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I think I'm just staying on Dolby although Vro would be a good counter wagon, imo. Also, what happened to your speech restriction, @Ruguo?

That is for me alone to know.

I'm kinda still at Vro being opposing meaning that he can't be surv, surv being a copout claim, and there being one "liar" left making a evil 3p make sense for him, especially with a surv claim. Meshes with a corrupted neutral world to

Vote: Vroendal

Much for the same reason Vro is against voting me, I am against voting Vro. All previous wolves turned survivor. Fun fact, there has never been any mafia in this game. Just wolves. Nice innocent wolfies.

Hey, if game ends in less than 24 hours unless town makes the right choice, I think that still means the survivors win. So I guess I have zero stake here unless you decide to spite kill me. Anyhow. Do we know who this coronerperson is? is that somewhere in Mel's pool of info?

In that case, why did Vro play coy about who the wolves were? Was my clue correct about Marz?

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The police chief walked past the bar, his favorite place to hang out but for some reason the bar was closed tonight. He sighed. A couple days ago he had lost one of his patrol officers…Officer Edwards died in the line of duty. He was tired of the senseless violence but he felt like his hands were tied in a never ending struggle to keep his job.

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Detective Lane finally felt like he had the cuffs taken off his own case. He was beginning to think that maybe now it was finally time to go in search of killers. He finally felt like he had his freedom back. He left the apartment of one of the suspects he’d just searched when he received a phone call.

“Detective?” the Police Chief said over the line.

“Yeah this is Jacob what’s going on?”

“I’m going to need you to come down to the pub on Queens Lane…and do it quietly. Preferably extra quietly.”

“That bad huh?” the detective asked.

“Yeah…this one is pretty fucking bad.”

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“HELLO LONDON!” Liam shouted over the rain storm that was sweeping across the city. He held his microphone in one hand trying to keep his hat from flying away with the other. “Another beautiful night in the city right?” he chuckled. “In tonight’s news…you know what fuck this. NOTHING! NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IN THIS CITY!” The camera quickly cut away as the studio hosts tried to play off the situation.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marzipan died last night. They were REDACTED and you know what the rest is going to say…

Aren died last night they were REDACTED

DAY 4 BEGINS NOW AND WILL CONTINUE UNTIL 2:20 Central on April 9th!

I think this flavor is important and gives some hints we might have missed before. The think with Liam is interesting, because Liam goes off script which the studio doesn't like. And Michi mentions before this, during the night, that not voting was the key to getting his vote condition removed. Seeing as his vote was tied to KoD, this makes me believe that maybe KoD is the news studio/someone at the studio. And after Michi didn't vote he basically said fuck you to the studio/KoD.

So, since this seems to line up then the two pieces before this are more interesting. The chief of police walks past the bar that for some reason was closed that night. The chief then calls Jacob to the pub because something bad has happened. If Vro is to be believed, Arenado was Detective Sammy, the SK. And the chief called Jacob to the pub because both Arenado and Marz were dead there. But that begs the question, why was the pub closed that night and why were they there? Maybe whoever Jaxson is had something to do with that. TGN claims that he blocked Arenado that night but got no result, which is interesting. It seems like that should only happen if there is another roleblocker or some similar role that blocked TGN. Or TGN is lying. Maybe he didn't block Arenado, but whoever Jaxson is instead, and that's why the bar was closed. This part is speculation though, and I'm not sure how much I believe it. Oooh fuck, as I was going through the thread trying to put pieces together I think I might have figured this out actually. Which brings up another question of there being another roleblocker or something that interfered with TGN.


I think I have figured out who most people are except for ENE, Gerrick, Anu, and Wisch. Ruguo is a ?? but I may have him narrowed down. Two of these people are Leigh and Makenna who should be our original scum team with Aerso and Marz. That leaves me with 3 people who I have no clue who they could be and that I haven't seen mentioned in flavor text. One of them could be Neon's nameless manager. Not sure about that, but they have been mentioned.

