side of the argument. This comes with a further 24 hours of time for both sides to place any additional arguments before him/her.
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  • Or maybe the king(or the speaker) can appoint a member for the vote if it is tied. They are only active for the vote and should only be chosen when the vote is tied.
    See you later space cowboy.
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  • I think the speaker idea works. Isn't that what the VP does in the US when there's a tie in the Senate or the House?
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    <+IH> There needs to be some constant to life that we can hold onto, something extremely difficult to find if we are constantly on the move.
    <@Vidarr> I hold onto the constant of change
    <+IH> How delightfully paradoxical.

    <@IH> Omega also suits you, it’s the symbol for electrical resistance.
    <@Delta> Are you saying I'm slow? :P
    <@IH> You were a component (see what I did there?) of the resistance in Wintreath, were you not?

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  • Yes, but last I checked the Speaker doesn't vote unless there is a tie, which 6 counts all including the speaker
    See you later space cowboy.
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  • I can vote on anything, even if there is no tie.

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  • Yes, therefor having the Speaker break the tie is somewhat impossible.
    See you later space cowboy.
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  • My suggestion for Speaker tie-breaker votes is as follows.

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    For: 3 votes (1 Speaker Vote)
    Against: 3 votes

    In this situation, the Speaker has the tie-breaker vote. He can either decide to grant victory to his choice (for) and allow
    them to win despite not having a majority, or he can switch his vote to Against:

    For: 2 votes
    Against: 4 votes (1 Speaker Vote)

    In which case, Against will obviously win due to a majority. If he decides to grant victory, it'll be:

    For: 3 votes (1 Speaker Vote) +1 Tiebreak vote
    Against: 3 votes
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  • The Chair wishes to return to the original order of business.

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  • There is already procedure for a tie vote. In the event of a tie, the bill automatically goes to the Overhusen.

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  • I don't feel that's a good way of dealing with a tie vote, but okay. That leaves a lot of opportunity for contentious legislation to go through to second-stage regardless of not having a majority.

    E: I'd also like it noted that this is an acceptable direction of debate on the topic of the Act. It's necessary to flesh out all the details, you can't just have a very narrow focus to the exclusion of other important details. If we made such alterations these are important considerations to make and where else to make them but here?
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