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Quite frankly Ex, i think that your role is town, you are towny, and I do not think I should die, or that I in any way am playing to a point where I deserve to die so I will say it so bluntly. Though I think that I have to for you is quite ridiculous. We shouldn't expect people defending themselves from someone who comes in saying that "X is mafia" without any real backing to explicitly say I am not mafia, but I will go through this for you.

I am town
I am not a serial killer.
I am not mafia.


If you have a traditional lie detect and are baiting me to try to get this post, and use it on me, you will die.

The accusation in the first place is quite flimsy, I do not see how Melehan can even begin to construct specifically "Arenado is a tracker who tracked Dolby to Mac". I asked to be tracked today, I did not visit Mac last night. Arenado has not done anything close to confirming this allegation, and if they do, or instead choose to not do something that obviously rejects the notion that they tracked me to Mac, they should be next in the chop pile

Wischland deciding to vote no lynch now is incredibly partnered with Vroendal, especially after they actually made the decision to vote ENE yesterday. Vro is like, distinctly the scummiest non-fake post restrictioner. I found hope that Vroendal is shot tonight by Exlight if he chooses to not retain his shot. While I hope that Cereal's role was hidden to make it clear that they shouldn't have actions on them tonight and to protect it in case a replacement was found, it seems far more likely that janitor is a passive effect. Still, I find it far more likely that there is simply only mafia, rather than mafia and an sk and the mafia's kill was blocked at the start of night. I think it is likely that Lau simply wants to get in 3 unopposed kills, get rid of the ability to bypass mylo, or just waste our 3 no yeets for


Other votes off of wagon were eh, but not super sus
" and Aren is a watcher-type who saw Dolby visit Mac the night he died." this is just false and I do not believe that Arenado is trying to even claim that

Vro's contribution is LITERALLY a single list of people. Literally that

Minish slot shouldnt be killed tonight, give them the luxery of catching up pls

We should not no lynch and honestly I'm at the point where I'm willing to self-vote if neccessary to stop it

not happy with the lack of wagon consolidation but I don't think that the players doing it are distinctly scummy, there are just doing to much of it and at a lot of points there individual votes wouldn't make a difference (especailyy if it's close to eod and they think they're going to be the last voter)

still I'd rather more people voted Vro, Vro was the anti-no yeet wagon

I do not like me or Ex wagons

ENE w/e

Saving last post for an hour before day start glgl during night

Exlight pls shoot Vro, thanks

"If you have a traditional lie detect and are baiting me to try to get this post, and use it on me, you will die."
What the hell?

@Arenado can you cut your crap and explicitly tell us whether or not you saw Dolby visit Bob last night?

Gimme a "hell"
Gimme a "yeah"
Stand up right now
And gimme a "hell"
Gimme a "yeah"
Stand up right now
Get ready to go
She ain't movin' slow
She's takin' control
Pushin' the pedal to the floor
I'm beggin' for more
You better hold on tight

Unless it's a passive ability, I'm gonna call BS  that you saw Dolby specifically visit Glorious Bob.

That nothing from the first night that I got? That was from me following Dolby specifically, and I was just gratefully clarified that the "nothing" in the flavor was because literally the person I followed (in this case Dolby) did absolutely nothing.

So as Ex said, please cut the crap.

Quite frankly Ex, i think that your role is town, you are towny, and I do not think I should die, or that I in any way am playing to a point where I deserve to die so I will say it so bluntly. Though I think that I have to for you is quite ridiculous. We shouldn't expect people defending themselves from someone who comes in saying that "X is mafia" without any real backing to explicitly say I am not mafia, but I will go through this for you.

I am town
I am not a serial killer.
I am not mafia.


If you have a traditional lie detect and are baiting me to try to get this post, and use it on me, you will die.

The accusation in the first place is quite flimsy, I do not see how Melehan can even begin to construct specifically "Arenado is a tracker who tracked Dolby to Mac". I asked to be tracked today, I did not visit Mac last night. Arenado has not done anything close to confirming this allegation, and if they do, or instead choose to not do something that obviously rejects the notion that they tracked me to Mac, they should be next in the chop pile

Wischland deciding to vote no lynch now is incredibly partnered with Vroendal, especially after they actually made the decision to vote ENE yesterday. Vro is like, distinctly the scummiest non-fake post restrictioner. I found hope that Vroendal is shot tonight by Exlight if he chooses to not retain his shot. While I hope that Cereal's role was hidden to make it clear that they shouldn't have actions on them tonight and to protect it in case a replacement was found, it seems far more likely that janitor is a passive effect. Still, I find it far more likely that there is simply only mafia, rather than mafia and an sk and the mafia's kill was blocked at the start of night. I think it is likely that Lau simply wants to get in 3 unopposed kills, get rid of the ability to bypass mylo, or just waste our 3 no yeets for