@Vroendal I think I know your deal now and I'm willing to trust you. Do you know how we supposedly made Arenado evil? Also I have a decent idea of character flavors now I believe. Like I said ENE, Gerrick, Anu, Wisch, and Ruguo are my big unknowns, with 2 of those being Leigh/Makenna. Are you able to help more if we can figure out the claims?


Also, it's claiming that the police chief (Dolby) helped cover for Sammy's (Arenado) killings for a long time. He also gave Jacob a list of suspects for his brother's murder that Jacob claimed was shit and that none of them were the killer. Which does make it sound like the chief was covering for Sammy there and kept him off the list of suspects. Though Lau seems to believe that his brother's killer wasn't caught.

I spent way too long on this...

Well, since Ruguo's decided to out now I guess I can spill most of the beans, lol. I don't think KoD is necessarily part of the studio because Michi was originally tied to Bob, who died. Sammy wasn't a detective he was just a regular guy who was a serial killer. I think you've figured the bar part out and I agree with you. Ruguo, Marz, and I with one other person started off this game as town, being told we were town, with a town wincon, no group chat, and no role name, at least in my case. I can't tell you my character because I literally do not know which one I am. When Lau succeeded, all four of us were changed to survivor with our own unique abilities and placed in a group chat. Marz told us just before she died that anyone who kills her, she kills. Anyone who lynches her, she chooses one to take out. If Aren was immune to Marz killing him, it doesn't quite make sense that someone else would be able to kill him. Therefore I have to conclude that she killed him herself as he killed her.

I don't think we made Aren evil so much as in he started killing from N1 so it was his choice.

I think I'm just staying on Dolby although Vro would be a good counter wagon, imo. Also, what happened to your speech restriction, @Ruguo?

That is for me alone to know.

I'm kinda still at Vro being opposing meaning that he can't be surv, surv being a copout claim, and there being one "liar" left making a evil 3p make sense for him, especially with a surv claim. Meshes with a corrupted neutral world to

Vote: Vroendal

Much for the same reason Vro is against voting me, I am against voting Vro. All previous wolves turned survivor. Fun fact, there has never been any mafia in this game. Just wolves. Nice innocent wolfies.

Hey, if game ends in less than 24 hours unless town makes the right choice, I think that still means the survivors win. So I guess I have zero stake here unless you decide to spite kill me. Anyhow. Do we know who this coronerperson is? is that somewhere in Mel's pool of info?

In that case, why did Vro play coy about who the wolves were? Was my clue correct about Marz?

Marz was a wolf. I played coy for three main reasons. Firstly, being survivor is scary, you had assumed that the wolves would be town and I didn't know how the town would react to that not being the case. Secondly, I couldn't be sure that there wasn't some role that needed to kill us in order to win, I thought that perhaps being a survivor meant I had to survive someone specific. Thirdly, I felt robbed because I acted suspicious on purpose and then turned not town, on the first night Marz and I kinda wanted to throw our chips in with the sk, so I blocked TGN, sorry lol. Then Aren immediately killed the very last person he should have, so hey ho. I chose not to block anyone last night.

Well Dolby seems the most obvious choice. The wingdings messages stated that there was only one bad guy left and to kill the police chief. And the corrupted user No More Peace sounds very likely to be Dolby considering how much he was essentially saying that the first few days.

Vote: Dolby

And my character I don't think has been mentioned yet in the flavor. I'm Cyr Charles, a sergeant in the Royal Navy.

We should have TGN going around confirming these claims are true btw. Either the watcher, the doctor, or some other defensive role needs to be on him. Either one. Don't say if you're going to protect him, if someone actually does want his ability gone they don't need to know who to take out first.

This is Mel's role-list updated with what I know.

Mayor Max Freidman - Minish
Coroner Harold - ??
Chief of Police John - Dolby
Detective Jacob Lane - Lau
Reporter Liam - Michi
Officer Edwards - ExLight
Bartender Jaxson - I have a strong suspicion
Pop Star Neon - Abigail
Doctor John Greyson - Mel
Sammy the Serial Killer  Aren
?? gun, vest, memorabilia - Bob
The 4 girls - the wolves, including Marz, Silv, myself, and someone else
Cyr Charles the Sergeant - Gerrick
Detective Oneira - ??

