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Ah, did I strike a nerve there saying you were potentially false clearing Abbi due to being a scum bud? Good to know.  I'll have to jot that on my list and move you a little further down.

The fact that he then posted a gif of Monroe from Grimm is also interesting not because it came off as another potential soft claim, but because it was following the line "Now let's hunt these mysterious wolves" which to me suggests he was using the GIF in that sense, even though Monroe was 100% a good guy in the show and is probably the last person we would be hunting.

I should explain that I posted Monroe because his was the first Blutbad (his "species") transformation gif I could find since Blutbad seem to be the Wesen that resemble Werewolves the most. Your point about him being a good guy in the show is valid but I was just using him to refer to the general "wolves".

OOC: My apologies for not meeting the minimum posts… as I may have already mentioned, I moved to a new location for my summer internship, and pretty much all of my energy has gone into moving in and getting settled down. This won’t happen again. I’m sorry everyone…

Hello do you have some questions about aspects of what is going on? I might not be able to answer them too well but there are definitely other players here who can.

I'll post an updated reads list later today or tomorrow once I have seen more posts and am done with IRL voting.

Okay the first part of my previous post did not show up for some reason, probably because of quote trimming, so I will put it here.

If the Town Transporter and Escort roles are similar to the ones from Town of Salem than those are quite devastating losses because of the potential benefits from having someone switch the targets of two players (though that can backfire extremely easily) while the Escort there is a good role blocker (they do not protect their target in Town of Salem though unlike that counterpart Michi mentioned). I am not familiar with MU roles overall though, might not be a bad idea to do some research into them.

Players left:

1. Melehan (lean town)
2. Michi (lean scum as opposed to full on scum)
3. Abbi (town)
4. Svipjoth (scum)
5. Dolby (scum)

7. Gerrick (scum)
8. Kane (town)

10. Joslisonoria (null)

12. Corbin (null)



Killed players: NoName (SK) and Aers (mafia).


D1 EoD VC
Michi: 2 (Melehan, Neon Abigail)
Gerrick: 1 (Imaginative Kane)

KingofDominaria: 1 (NoName)

NoName: 2 (KingofDominaria, Aersoldorf)

Aersoldorf: 1 (Gerrick)
No Lynch/Abstain: 6 (Svipjoth, Dolby, Joslisonoria, KingofDominaria, Corbin, Michi)

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Mele's focus on Michi for RHPS. Specific focus especially with calling out the correct character that NoName ended up being no less.

lolol Aers sheeped my vote, and then mafia killed him. That's fantastic right there. Someone literally went, "Yeah, let's not let someone sheep KoD," and poor Aers bit the bullet because of it. Addendum: Aww, it was a self pres vote.

Mele with another speculation about a show (Star Trek TNG) with the alignment being town this time around (as opposed to RHPS being scum).

Gerrick appearing near the end and throwing a vote on Aers just to participate in voting. Dolby showing up after the fact and making a note to vote going forward (as opposed to literally nothing else from what I've seen).


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Alright, I should mostly be caught up from what I'm seeing.


Let's talk night kills.

NoName was killed by the 3p whereas the mafia collectively decided on Aers. NoName wasn't playing in such a way that he was offering a lot in terms of powerful solving. If anything, his death was either: to remove a potential PR (from the PoV of the SK), or they are relatively experienced NoName aka Numbers. Alternatively, could have been a random kill by the SK. I, personally, don't see the likes of Neon killing NoName here. If I had to suspect, this kill was made by someone that doesn't know the lot of us (and probably didn't mind removing someone not participating as much as others -- though that begs the question why not someone that isn't posting at all like Svi).

So, let's follow that thread right quick. At best NoName RPed his information, but, as I stated earlier, wasn't solving (and by information here I mean his opinions given how he created wagons with cookies indicating wanting people to pile onto one or two wagons as opposed to three wagons with two votes each). If the kill was for literally no information, then someone like Svi, Jos, or Corbin would have been much better as I cannot actively recall posts from them (Svi having to chime in about participating more going forward as a side note). Otherwise you get into the likes of Gerrick who at least voted (same with Aers). So my conclusion there is that whoever the SK is is likely one of the low posters because they're playing it safe (following in line with my general philosophical view of scum).

