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If anyone has a reason for one of Vro, Svip, Doc, or Michi to not be killer that isn’t “pretty sure they were afk n1 or n2” please share with the class

For myself, because I wouldn't target Mel as a killer after eyeing her in the previous phase. If I considered her part of the PoE I wouldn't want to kill her during the night I would want to keep her alive.

Vro, I highly doubt that they are both town personally and having them invest the same person kinda wastes info anyway

Also unless there’s another hidden 3P they are gonna be forced to out the right answer to their inspect especially in a situation where it’s pretty likely that wolves have only 1 surviving member and killer is solo, but we’re deprived of info so tbh I’d rather not do that lol. The tldr is we take a guilty invest from them with a pretty healthy degree of skepticism. 

You do have a point that Abby should visit someone and probably announce it before the start of day if possible. That person could be our two “invests” or KoD. Probably KoD.

I’m gonna conserve my remaining 6 posts. Worst case scenario tomorrow is gonna be 3v1v1 if we count Michi as town for these purposes.

If people do want to go down that type of pathway from Vro where the invests double up, two invests on Vro, and Neon going on KoD Is better anyway bc unless KoD is wolf we know that one of Vro and Neon are wolf anyway (excluding weird worlds like “Mel is a wolf now somehow” or “Michi solo voted out their teammate”), so having Neon go on KoD should hopefully clear KoD fully while preserving Abby’s life if town. Tldr in Vros proposal we resolve him and Abby, maybe one of the two cop claims if they fuck up somejow, and basically puts three points of pressure on Abby, which is more than the amount needed and quite frankly is likely to lead to Abby dying as town a lot with two now useless inspects on her. In my proposal of the same variant we do just that (resolve Vro/Abby) but also resolve any doubt on KoD’s alignment.

Though I still would prefer one go on Vro and the other on Abby tbh 

I think I want Abby to go on KoD in pretty much all scenarios tbh

I think my favorite thing is Dolby begging me to get off Mel and than later saying

"I think Mel is good" which ultimately just annoys the fuck out of me just enough that I want to kill them both. 

Like you think... so you don't know... so we could all still be fucked... cool

Vro, I highly doubt that they are both town personally and having them invest the same person kinda wastes info anyway

Also unless there’s another hidden 3P they are gonna be forced to out the right answer to their inspect especially in a situation where it’s pretty likely that wolves have only 1 surviving member and killer is solo, but we’re deprived of info so tbh I’d rather not do that lol. The tldr is we take a guilty invest from them with a pretty healthy degree of skepticism.

You do have a point that Abby should visit someone and probably announce it before the start of day if possible. That person could be our two “invests” or KoD. Probably KoD.

I’m gonna conserve my remaining 6 posts. Worst case scenario tomorrow is gonna be 3v1v1 if we count Michi as town for these purposes.

If people do want to go down that type of pathway from Vro where the invests double up, two invests on Vro, and Neon going on KoD Is better anyway bc unless KoD is wolf we know that one of Vro and Neon are wolf anyway (excluding weird worlds like “Mel is a wolf now somehow” or “Michi solo voted out their teammate”), so having Neon go on KoD should hopefully clear KoD fully while preserving Abby’s life if town. Tldr in Vros proposal we resolve him and Abby, maybe one of the two cop claims if they fuck up somejow, and basically puts three points of pressure on Abby, which is more than the amount needed and quite frankly is likely to lead to Abby dying as town a lot with two now useless inspects on her. In my proposal of the same variant we do just that (resolve Vro/Abby) but also resolve any doubt on KoD’s alignment.

Though I still would prefer one go on Vro and the other on Abby tbh

I think I want Abby to go on KoD in pretty much all scenarios tbh

Nah, if they visit separate targets, the evil one (probably Svip) is incentivised to give a false neutral/mafia result to anyone they visit. If both of them visit the same player they're forced to give the same result or risk confirming that one of the invests are evil and getting chopped next phase. If one of the invests dies and flips town, the other one looks really bad anyway no matter what their result is.

Dolby you have no idea how much your insistence on Mel being town frustrates me when from my pov that may absolutely be untrue and you may have doomed us all but ok. Your point about pressure on Neon leading to her death is valid. Sure she can visit KoD.

Vro, I highly doubt that they are both town personally and having them invest the same person kinda wastes info anyway

Also unless there’s another hidden 3P they are gonna be forced to out the right answer to their inspect especially in a situation where it’s pretty likely that wolves have only 1 surviving member and killer is solo, but we’re deprived of info so tbh I’d rather not do that lol. The tldr is we take a guilty invest from them with a pretty healthy degree of skepticism.