Other votes off of wagon were eh, but not super sus
" and Aren is a watcher-type who saw Dolby visit Mac the night he died." this is just false and I do not believe that Arenado is trying to even claim that

Vro's contribution is LITERALLY a single list of people. Literally that

Minish slot shouldnt be killed tonight, give them the luxery of catching up pls

We should not no lynch and honestly I'm at the point where I'm willing to self-vote if neccessary to stop it

not happy with the lack of wagon consolidation but I don't think that the players doing it are distinctly scummy, there are just doing to much of it and at a lot of points there individual votes wouldn't make a difference (especailyy if it's close to eod and they think they're going to be the last voter)

still I'd rather more people voted Vro, Vro was the anti-no yeet wagon

I do not like me or Ex wagons

ENE w/e

Saving last post for an hour before day start glgl during night

Exlight pls shoot Vro, thanks

"If you have a traditional lie detect and are baiting me to try to get this post, and use it on me, you will die."
What the hell?

@Arenado can you cut your crap and explicitly tell us whether or not you saw Dolby visit Bob last night?

Gimme a "hell"
Gimme a "yeah"
Stand up right now
And gimme a "hell"
Gimme a "yeah"
Stand up right now
Get ready to go
She ain't movin' slow
She's takin' control
Pushin' the pedal to the floor
I'm beggin' for more
You better hold on tight

Unless it's a passive ability, I'm gonna call BS  that you saw Dolby specifically visit Glorious Bob.

That nothing from the first night that I got? That was from me following Dolby specifically, and I was just gratefully clarified that the "nothing" in the flavor was because literally the person I followed (in this case Dolby) did absolutely nothing.

So as Ex said, please cut the crap.

Remember the time,
When you stood right behind me,
Watching me enjoy the limelight.
The time when I acted stupid,
But you brought the right words to my sight.
The time when I refused to work,
But you kept pushing me to do so.
The time when I had given up on myself,
But with those harsh and emotionless lines you made me believe in who I was.
The time when everyone left,
But you stayed.
The time when I kept arguing over wrong statements,
And when you knew how to counter me with the right one.
All this time long,
You stayed and believed.
Maybe we never realised,
Maybe we never knew.
But this world had these two kinds,
Sherlock and Watson.
Each one searching for the other,
Sherlock's searching for Watson,
Watson's searching for Sherlock,
Maybe they are fine alone,
But maybe they are best when together.
Maybe a Sherlock would have never enjoyed the limelight,
Maybe he would have given up on himself way earlier,
Maybe he would have not been he.
But then Watson made it all happen.
Maybe that is how it works.
*Maybe one day we'll find our Sherlock,
Or maybe one day a Watson would find us.

At breakfast,
I read a cereal box.
In the car
I read a map.
I read a book
with Mom each night sitting in her lap.
I read in the bathroom.
I read to our dog.
I read out on a swing.
I read in my closet.
I read in my bed.

Quite frankly Ex, i think that your role is town, you are towny, and I do not think I should die, or that I in any way am playing to a point where I deserve to die so I will say it so bluntly. Though I think that I have to for you is quite ridiculous. We shouldn't expect people defending themselves from someone who comes in saying that "X is mafia" without any real backing to explicitly say I am not mafia, but I will go through this for you.

I am town
I am not a serial killer.
I am not mafia.


If you have a traditional lie detect and are baiting me to try to get this post, and use it on me, you will die.

The accusation in the first place is quite flimsy, I do not see how Melehan can even begin to construct specifically "Arenado is a tracker who tracked Dolby to Mac". I asked to be tracked today, I did not visit Mac last night. Arenado has not done anything close to confirming this allegation, and if they do, or instead choose to not do something that obviously rejects the notion that they tracked me to Mac, they should be next in the chop pile

Wischland deciding to vote no lynch now is incredibly partnered with Vroendal, especially after they actually made the decision to vote ENE yesterday. Vro is like, distinctly the scummiest non-fake post restrictioner. I found hope that Vroendal is shot tonight by Exlight if he chooses to not retain his shot. While I hope that Cereal's role was hidden to make it clear that they shouldn't have actions on them tonight and to protect it in case a replacement was found, it seems far more likely that janitor is a passive effect. Still, I find it far more likely that there is simply only mafia, rather than mafia and an sk and the mafia's kill was blocked at the start of night. I think it is likely that Lau simply wants to get in 3 unopposed kills, get rid of the ability to bypass mylo, or just waste our 3 no yeets for