But yeah, I wouldn't expect the SK to be among those who are relatively active. Course, I can always be wrong, but I doubt it.


Now, concerning Aers being NKed by the mafia -- first, you guys tipped your hands. Typically mafia try to eliminate vocal players; especially if they're right. Instead Aers was killed which proves/indicates a few things. Firstly, it proves I was wrong about NoName, and with the NK being leveled at Aers it serves to indicate that mafia were ok with letting me be wrong, and that, by killing Aers, they were looking to damn NoName (possibly to be viewed as a retaliation to Aers voting him). Overall, this indicates, to me, that mafia isn't so much concerned with offing a vocal player (yet, unless they are right) more so than thread control. After all with not many people creating content, it'll be relatively easy to spin a narrative and have people jump at what seems most obvious.

So, that said, what would the indication be? Well, NoName was town and Neon was definitely doing tea with him (possible pocketing over there Neon? For shame). I don't actually think that as a possibility right now. The only telling thing, as far as indicating who it might be, would be the choice in fallout from the choice the mafia made for the NK. This isn't something that is strictly done by newer players, but I obviously have no clue as to how experienced some are here.

Hm. Well given my views on some players, I can eliminate potentials that way.

Alright just updated alignments next to the player names.

Obviously not everyone can be scum so it's a matter of fleshing it out.

Currently, despite my vote on Michi, I think we'll get a scum hit inside one of Svi/Gerrick/Dolby.

Of those, Dolby is my go to at this point. Michi, after all, is being vocal.


And no, Michi, your view of my reads isn't goading my ego or prodding any nerves I have. It's a matter of fact that most of your content is, strictly speaking, useless in terms of solving people. Especially since the level of speculation does nothing to actually *help* solve when you are essentially trying to outguess the mod over flavor. Besides, you waste all this time speculating what role is from what show, but apply it how when you don't know who is what? Is that all the contribution you're going to have to offer going into a second day as opposed to trying to resolve people? Is me pointing this out and scum reading you over it enough to make you go, "Oh, perhaps I better knee-jerk react to KoD so he doesn't continue to react to me this way,"?

Because, truly, you've only now offered something wrt to me and over how I, strongly, commented on you. It's extremely noticeable, and you're doing nothing to help me find you being town with all the talk of speculation vs, you know, hunting scum.

Vote: Dolby

Also you guys need to get in here and start laying down votes.

No more coasting around not contributing without words and, most of all, without a vote. Especially those of you who actively acknowledged that.

*squints at KoD*

You are either town that is wrong or scum that is deliberately misleading for the purposes of thread control because the way you back off over Michi's alignment feels icky. You shade Michi for the flavor solving angle even though I 1) explicitly agreed with his attempt except for the RHPS speculation and 2) actively contributed further flavor solving, yet I get townread and he gets scumread?

And then there's the whole speculation bit over why the SK targeted Numbers that spends quite a lot of wordage discussing the cookie metaphor Numbers used to express his opinion that we should consolidate wagons, which leads the reader to recall that Michi is vocally opposed to lynching, and that just trips the "this is scum aiming for an easy mislynch" detector.

Vote: KingofDominaria

Really though. That I was correct about the characters for 2 of the roles should have you all suspicious of me for having TMI. Everyone townreading me is sus. Except for Michi because I want to deathtunnel him, only 100% of my early game deathtunnel targets have been town in recent games, so I'm reverse psycholgizing myself into seeing him as town.

I suppose Neon would also be exempt from not sussing me due to apparent TMI considering I made her double check that she didn't accidentally send me extra info in my role PM as host.

But everyone else, you have no excuses.

Perhaps you didn't read what I said regarding Michi specifically and, then, apply that in practice to how you are in thread.

As a matter of fact, as I read through the posts throughout the previous day, it was obvious Michi wasn't making a point to actually solve. No, I don't consider flavor speculation to be "solving" as, again, that amounts to outguessing the mod in terms of what flavor applies to what alignments/roles. You're either right, or you're horribly wrong. You won't know until you cross that bridge (a la NoName dying).

The big difference between Michi and you is that you have actively read into some players (Michi first) instead of just talking about speculation over just the flavor. That's a huge difference to glare over.