You do have a point that Abby should visit someone and probably announce it before the start of day if possible. That person could be our two “invests” or KoD. Probably KoD.

I’m gonna conserve my remaining 6 posts. Worst case scenario tomorrow is gonna be 3v1v1 if we count Michi as town for these purposes.

If people do want to go down that type of pathway from Vro where the invests double up, two invests on Vro, and Neon going on KoD Is better anyway bc unless KoD is wolf we know that one of Vro and Neon are wolf anyway (excluding weird worlds like “Mel is a wolf now somehow” or “Michi solo voted out their teammate”), so having Neon go on KoD should hopefully clear KoD fully while preserving Abby’s life if town. Tldr in Vros proposal we resolve him and Abby, maybe one of the two cop claims if they fuck up somejow, and basically puts three points of pressure on Abby, which is more than the amount needed and quite frankly is likely to lead to Abby dying as town a lot with two now useless inspects on her. In my proposal of the same variant we do just that (resolve Vro/Abby) but also resolve any doubt on KoD’s alignment.

Though I still would prefer one go on Vro and the other on Abby tbh

I think I want Abby to go on KoD in pretty much all scenarios tbh

Nah, if they visit separate targets, the evil one (probably Svip) is incentivised to give a false neutral/mafia result to anyone they visit. If both of them visit the same player they're forced to give the same result or risk confirming that one of the invests are evil and getting chopped next phase. If one of the invests dies and flips town, the other one looks really bad anyway no matter what their result is.

Dolby you have no idea how much your insistence on Mel being town frustrates me when from my pov that may absolutely be untrue and you may have doomed us all but ok. Your point about pressure on Neon leading to her death is valid. Sure she can visit KoD.

What if I say fuck you all and visit nobody though?

That would make me sad, Neon. Ftr I believe your claim and think the remaining two(?) original baddies are KoD and Svip.

So we are living in a world where there's only 2/3 mafia and the neutral killer?

But also Mel was neutral

And Michi is neutral

And so I'm being told to believe there was somewhere 2 or 3 full scum

3 neutrals 1 if whom could kill

And 6 or 7 town. And that's how this game started? 

Something really don't add up here chief

And Michi "doesn't have to win with town" 

And Mel "could be turned into scum if they visited"

So there's a world where it was literally 6 v 6

That's what I'm supposed to believe?

Or 5 v 7 depending if there's 2 or 3 starting scum

Like from my pov Vro there is no pairing info to be generated. I’d be kinda flabbergasted if this game started with three wolves and multiple 3ps

So yeah I want Kane on you and Svip on Abby and I think that one of them is a wolf regardless tbh

Lol sorry Abby, also lol sorry Abby I’m telling you how to use your night action tonight lol

But hey he wasn’t evil until eon2 at least and I still think that I cured him and that made him good

Also Vro I’m not inclined to trust an invest from Svip anyway, and I’ve narrowed down the killer to you or him so here’s how my plan goes down

Kane invests you and reports that you are… something. 

Svip invests Neon and reports something

As stated earlier one of those reports is from a liar and probably false

If Kane reports a good on you that means that we’re in one of two worlds but tldr it (probably) means that Svip is the killer bc I’ve narrowed it down to your or Svip. Heck I think that I want Kane on you in all worlds tbh. So yeah Kane if you’re reading this you’re investigating Vro tonight

Svip? Just gimme some time to map out how stuff will work out tomorrow and I’ll get back to you 

Neon If you visit no one I will be very sad, like, I’m even making sure that you’re visiting someone I think is probably town.

Also there’s probably just two starting wolves Neon

Michi as a wolf role would straight up be busted bc we have to rely on the opposing faction killing him at night

Mel was almost certainly the medical anomaly and I have strong reason to believe curing her made her town

There’s probs 2 wolves to start and this is probably just a “lol game balance” moment

Or 5 v 7 depending if there's 2 or 3 starting scum

I believe it. Tbf last game we had a 2 v 15(?) so I guess this was the other extreme.

If that's true I'm actually rage quitting because town was never winning 

Ngl Neon I think town is winning this game. We have to proceed with the 1/4 chance that Mel rolled doctor anyway because loltown.

Should I claim Dolby? Before I get checked to confirm?

This was stated to be a game with bastard elements, so I'm not ruling it out considering I was surprised at there being this many 3P, having started as a 3P myself. 2 3P was "huh, that's a lot" but I have no reason to doubt Michi's claim aside from "that's a lot of 3P" which I don't think is a strong enough reason at this point.

What we can figure out, between how Michi can win with either and I could win with whichever side visited me first, is that the Killer is most likely true neutral and can only win by killing off everyone else, wolves included.