Unknown roles (including one known wolf) - KoD, Aerso, ENE, Anubhav, Wisch

This is Mel's role-list updated with what I know.

Mayor Max Freidman - Minish
Coroner Harold - ??
Chief of Police John - Dolby
Detective Jacob Lane - Lau
Reporter Liam - Michi
Officer Edwards - ExLight
Bartender Jaxson - I have a strong suspicion
Pop Star Neon - Abigail
Doctor John Greyson - Mel
Sammy the Serial Killer  Aren
?? gun, vest, memorabilia - Bob
The 4 girls - the wolves, including Marz, Silv, myself, and someone else
Cyr Charles the Sergeant - Gerrick
Detective Oneira - ??

Unknown roles (including one known wolf) - KoD, Aerso, ENE, Anubhav, Wisch

Forgot TGN in the unknown roles group. Curse my lack of ability to copy paste well!!

This is Mel's role-list updated with what I know.

Mayor Max Freidman - Minish
Coroner Harold - ??
Chief of Police John - Dolby
Detective Jacob Lane - Lau
Reporter Liam - Michi
Officer Edwards - ExLight
Bartender Jaxson - I have a strong suspicion
Pop Star Neon - Abigail
Doctor John Greyson - Mel
Sammy the Serial Killer  Aren
?? gun, vest, memorabilia - Bob
The 4 girls - the wolves, including Marz, Silv, myself, and someone else
Cyr Charles the Sergeant - Gerrick
Detective Oneira - ??

Unknown roles (including one known wolf) - KoD, Aerso, ENE, Anubhav, Wisch

Forgot TGN in the unknown roles group. Curse my lack of ability to copy paste well!!

Should I say my role?

also [unvote]Neon Abigail[/unvote]

Dang lmao 

This is Mel's role-list updated with what I know.

Mayor Max Freidman - Minish
Coroner Harold - ??
Chief of Police John - Dolby
Detective Jacob Lane - Lau
Reporter Liam - Michi
Officer Edwards - ExLight
Bartender Jaxson - I have a strong suspicion
Pop Star Neon - Abigail
Doctor John Greyson - Mel
Sammy the Serial Killer  Aren
?? gun, vest, memorabilia - Bob
The 4 girls - the wolves, including Marz, Silv, myself, and someone else
Cyr Charles the Sergeant - Gerrick
Detective Oneira - ??

Unknown roles (including one known wolf) - KoD, Aerso, ENE, Anubhav, Wisch

Forgot TGN in the unknown roles group. Curse my lack of ability to copy paste well!!

Should I say my role?

also [unvote]Neon Abigail[/unvote]

Now is the time to claim.

This is Mel's role-list updated with what I know.

Mayor Max Freidman - Minish
Coroner Harold - ??
Chief of Police John - Dolby
Detective Jacob Lane - Lau
Reporter Liam - Michi
Officer Edwards - ExLight
Bartender Jaxson - I have a strong suspicion
Pop Star Neon - Abigail
Doctor John Greyson - Mel
Sammy the Serial Killer  Aren
?? gun, vest, memorabilia - Bob
The 4 girls - the wolves, including Marz, Silv, myself, and someone else
Cyr Charles the Sergeant - Gerrick
Detective Oneira - ??

Unknown roles (including one known wolf) - KoD, Aerso, ENE, Anubhav, Wisch

Forgot TGN in the unknown roles group. Curse my lack of ability to copy paste well!!

Should I say my role?

also [unvote]Neon Abigail[/unvote]

Yes please do.  As Ruguo said, now is the time to come out with it so we can get a better lock on folks.

I think I'm just staying on Dolby although Vro would be a good counter wagon, imo. Also, what happened to your speech restriction, @Ruguo?

That is for me alone to know.