And my "backing" off of Michi's alignment isn't as sure as you exclaim it to be as a lean to scum from saying he's scum for the reasons I stated isn't a huge jump given the analysis I looked into. We've got a ***bunch*** of low posters, then you got Michi here posting about flavor exclusively (for the most part as his last post is one I haven't read yet -- which, hey, that'd be unfair of me to just ignore that and barrel through without at least looking at it wouldn't you say?).

So yeah, no. 




My speculation over the deaths is pointed in a generalized manner. Barring random choice for the lulz, there is usually a motive behind all moves. That's evident with Aers' death at the hands of the mafia. Remember, he voted with me (though for self pres) onto NoName. The impression is obvious there.

Pinning down the motivation of a SK and their kill is a tad more difficult. Thus why I mentioned different alternatives (PR hit, low information, or just because). And the speculation/analysis goes on more because, obviously, NoName's communication in thread wasn't as direct as my own posts. So gleaning hard stances from his posts will be difficult to say the least. Yet, why not kill one of those previously mentioned that are much lower on the totem pole? Ez miselim targets perhaps?

You may not like the analysis, but it's certainly more than what is being brought to the table in terms of actually trying to resolve people even given your own perspectives on players.

For me, it's too early and too chaotic for me to say anything for sure, but Dominaria has a fair point... those who lie talk on and on in an effort to justify themselves to themselves or to other people (thanks JCS).

alright, first off how did you all become pollititions all of a suddon? and profeshinal writers at the same time?  I may be stupid and new, but i think that you are all just grasping at nothing. Like where is the evidence? you just write and write! like me now! If you are going to present someone make it clear and don't hide it behind paragraphes! Just put it out here with bullet points. 

RIght now i am susspishous of CoD, the fish king, becase they type so much and it anoyes my eyes and makes me sleepy. 

*squints at KoD*

You are either town that is wrong or scum that is deliberately misleading for the purposes of thread control because the way you back off over Michi's alignment feels icky. You shade Michi for the flavor solving angle even though I 1) explicitly agreed with his attempt except for the RHPS speculation and 2) actively contributed further flavor solving, yet I get townread and he gets scumread?

And then there's the whole speculation bit over why the SK targeted Numbers that spends quite a lot of wordage discussing the cookie metaphor Numbers used to express his opinion that we should consolidate wagons, which leads the reader to recall that Michi is vocally opposed to lynching, and that just trips the "this is scum aiming for an easy mislynch" detector.

Vote: KingofDominaria

I understand the thought process here Mel but this KoD is just KoD being town. Nothing here stands out as something I would not suspect of him and I don't think I could ever vote him right now. The NKs don't even really make sense for an SK or mafia lead KoD here. I guess maybe Numbers one could argue but I feel like he wasn't pressuring KoD nearly enough to warrant a kill and the vote was really just OMGUS

Really though. That I was correct about the characters for 2 of the roles should have you all suspicious of me for having TMI. Everyone townreading me is sus. Except for Michi because I want to deathtunnel him, only 100% of my early game deathtunnel targets have been town in recent games, so I'm reverse psycholgizing myself into seeing him as town.

I think I brought up TMI already with regards to you yesterday if I didn't I meant to or thought it at least. However like TMI only really makes sense in regards to your scum buds right your not going to explicitly be told every role in the game or know every detail so this reasoning feels like fishing

For me, it's too early and too chaotic for me to say anything for sure, but Dominaria has a fair point... those who lie talk on and on in an effort to justify themselves to themselves or to other people (thanks JCS).

Unfortunately this game requires snap reads and paranoid judgements it is what makes it most fun but also what drives many players away. It is psychological. With that said you certainly at least feel someone is more suspicious or less suspicious than others. I think you're a first time or at least relatively new player so I'm not coming at you from a place of suspicion but rather I want you to engage with us so we can find the bad guys and win ^^

alright, first off how did you all become pollititions all of a suddon? and profeshinal writers at the same time?  I may be stupid and new, but i think that you are all just grasping at nothing. Like where is the evidence? you just write and write! like me now! If you are going to present someone make it clear and don't hide it behind paragraphes! Just put it out here with bullet points.

RIght now i am susspishous of CoD, the fish king, becase they type so much and it anoyes my eyes and makes me sleepy.