Other votes off of wagon were eh, but not super sus
" and Aren is a watcher-type who saw Dolby visit Mac the night he died." this is just false and I do not believe that Arenado is trying to even claim that

Vro's contribution is LITERALLY a single list of people. Literally that

Minish slot shouldnt be killed tonight, give them the luxery of catching up pls

We should not no lynch and honestly I'm at the point where I'm willing to self-vote if neccessary to stop it

not happy with the lack of wagon consolidation but I don't think that the players doing it are distinctly scummy, there are just doing to much of it and at a lot of points there individual votes wouldn't make a difference (especailyy if it's close to eod and they think they're going to be the last voter)

still I'd rather more people voted Vro, Vro was the anti-no yeet wagon

I do not like me or Ex wagons

ENE w/e

Saving last post for an hour before day start glgl during night

Exlight pls shoot Vro, thanks

"If you have a traditional lie detect and are baiting me to try to get this post, and use it on me, you will die."
What the hell?

@Arenado can you cut your crap and explicitly tell us whether or not you saw Dolby visit Bob last night?

Gimme a "hell"
Gimme a "yeah"
Stand up right now
And gimme a "hell"
Gimme a "yeah"
Stand up right now
Get ready to go
She ain't movin' slow
She's takin' control
Pushin' the pedal to the floor
I'm beggin' for more
You better hold on tight

Unless it's a passive ability, I'm gonna call BS  that you saw Dolby specifically visit Glorious Bob.

That nothing from the first night that I got? That was from me following Dolby specifically, and I was just gratefully clarified that the "nothing" in the flavor was because literally the person I followed (in this case Dolby) did absolutely nothing.

So as Ex said, please cut the crap.

Remember the time,
When you stood right behind me,
Watching me enjoy the limelight.
The time when I acted stupid,
But you brought the right words to my sight.
The time when I refused to work,
But you kept pushing me to do so.
The time when I had given up on myself,
But with those harsh and emotionless lines you made me believe in who I was.
The time when everyone left,
But you stayed.
The time when I kept arguing over wrong statements,
And when you knew how to counter me with the right one.
All this time long,
You stayed and believed.
Maybe we never realised,
Maybe we never knew.
But this world had these two kinds,
Sherlock and Watson.
Each one searching for the other,
Sherlock's searching for Watson,
Watson's searching for Sherlock,
Maybe they are fine alone,
But maybe they are best when together.
Maybe a Sherlock would have never enjoyed the limelight,
Maybe he would have given up on himself way earlier,
Maybe he would have not been he.
But then Watson made it all happen.
Maybe that is how it works.
*Maybe one day we'll find our Sherlock,
Or maybe one day a Watson would find us.

This is probably my lack of knowledge of roles showing, but can someone clarify what Aren is trying to soft-claim here?  It's clearly not the Detective, otherwise he would have bolded "Sherlock" instead, but I'm curious what he's softing here unless it's the Doctor...but that's confusing because A) His next bit about "reading" would contradict that (as far as my understanding of the Doctor role goes), B) A Doctor wouldn't see a player visiting another unless there's an ability I don't know about, and C) Considering I followed Dolby and nothing happened since Dolby literally did nothing, there's still the fact that Aren claimed he did something that didn't actually occur.

lol recovery

I'll just catch up to this mechanical talk since, apparently, there is more concrete stuff than all of D1 to actually look at. Spares me from going on a binge more so than I already was about to. Let it be known I actually deleted all this, refreshed, went back, then back back and still recovered what I deleted. Fantastic.

Alright. Claims from Ex, Michi, Dolby, and Arena. Putting myself in the moment. 

Huh it encompasses the whole thing. Weird.

Older Content in light of what is being talked about

Note: Old stuff. lol recovery

I'll just catch up to this mechanical talk since, apparently, there is more concrete stuff than all of D1 to actually look at. Spares me from going on a binge more so than I already was about to. Let it be known I actually deleted all this, refreshed, went back, then back back and still recovered what I deleted. Fantastic.

Alright. Claims from Ex, Michi, Dolby, and Arena. Putting myself in the moment. 

Huh it encompasses the whole thing. Weird. Maybe if I put it above it.