I'm kinda still at Vro being opposing meaning that he can't be surv, surv being a copout claim, and there being one "liar" left making a evil 3p make sense for him, especially with a surv claim. Meshes with a corrupted neutral world to

Vote: Vroendal

Much for the same reason Vro is against voting me, I am against voting Vro. All previous wolves turned survivor. Fun fact, there has never been any mafia in this game. Just wolves. Nice innocent wolfies.

Hey, if game ends in less than 24 hours unless town makes the right choice, I think that still means the survivors win. So I guess I have zero stake here unless you decide to spite kill me. Anyhow. Do we know who this coronerperson is? is that somewhere in Mel's pool of info?

In that case, why did Vro play coy about who the wolves were? Was my clue correct about Marz?

Marz was a wolf. I played coy for three main reasons. Firstly, being survivor is scary, you had assumed that the wolves would be town and I didn't know how the town would react to that not being the case. Secondly, I couldn't be sure that there wasn't some role that needed to kill us in order to win, I thought that perhaps being a survivor meant I had to survive someone specific. Thirdly, I felt robbed because I acted suspicious on purpose and then turned not town, on the first night Marz and I kinda wanted to throw our chips in with the sk, so I blocked TGN, sorry lol. Then Aren immediately killed the very last person he should have, so hey ho. I chose not to block anyone last night.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The police chief walked past the bar, his favorite place to hang out but for some reason the bar was closed tonight. He sighed. A couple days ago he had lost one of his patrol officers…Officer Edwards died in the line of duty. He was tired of the senseless violence but he felt like his hands were tied in a never ending struggle to keep his job.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Detective Lane finally felt like he had the cuffs taken off his own case. He was beginning to think that maybe now it was finally time to go in search of killers. He finally felt like he had his freedom back. He left the apartment of one of the suspects he’d just searched when he received a phone call.

“Detective?” the Police Chief said over the line.

“Yeah this is Jacob what’s going on?”

“I’m going to need you to come down to the pub on Queens Lane…and do it quietly. Preferably extra quietly.”

“That bad huh?” the detective asked.

“Yeah…this one is pretty fucking bad.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“HELLO LONDON!” Liam shouted over the rain storm that was sweeping across the city. He held his microphone in one hand trying to keep his hat from flying away with the other. “Another beautiful night in the city right?” he chuckled. “In tonight’s news…you know what fuck this. NOTHING! NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IN THIS CITY!” The camera quickly cut away as the studio hosts tried to play off the situation.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marzipan died last night. They were REDACTED and you know what the rest is going to say…

Aren died last night they were REDACTED

DAY 4 BEGINS NOW AND WILL CONTINUE UNTIL 2:20 Central on April 9th!

I think this flavor is important and gives some hints we might have missed before. The think with Liam is interesting, because Liam goes off script which the studio doesn't like. And Michi mentions before this, during the night, that not voting was the key to getting his vote condition removed. Seeing as his vote was tied to KoD, this makes me believe that maybe KoD is the news studio/someone at the studio. And after Michi didn't vote he basically said fuck you to the studio/KoD.

So, since this seems to line up then the two pieces before this are more interesting. The chief of police walks past the bar that for some reason was closed that night. The chief then calls Jacob to the pub because something bad has happened. If Vro is to be believed, Arenado was Detective Sammy, the SK. And the chief called Jacob to the pub because both Arenado and Marz were dead there. But that begs the question, why was the pub closed that night and why were they there? Maybe whoever Jaxson is had something to do with that. TGN claims that he blocked Arenado that night but got no result, which is interesting. It seems like that should only happen if there is another roleblocker or some similar role that blocked TGN. Or TGN is lying. Maybe he didn't block Arenado, but whoever Jaxson is instead, and that's why the bar was closed. This part is speculation though, and I'm not sure how much I believe it. Oooh fuck, as I was going through the thread trying to put pieces together I think I might have figured this out actually. Which brings up another question of there being another roleblocker or something that interfered with TGN.


I think I have figured out who most people are except for ENE, Gerrick, Anu, and Wisch. Ruguo is a ?? but I may have him narrowed down. Two of these people are Leigh and Makenna who should be our original scum team with Aerso and Marz. That leaves me with 3 people who I have no clue who they could be and that I haven't seen mentioned in flavor text. One of them could be Neon's nameless manager. Not sure about that, but they have been mentioned.