I hate this in every single way imaginable. We've expressed our thoughts and provided reasons we are reading the game based off the info we have which is the only way we can read the game. This is bad and I hate it.

Fuck I deleted part of this

Players left:

1. Melehan (lean town)
2. Michi (lean scum as opposed to full on scum)
3. Abbi (town)
4. Svipjoth (scum)
5. Dolby (scum)

7. Gerrick (scum)
8. Kane (town)

10. Joslisonoria (null)

12. Corbin (null)



Killed players: NoName (SK) and Aers (mafia).


D1 EoD VC
Michi: 2 (Melehan, Neon Abigail)
Gerrick: 1 (Imaginative Kane)

KingofDominaria: 1 (NoName)

NoName: 2 (KingofDominaria, Aersoldorf)

Aersoldorf: 1 (Gerrick)
No Lynch/Abstain: 6 (Svipjoth, Dolby, Joslisonoria, KingofDominaria, Corbin, Michi)

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Mele's focus on Michi for RHPS. Specific focus especially with calling out the correct character that NoName ended up being no less.

lolol Aers sheeped my vote, and then mafia killed him. That's fantastic right there. Someone literally went, "Yeah, let's not let someone sheep KoD," and poor Aers bit the bullet because of it. Addendum: Aww, it was a self pres vote.

Mele with another speculation about a show (Star Trek TNG) with the alignment being town this time around (as opposed to RHPS being scum).

Gerrick appearing near the end and throwing a vote on Aers just to participate in voting. Dolby showing up after the fact and making a note to vote going forward (as opposed to literally nothing else from what I've seen).


* * * * * * * * * *

Alright, I should mostly be caught up from what I'm seeing.


Let's talk night kills.

NoName was killed by the 3p whereas the mafia collectively decided on Aers. NoName wasn't playing in such a way that he was offering a lot in terms of powerful solving. If anything, his death was either: to remove a potential PR (from the PoV of the SK), or they are relatively experienced NoName aka Numbers. Alternatively, could have been a random kill by the SK. I, personally, don't see the likes of Neon killing NoName here. If I had to suspect, this kill was made by someone that doesn't know the lot of us (and probably didn't mind removing someone not participating as much as others -- though that begs the question why not someone that isn't posting at all like Svi).

So, let's follow that thread right quick. At best NoName RPed his information, but, as I stated earlier, wasn't solving (and by information here I mean his opinions given how he created wagons with cookies indicating wanting people to pile onto one or two wagons as opposed to three wagons with two votes each). If the kill was for literally no information, then someone like Svi, Jos, or Corbin would have been much better as I cannot actively recall posts from them (Svi having to chime in about participating more going forward as a side note). Otherwise you get into the likes of Gerrick who at least voted (same with Aers). So my conclusion there is that whoever the SK is is likely one of the low posters because they're playing it safe (following in line with my general philosophical view of scum).

But yeah, I wouldn't expect the SK to be among those who are relatively active. Course, I can always be wrong, but I doubt it.


Now, concerning Aers being NKed by the mafia -- first, you guys tipped your hands. Typically mafia try to eliminate vocal players; especially if they're right. Instead Aers was killed which proves/indicates a few things. Firstly, it proves I was wrong about NoName, and with the NK being leveled at Aers it serves to indicate that mafia were ok with letting me be wrong, and that, by killing Aers, they were looking to damn NoName (possibly to be viewed as a retaliation to Aers voting him). Overall, this indicates, to me, that mafia isn't so much concerned with offing a vocal player (yet, unless they are right) more so than thread control. After all with not many people creating content, it'll be relatively easy to spin a narrative and have people jump at what seems most obvious.

So, that said, what would the indication be? Well, NoName was town and Neon was definitely doing tea with him (possible pocketing over there Neon? For shame). I don't actually think that as a possibility right now. The only telling thing, as far as indicating who it might be, would be the choice in fallout from the choice the mafia made for the NK. This isn't something that is strictly done by newer players, but I obviously have no clue as to how experienced some are here.

Hm. Well given my views on some players, I can eliminate potentials that way.

Alright just updated alignments next to the player names.

Obviously not everyone can be scum so it's a matter of fleshing it out.

Currently, despite my vote on Michi, I think we'll get a scum hit inside one of Svi/Gerrick/Dolby.