I've got two points I have to re-proceed from: page 9 through 25 for the first part of this game (relative to my own perception of having been keeping up) and page 30 through 44 (because I honestly thought it was to 34 and that turned out to be wrong). So this will be good practice for Champs to get the rust knocked off and get me in the right mood.




Overall the few things that have stuck out to me thus far are (in no particular order):

- The post "restricted"

- Glorious Bob

- Lauism and the counter push to peace

- Aers

- ENE

- Dolby


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


Part of this is a rehash with earlier topics previously covered (essentially stuff through 9-25), but with a few additional thoughts on my own end without a full on deep dive (though I might manage that as I continue to listen to this music).

First, wrt to the post "restricted", I've already said that there's not really any reason to believe that they (all of them) are faking (at least the majority of them). My own experiences and feelings of post restricted type roles aside, it's extremely high effort to maintain, consistently, a post restriction. To pretend to have one requires dedication the more "complex" the post restriction is. I'll take Michi as the example for this here: Michi has, as it seems to me, to consistently be posting in the style of "the news". Initially it started as just repeating, more or less, what is going on and adding in "WHAT MORE WILL HAPPEN FIND OUT LATER," etc etc. That, in and of itself, doesn't require a lot of effort; however, here is where the dedication comes in when Michi starts putting forth characters and semi-short stories still in the style of the news (though through the lens of others Michi portrays in his posts). Literal dedication. So much so that if Michi is faking that posting restriction, he's enjoying it. I find it to be more likely that Michi is required to post in a news style that he is just leaning into for the fun of it. That as opposed to literal faking and doing it because why not (which takes a special person to do that, but hey, we did get all that story from Worlds Collide so I could be way off the mark here though I choose to err on the side of what seems more reasonable to me and the former is as opposed to the faking).

All the other restrictions fall below Michi in terms of complexity as far as I am concerned wrt to the likes of rhymes and poems or what not. So that entails Silver and Arena. I'm not counting Aers here. Below them I'd put Aers and Vro.

wrt to Silver and Arena, definitely takes effort to construct your own poems or rhymes. Or, if copying lyrics from elsewhere, a time investment to either mix and match to get a message you want across. To that effect, both Arena and Silver come across to me as genuinely having those kinds of restrictions. I've glanced mentions about how, wrt to Silver for instance, there was an attempt at communication the feeling of being in danger or how Arena and Silver may be lovers/neighbors or something of the such. I don't know, though I wouldn't find the idea in and of itself impossible. After all, the content they put forth is what should matter (and that's something I have not dove into despite wanting to take time to read through the thread -- but I'll choose when I want my eyes to bleed from post restricted poems that may be fluff due to it being D1 because why wouldn't it be just their opinions as opposed to anything else?). Suffice to say, I'm not batting an eye in their direction as of yet though that is by virtue of other, more interesting, things going on as opposed to their content (of their restricted posts).

I've mentioned Vro once before already (Aers too), but in terms of a post restriction -- easily fakeable. If it is one, which I have no basis to assert Vro is faking, it's at the very least not high maintenance to post pictures with words to relate what you want to say (although I should note making your own memes is more of a time investment as opposed to searching some that say stuff you want in a ball park kind of way).

Aers, on the other hand, I know at one point had mentioned making his own poems to put forth to Arena. This was back during the earliest parts of D1. I likened that to meaning Aers, too, had a post restriction though maybe not as harsh as Arena (or the others). In practice, from what posts I've seen from Aers, I haven't actually seen any kind of post restriction so I may have mistakenly thrown him into this group. And, as that may be the case as I think to his responses to me, I find that I've wasted my time here.


Anyway to close out the post restrictions, Vro still comes up as the most likely of these that could be suspect especially since he's not as active as the others are in posting. Michi, by leagues, keeps on trucking while Arena and Silver do their thing (Silver is more of a jumble to me like he has appeared in many past games I've participated with him in and the restriction doesn't help with assessing him).

But yeah, I think I'm comfortable with not viewing Michi negatively given the high effort whereas I do view Vro negatively.


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On the matter of Aers -

I still don't think he is a bad yeet. Matter of fact let me take this section in a different direction (ah HA!):

Note: I tagged it as #1 despite earlier posts. I've started a scan, the good ol fashioned way, to dredge up what he's posted and assess them one by one. So after his disappearance (due to work and the such as he said) I'm keeping track from this post (that I encountered much later) onward:

Aers post#1

https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=7514.msg166087#msg166087

lol recovery

I'll just catch up to this mechanical talk since, apparently, there is more concrete stuff than all of D1 to actually look at. Spares me from going on a binge more so than I already was about to. Let it be known I actually deleted all this, refreshed, went back, then back back and still recovered what I deleted. Fantastic.