@Vroendal I think I know your deal now and I'm willing to trust you. Do you know how we supposedly made Arenado evil? Also I have a decent idea of character flavors now I believe. Like I said ENE, Gerrick, Anu, Wisch, and Ruguo are my big unknowns, with 2 of those being Leigh/Makenna. Are you able to help more if we can figure out the claims?


Also, it's claiming that the police chief (Dolby) helped cover for Sammy's (Arenado) killings for a long time. He also gave Jacob a list of suspects for his brother's murder that Jacob claimed was shit and that none of them were the killer. Which does make it sound like the chief was covering for Sammy there and kept him off the list of suspects. Though Lau seems to believe that his brother's killer wasn't caught.

I spent way too long on this...

Well, since Ruguo's decided to out now I guess I can spill most of the beans, lol. I don't think KoD is necessarily part of the studio because Michi was originally tied to Bob, who died. Sammy wasn't a detective he was just a regular guy who was a serial killer. I think you've figured the bar part out and I agree with you. Ruguo, Marz, and I with one other person started off this game as town, being told we were town, with a town wincon, no group chat, and no role name, at least in my case. I can't tell you my character because I literally do not know which one I am. When Lau succeeded, all four of us were changed to survivor with our own unique abilities and placed in a group chat. Marz told us just before she died that anyone who kills her, she kills. Anyone who lynches her, she chooses one to take out. If Aren was immune to Marz killing him, it doesn't quite make sense that someone else would be able to kill him. Therefore I have to conclude that she killed him herself as he killed her.

I don't think we made Aren evil so much as in he started killing from N1 so it was his choice.

These two posts contradict each other. You said you and Marz weren't in a group chat and started out as Town, so how would acting suspicious in any way work to your benefit pre-turn? I get the logic that being obvwolf paradoxically means you're obvtown post-Nl, but that's nonsense when you say you started out as Town, not scum. Secondly, how did you and Mel decide to throw your lot in with the SK "on the first night" if you were 1) Town, and 2) not in a group chat?


Vote: Vroendal

No one else reveal until I saw what the hell the deal is with these contradictions. 

*Secondly, how did you and Marz decide to throw your lot in...

EBWOP

When in doubt, eliminating claimed selfs is a valid PoE move to progress solving the game state.

Strictly speaking, is there any particular reason to assume Dolby isn't town vs the claimed non-town Vro? If not, then it should follow that eliminating Vro is the best option forward.

This is, of course, assuming you guys actually have valid information to work with wrt to the remaining threats to the town. From where I've been sitting the "threats" were (are?) those people not able to win with the town. That is, anyone, per the clarification someone got earlier -- Dolby I believe, that has or had potential to not win with the town. As I've said before (and maintain), that wouldn't include a survivor as a survivor can win with the town (they *can't* win with the town isn't a thing by virtue of how a survivor works). So Vro, if he is being honest about being a survivor, isn't a threat that *has* to be eliminated mechanically.

However, in terms of claim and how a survivor plays it would be safer to elim Vro before he becomes a liability to town wrt to voting. After all, while a survivor can win with the town, a survivor can also win with the mafia. Not to mention that it could be a fake claim, thus why it's a better PoE move to elim Vro.


All that being said, as I've been keeping up more or less with what events are happening, there is the whole threaters were/are thing I mentioned. After you guys yeeted Neon and we had all this stuff occur, some people have floated the idea that another faction has come about and the game is newer or something. Is there any reason to assume this to be true as opposed to the original threats still being threats? Speculation aside, without any clear cut evidence showing that there is a new threat it would be hazardous to even being to assume the game has changed so much that we're not still dealing with the original threats.



All that being said, if Dolby is in serious contention for being lynched, then I oppose it. Michi's ability early on showed he was fine as opposed to Arena (and by consensus it looks like Arena was scum all along).


Vote: Vroendal