Of those, Dolby is my go to at this point. Michi, after all, is being vocal.


And no, Michi, your view of my reads isn't goading my ego or prodding any nerves I have. It's a matter of fact that most of your content is, strictly speaking, useless in terms of solving people. Especially since the level of speculation does nothing to actually *help* solve when you are essentially trying to outguess the mod over flavor. Besides, you waste all this time speculating what role is from what show, but apply it how when you don't know who is what? Is that all the contribution you're going to have to offer going into a second day as opposed to trying to resolve people? Is me pointing this out and scum reading you over it enough to make you go, "Oh, perhaps I better knee-jerk react to KoD so he doesn't continue to react to me this way,"?

Because, truly, you've only now offered something wrt to me and over how I, strongly, commented on you. It's extremely noticeable, and you're doing nothing to help me find you being town with all the talk of speculation vs, you know, hunting scum.

I agree and echo a lot of this and was going to make similar points which is annoying because I don't want to be accused of pocketing lol

My main thing was that I wonder if the plan was not similar between the SK and the mafia and the plan was to pit a narrative of Aers vs Numbers but they ended up crossing streams and in doing so they are not grasping for a new narrative to push because they can't push their original objective. 

And of course I was pocketing Numbers you should know that by now :p
But no the main thing with Numbers was that they were replying to my RPs and I was having fun with it but the RP is over now I want the SKs head on a platter you took him from me.

*squints at KoD*

You are either town that is wrong or scum that is deliberately misleading for the purposes of thread control because the way you back off over Michi's alignment feels icky. You shade Michi for the flavor solving angle even though I 1) explicitly agreed with his attempt except for the RHPS speculation and 2) actively contributed further flavor solving, yet I get townread and he gets scumread?

And then there's the whole speculation bit over why the SK targeted Numbers that spends quite a lot of wordage discussing the cookie metaphor Numbers used to express his opinion that we should consolidate wagons, which leads the reader to recall that Michi is vocally opposed to lynching, and that just trips the "this is scum aiming for an easy mislynch" detector.

Vote: KingofDominaria

I understand the thought process here Mel but this KoD is just KoD being town. Nothing here stands out as something I would not suspect of him and I don't think I could ever vote him right now. The NKs don't even really make sense for an SK or mafia lead KoD here. I guess maybe Numbers one could argue but I feel like he wasn't pressuring KoD nearly enough to warrant a kill and the vote was really just OMGUS

Really though. That I was correct about the characters for 2 of the roles should have you all suspicious of me for having TMI. Everyone townreading me is sus. Except for Michi because I want to deathtunnel him, only 100% of my early game deathtunnel targets have been town in recent games, so I'm reverse psycholgizing myself into seeing him as town.

I think I brought up TMI already with regards to you yesterday if I didn't I meant to or thought it at least. However like TMI only really makes sense in regards to your scum buds right your not going to explicitly be told every role in the game or know every detail so this reasoning feels like fishing

For me, it's too early and too chaotic for me to say anything for sure, but Dominaria has a fair point... those who lie talk on and on in an effort to justify themselves to themselves or to other people (thanks JCS).

Unfortunately this game requires snap reads and paranoid judgements it is what makes it most fun but also what drives many players away. It is psychological. With that said you certainly at least feel someone is more suspicious or less suspicious than others. I think you're a first time or at least relatively new player so I'm not coming at you from a place of suspicion but rather I want you to engage with us so we can find the bad guys and win ^^

alright, first off how did you all become pollititions all of a suddon? and profeshinal writers at the same time?  I may be stupid and new, but i think that you are all just grasping at nothing. Like where is the evidence? you just write and write! like me now! If you are going to present someone make it clear and don't hide it behind paragraphes! Just put it out here with bullet points.

RIght now i am susspishous of CoD, the fish king, becase they type so much and it anoyes my eyes and makes me sleepy.

I hate this in every single way imaginable. We've expressed our thoughts and provided reasons we are reading the game based off the info we have which is the only way we can read the game. This is bad and I hate it.

Fuck I deleted part of this

i would like to appologize, its just soo much and i don't qite understand as i am new to these things. just was not expecting soo much reading. i htougth it ousld be small points so i appologize.