Alright. Claims from Ex, Michi, Dolby, and Arena. Putting myself in the moment. 

Huh it encompasses the whole thing. Weird.

I want you to know that after Ex said Dominic was me, I went back and fully read Michi's post completely. I laughed. A strong bond that is felt only one way indeed.

Oh.

Oh no.

Michi. Nooooo.

wrt to Arena

Not a traditional tracker like you seem to be, Michi. Probably something else though names escape me (watcher, fountain watch, something something). In any event, it's possible, too, that Dolby is immune to being tracked thus why you were still in the studio (if the flavor is literal I would imagine). Arena, on the other hand, could have witnessed a visit. That is, he was in the room with Glorious Bob when Dolby visited (throwback to "I read I read in my bed" or some such).

That's just speculation though. The other conclusion is that Arena could be lying and Michi caught him in a lie (certainly more plausible and less assuming).

I'm more interested in the fact that Gerrick went onto Ex last phase. If someone is deserving of dying, that's a mark if ever I've seen one.

wrt to Arena

Not a traditional tracker like you seem to be, Michi. Probably something else though names escape me (watcher, fountain watch, something something). In any event, it's possible, too, that Dolby is immune to being tracked thus why you were still in the studio (if the flavor is literal I would imagine). Arena, on the other hand, could have witnessed a visit. That is, he was in the room with Glorious Bob when Dolby visited (throwback to "I read I read in my bed" or some such).

Normally I'd agree it could be immunity thing, and actually that was my first assumption and partly why I was extra interested in Dolby in the second day on top of what I was already looking at, though I also juggled the idea in my head that it could have been someone else who negated my power (which seemed unlikely since I hadn't mentioned my ability) or someone was protecting him.  When I replied to Mele, I was legit confused what would cause that result before I ran those possible scenarios in my head.

The problem is that I was given clarification earlier this night by our host as to what would cause that quiet result (which confirmed to me that I did in fact find nothing that first night), and the only two situations I was given were that either my target did nothing, or they weren't targeted.  So the idea of them being immune kinda got thrown out of the window, as did the idea that someone else used a power on them since I would have at least seen that they were targeted.

wrt to Arena

Not a traditional tracker like you seem to be, Michi. Probably something else though names escape me (watcher, fountain watch, something something). In any event, it's possible, too, that Dolby is immune to being tracked thus why you were still in the studio (if the flavor is literal I would imagine). Arena, on the other hand, could have witnessed a visit. That is, he was in the room with Glorious Bob when Dolby visited (throwback to "I read I read in my bed" or some such).

Normally I'd agree it could be immunity thing, and actually that was my first assumption and partly why I was extra interested in Dolby in the second day on top of what I was already looking at, though I also juggled the idea in my head that it could have been someone else who negated my power (which seemed unlikely since I hadn't mentioned my ability) or someone was protecting him.  When I replied to Mele, I was legit confused what would cause that result before I ran those possible scenarios in my head.

The problem is that I was given clarification earlier this night by our host as to what would cause that quiet result (which confirmed to me that I did in fact find nothing that first night), and the only two situations I was given were that either my target did nothing, or they weren't targeted.  So the idea of them being immune kinda got thrown out of the window, as did the idea that someone else used a power on them since I would have at least seen that they were targeted.

lol so Aren is lying (obv) and didn't target me, nice

I will confirm that I did not take a night action last night

reiterating for @ExLight that I am a bad vig shot and shooting me really just ruins my game and is against the purpose of both our roles. However, if it appears that I am going to be the yeet of tomorrow, and not Aren, please shoot me. I have reason to believe that me being shot will go a long way to proving that Aren is a baddie of some type, and probably trying to take advantage of it being flipless to get a free kill of some type without accountability.

Let's get Aren, tonight or tomorrow

Also pretty sure that the "watson" stuff is supposed to be "what, son", which would mean that Aren is tripling down (he doubled down when he confirmed Mel's theory and Mel is going to need to spend a post, possibly two, tomorrow explaining how they got to the conclusion that I was specifically tracked, I guess I can see how they could have felt that Aren got mech info on me, but the specificity of tracking feels to much like a frame job. Like, not even space for a watch). As I say it, the two of them should be one and two, and frankly, anybody who votes no yeet tomorrow when we have THIS is scumsiding. I'm probably gonna be more comfortable with votes on me/Michi when we have THIS

Also, if people are going to gaslight others that the two of us (me and Michi) are scum, have the decency to vote me please, instead of Michi. Mech better in most respects imo. Lau's gonna be like "Dolby why are you advocating votes on yourself", but nah, it's objectively the right move.

I read in my bed is a pivot and not even a lookout claim but frankly I know they're lying so just shoot/yeet him please. Regardless of what they pivot to the fact remains that they claimed to see me visit, I did not visit, and it's confirmed by another player.

Michi I love you, also if you targetted me last night please claim bc someone is going to say "well that could mean that Dolby just wasn't targetted" and scum is just going to jump on it to save Aren bc that idea that they're a lookout and not a tracker has already been floated. Or they're gonna go for no yeet again

this is my last post. I wanted to save it but frankly I'm to excited

wrt to Arena

Not a traditional tracker like you seem to be, Michi. Probably something else though names escape me (watcher, fountain watch, something something). In any event, it's possible, too, that Dolby is immune to being tracked thus why you were still in the studio (if the flavor is literal I would imagine). Arena, on the other hand, could have witnessed a visit. That is, he was in the room with Glorious Bob when Dolby visited (throwback to "I read I read in my bed" or some such).

Normally I'd agree it could be immunity thing, and actually that was my first assumption and partly why I was extra interested in Dolby in the second day on top of what I was already looking at, though I also juggled the idea in my head that it could have been someone else who negated my power (which seemed unlikely since I hadn't mentioned my ability) or someone was protecting him.  When I replied to Mele, I was legit confused what would cause that result before I ran those possible scenarios in my head.

The problem is that I was given clarification earlier this night by our host as to what would cause that quiet result (which confirmed to me that I did in fact find nothing that first night), and the only two situations I was given were that either my target did nothing, or they weren't targeted.  So the idea of them being immune kinda got thrown out of the window, as did the idea that someone else used a power on them since I would have at least seen that they were targeted.

Michi I love you, also if you targetted me last night please claim bc someone is going to say "well that could mean that Dolby just wasn't targetted" and scum is just going to jump on it to save Aren bc that idea that they're a lookout and not a tracker has already been floated. Or they're gonna go for no yeet again

this is my last post. I wanted to save it but frankly I'm to excited

Technically I already did claim it, but yes I'll say it again.  I followed Dolby on night 1 because I was curious after the oddness from both you and Lau, and you seemed more like the obvious choice to watch.  The result was absolutely nothing, and from what I was told in clarification by the host it's because you yourself did nothing and weren't targeted by anyone else.

I'll wait before saying who I chose to follow tonight, though, and see where things go.

Which by the way is gross. Affirming that me and Dolby can't be same alignment is just nasty because a scum can just say that to have a follow mislynch when one of them flips green. If anything my interaction with Dolby shows that we're not likely to be scum together, which still includes the possibility of Town-Town; which is removed when people simply come here saying hurr durr you two aren't the same alignment

I'd be surprised if you both flipped town. I don't see anything wrong with that, seeing that you two are my largest scum-reads. I'm not going to say: "You're right, my top two scum-reads are probably just both town." I never said you couldn't be scum-scum. That's nothing I've looked into. That's something you added in there yourself.

I have literally claimed my role in-thread and the fact people aren't considering it before running their mouth first vomit nonsense shows they're either being malicious or straight up fucking lazy and should go back and do their basic shit before vomiting misvotes here. You're just saying you don't like my posts, then do us the basic and tell is WHAT you don't like about our posts? Because what I mainly did was complain that people were faking restrictions as a way of CWACing all Day which made things convoluted and more favorable to scum, what about looks so bad to the point of yall setting up the terrain for a CFD on me?
Is it my scumread on Dolby due to what I perceived as an attempt of rolefish information out of Laurentus? Is it my scumread on ENE over him overthinking scenarios and wordings to throw shade at people? Is it my disappointment at the players faking restrictions and providing no relevant content like reads? Step the fuck up and explain what you find so scummy about me because I've been busting my ass here and reaching closer and closer to the cap while yall almost getting modkilled for inactivity aint doing shit but bark at the wrong tree if yall remotely considering lynching me. I might be adopting a more aggressive posture this game but unfortunately this is the way it has to go when almost 1/2 of the game is barely saying anything or posting nonsense.

The game isn't even inactive. I find it scummy of you for getting mad at people not giving a case why they're voting you and yet you're scum-reading people for "almost getting modkilled for inactivity". A game with a 2-post minimum over 48 hours will attract players that are only planning to post a couple times per day phase. And there's nothing wrong with that. Getting mad at them for being wrong (in your opinion) doesn't help.

Yes, I appreciate when players actively try to solve the game, but going on a rant when you have accumulated two votes and getting aggressive at low-posters isn't really the way to go. Your "aggressive posture" has nothing to do with you constantly trying to discredit people (my 2nd and 3rd post regarding Lau/Aerso; Anub, Gerrick and me for "shading" you; KoD's vote on you; literally all low-posters as well as a lot of the players with post restrictions).

Dolby was literally accused of being the serial killer, and I repeat: didn't refute it when he was called it, and despite of what it seems didn't refute it when they were called out by me about it (wasting time posting "do I really have to make a post saying I'm not the SK" is still not the same as saying "I'm not the SK", and so they still havent refuted the accusation).

Didn't you literally just say "[...] includes the possibility of town-town" between you and Dolby? Or are you just trying to come up with reasons why scum-reading Dolby is wrong when I do it, but correct when you do it?

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Quite frankly Ex, i think that your role is town, you are towny, and I do not think I should die, or that I in any way am playing to a point where I deserve to die so I will say it so bluntly. Though I think that I have to for you is quite ridiculous. We shouldn't expect people defending themselves from someone who comes in saying that "X is mafia" without any real backing to explicitly say I am not mafia, but I will go through this for you.

I am town
I am not a serial killer.
I am not mafia.


If you have a traditional lie detect and are baiting me to try to get this post, and use it on me, you will die.

The accusation in the first place is quite flimsy, I do not see how Melehan can even begin to construct specifically "Arenado is a tracker who tracked Dolby to Mac". I asked to be tracked today, I did not visit Mac last night. Arenado has not done anything close to confirming this allegation, and if they do, or instead choose to not do something that obviously rejects the notion that they tracked me to Mac, they should be next in the chop pile

Wischland deciding to vote no lynch now is incredibly partnered with Vroendal, especially after they actually made the decision to vote ENE yesterday. Vro is like, distinctly the scummiest non-fake post restrictioner. I found hope that Vroendal is shot tonight by Exlight if he chooses to not retain his shot. While I hope that Cereal's role was hidden to make it clear that they shouldn't have actions on them tonight and to protect it in case a replacement was found, it seems far more likely that janitor is a passive effect. Still, I find it far more likely that there is simply only mafia, rather than mafia and an sk and the mafia's kill was blocked at the start of night. I think it is likely that Lau simply wants to get in 3 unopposed kills, get rid of the ability to bypass mylo, or just waste our 3 no yeets for


Other votes off of wagon were eh, but not super sus
" and Aren is a watcher-type who saw Dolby visit Mac the night he died." this is just false and I do not believe that Arenado is trying to even claim that

Vro's contribution is LITERALLY a single list of people. Literally that

Minish slot shouldnt be killed tonight, give them the luxery of catching up pls

We should not no lynch and honestly I'm at the point where I'm willing to self-vote if neccessary to stop it

not happy with the lack of wagon consolidation but I don't think that the players doing it are distinctly scummy, there are just doing to much of it and at a lot of points there individual votes wouldn't make a difference (especailyy if it's close to eod and they think they're going to be the last voter)

still I'd rather more people voted Vro, Vro was the anti-no yeet wagon

I do not like me or Ex wagons

ENE w/e

Saving last post for an hour before day start glgl during night

Exlight pls shoot Vro, thanks

That was not what I said at all. I said Aren was a Watcher who watched Mac and saw you visit on N1, which is when Mac died.

So let me bold this since this blatant mischaracterization seems to have derailed the entire thread:

Aren is NOT a Tracker. Aren is a WATCHER. He did not target Dolby; he targeted GLORIOUSBOB.

THERE IS NO INCONSISTENCY OR CC INVOLVED.

Or, I tried to bold that, but it didn't stick.

Honestly, Dolby's entire post there that I quoted is a gross mischaracterization of a lot of things. He still insists the only thing Vro contributed is a single list of names, which is clearly disapproven by looking at Vro's post history.

The sheer amount of shade and misdirection in that one quoted post makes me feel very sure Dolby is bad news.

Which by the way is gross. Affirming that me and Dolby can't be same alignment is just nasty because a scum can just say that to have a follow mislynch when one of them flips green. If anything my interaction with Dolby shows that we're not likely to be scum together, which still includes the possibility of Town-Town; which is removed when people simply come here saying hurr durr you two aren't the same alignment

I'd be surprised if you both flipped town. I don't see anything wrong with that, seeing that you two are my largest scum-reads. I'm not going to say: "You're right, my top two scum-reads are probably just both town." I never said you couldn't be scum-scum. That's nothing I've looked into. That's something you added in there yourself.

I have literally claimed my role in-thread and the fact people aren't considering it before running their mouth first vomit nonsense shows they're either being malicious or straight up fucking lazy and should go back and do their basic shit before vomiting misvotes here. You're just saying you don't like my posts, then do us the basic and tell is WHAT you don't like about our posts? Because what I mainly did was complain that people were faking restrictions as a way of CWACing all Day which made things convoluted and more favorable to scum, what about looks so bad to the point of yall setting up the terrain for a CFD on me?
Is it my scumread on Dolby due to what I perceived as an attempt of rolefish information out of Laurentus? Is it my scumread on ENE over him overthinking scenarios and wordings to throw shade at people? Is it my disappointment at the players faking restrictions and providing no relevant content like reads? Step the fuck up and explain what you find so scummy about me because I've been busting my ass here and reaching closer and closer to the cap while yall almost getting modkilled for inactivity aint doing shit but bark at the wrong tree if yall remotely considering lynching me. I might be adopting a more aggressive posture this game but unfortunately this is the way it has to go when almost 1/2 of the game is barely saying anything or posting nonsense.

The game isn't even inactive. I find it scummy of you for getting mad at people not giving a case why they're voting you and yet you're scum-reading people for "almost getting modkilled for inactivity". A game with a 2-post minimum over 48 hours will attract players that are only planning to post a couple times per day phase. And there's nothing wrong with that. Getting mad at them for being wrong (in your opinion) doesn't help.

Yes, I appreciate when players actively try to solve the game, but going on a rant when you have accumulated two votes and getting aggressive at low-posters isn't really the way to go. Your "aggressive posture" has nothing to do with you constantly trying to discredit people (my 2nd and 3rd post regarding Lau/Aerso; Anub, Gerrick and me for "shading" you; KoD's vote on you; literally all low-posters as well as a lot of the players with post restrictions).

Dolby was literally accused of being the serial killer, and I repeat: didn't refute it when he was called it, and despite of what it seems didn't refute it when they were called out by me about it (wasting time posting "do I really have to make a post saying I'm not the SK" is still not the same as saying "I'm not the SK", and so they still havent refuted the accusation).

Didn't you literally just say "[...] includes the possibility of town-town" between you and Dolby? Or are you just trying to come up with reasons why scum-reading Dolby is wrong when I do it, but correct when you do it?

The game wasn't inactive?
up to the last few hours of yesterday D2 had barely any posts from half of the members, this included KoD, Marzipan, Anubhav, Wischland, Silver, Gerrick, and *You*.
Not mentioning players that took a while to post stuff like Aerso, Arenado, Vroendal, and Mele.
If the game isn't inactive it's because of a few people like me, Dolby, and Lau who have been using their post cap as much as they can as opposed to you. 🙄 If the game is more active now maybe you should consider that it was BECAUSE players like me were constantly prodding for activity instead of coming here saying "uuh akshually game is active". You were barely in the thread unless you're lurking, who are you to evaluate the activity better than any of the previously mentioned members? Like jesus, you can just look for Hapi posts and you'll see she had to prod them multiple times inside and outside the thread to get the posting.

And you can be scumreading Dolby and/or me, but you're not doing that; you're picking two people who are on opposite sides of a discussion and saying "oh one of them MUST be scum", which is different from having arguments for both of them. 

it makes literally no sense to say one of us isn't town rather than say we can't be scum together other than push an agenda on trying to lazily lynch both of us because you're not even bothering to present arguments on those reads other than just comparing us

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I'm having a hard time quoting stuff on mobile but replying to Dolby I honestly can't tell who's scummier between you and Arenado because clearly at least one of the two is lying. 
I don't appreciate Dolby trying to fearmonger us with some sort of PGO claim, be it my shot or an eventual lie detector (even though lie detector usually target posts not players so :red_flag: ), which by itself goes against Michi's claim from last Night. There's also some weird wording from it with "ruins my game and is against the purpose of both our roles" like what do you even MEAN ruins YOUR game? 

On the other hand Arenado's claim ALSO goes against Michi's claim AND Dolby's claim, which is also fairy rotten. We also know that (if he really has a post restriction) he's able to write his own custom poem, which makes him lazily using real stuff and bolding extremely low effort. Mele seems to know their role and is protecting them, though.