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Scum being in my neighborhood is a good thing for town - this is patently ridiculous, but makes sense if we view her in light of being a cult leader with her own agenda instead of a town aligned neighborizer. Adding scum to her team gives her power over that member, remember that she said that Vro openly admitted to being a wolf in her chat, why in the world would he do that unless she had some sort of power to control his future. He didn't choose to reveal who his teammates were so she decided to get rid of him via lynch - a lesson for others in her cult?

I don't think I've ever seen a Werewolf role described so sinisterly...you make her sound like she's leading the Borg, assimilating players into her personal collective and compelling them wholesale.

Which is what it seems to come down to...at this point it's clear that Abbi is not town, though of course there's some debate on whether her continued presence in the game benefits town or not. But regardless, she's going to continue assimilating players unless roleblocked, is she not? So I would think if this isn't considered to be a good thing, it would be best to vote her off sooner rather than later. Have I missed something in my logic there?

I can also confirm that I've never heard of unexpected cheddar until just now when I read the thread. We don't have a Trader Joe's in my own area, so I wouldn't have known.

As for my role, unless I've embarrassingly misunderstood my role, I don't have the power to steal someone else's vote.

I thought ENE was a flavor cop??

He sure as shit didn't provide flavor when he "visited me for my own good" right?

that's 

a very good point :notlikeduck:

Scum being in my neighborhood is a good thing for town - this is patently ridiculous, but makes sense if we view her in light of being a cult leader with her own agenda instead of a town aligned neighborizer. Adding scum to her team gives her power over that member, remember that she said that Vro openly admitted to being a wolf in her chat, why in the world would he do that unless she had some sort of power to control his future. He didn't choose to reveal who his teammates were so she decided to get rid of him via lynch - a lesson for others in her cult?

I don't think I've ever seen a Werewolf role described so sinisterly...you make her sound like she's leading the Borg, assimilating players into her personal collective and compelling them wholesale.

Which is what it seems to come down to...at this point it's clear that Abbi is not town, though of course there's some debate on whether her continued presence in the game benefits town or not. But regardless, she's going to continue assimilating players unless roleblocked, is she not? So I would think if this isn't considered to be a good thing, it would be best to vote her off sooner rather than later. Have I missed something in my logic there?

I can also confirm that I've never heard of unexpected cheddar until just now when I read the thread. We don't have a Trader Joe's in my own area, so I wouldn't have known.

As for my role, unless I've embarrassingly misunderstood my role, I don't have the power to steal someone else's vote.

It's really quite a jump from I'm assimilating players to I'm anti town. For all you know maybe I'm not even a cult, maybe I'm something better,  something more advanced

@Neon Abigail: In fairness, I said if it's not considered a good thing.

was her getting blocked related to you dousing her?

I can confirm undoubtedly that it was not

I don't understand these roleblockers moves conspiracy shhdjfjgmf

WHY THE FUCK WOULD BOTH YOU AND ME GET BLOCKED

I am 89% sure scum has a blocker and 65% sure ENE blocked me for "my safety"

So you're saying that ENE blocked you for your safety? That implies that you're 89% sure that scum blocked Ex then? Or am I misunderstanding something. Because you earlier said that you found Ex scummy and now you're saying that someone on his own team blocked him? Got any bridges for sale?

was her getting blocked related to you dousing her?

I can confirm undoubtedly that it was not

I don't understand these roleblockers moves conspiracy shhdjfjgmf

WHY THE FUCK WOULD BOTH YOU AND ME GET BLOCKED

I am 89% sure scum has a blocker and 65% sure ENE blocked me for "my safety"

So you're saying that ENE blocked you for your safety? That implies that you're 89% sure that scum blocked Ex then? Or am I misunderstanding something. Because you earlier said that you found Ex scummy and now you're saying that someone on his own team blocked him? Got any bridges for sale?

Yes I  found Ex scummy multiple days ago before he claimed he could out his role and than got supposedly Roleblocked 

Also the working theory is that ENE was a jailkeeper role and that he took me to jail to protect me from dying. Also would explain his confusion on his role.

@Neon Abigail: In fairness, I said if it's not considered a good thing.

Yes I  found Ex scummy multiple days ago before he claimed he could out his role and than got supposedly Roleblocked

Supposedly? When he made the post stating that he had been blocked, he included wording something to the effect that he was too scared to go out at night - and you confirmed that as being roleblock language. So are you now saying that you don't find him scummy? Or are we still trying to figure out why a scum roleblocker would block a teammate? The things you're saying don't really follow a logical pattern when I put your various posts together.

I certainly don't have any idea what his role is, but I can tell you for a fact that he can steal a vote from someone and place it on the person that he votes for. I noticed a discrepancy in the vote totals listed at EoD1 compared with the number of names listed beside each recipient, but chalked it up to human error in the counting/posting of the results. At EoD2 it was more obvious, since we had the vote feature by that time and so the discrepancy could no longer be attributed to a mistake made by one of the hosts. At first I thought that he might just have 2 votes himself, but then I noticed that wagons that he didn't vote for were missing a vote on each of the first 2 days - that's how I came to the conclusion that he's stealing or redirecting votes rather than having multiple votes himself. That can be of massive benefit to the town at the end of the game.

And I don't care how you win, I simply know that your win condition does not benefit the town, it benefits you. Which means that you need to go. The fact that Vro 'openwolfed in your town because he knew you could help' is an argument FOR lynching you. If a confirmed scum was willing to work with you then that definitely proves that your interests and the town's interests are not the same.

I like how you just up and decide this super shady move is pro town with no basis what so ever.

As for the last sentence in my last post, it's basic. There is no logical nor reasonable basis for your assertion that Neon is cult. It's strictly fear mongering. Meanwhile I've been providing multiple counter points in the form of her headstart and dead neighbors not flipping cult. If you took five minutes to think on it you'd probably see how bjorked a cult would be in such a situation. This is likely why Ex has quelled. But I think your Wolfy blood lust is getting the best of you here and it's likely going to be the death of you.

@ExLight, Neon is towing my line because I made it clear that I was dousing her last night. Survivor 3ps are easy to take control of when you're an unstoppable killing force.

There's nothing shady at all about it. The evidence was given to every single player in this game who bothered to read the vote results. I can't believe that I (and possibly Ex) are the only ones who have figured it out yet.

You're definitely a wolf. Trying to argue that a role you believe covertly steals votes has no shade to it at all because there's evidence in thread? Let me put it to you differently then see if you feel the same. The scum NK is evidenced in thread. Every player has access to that information. It must be a town ability. I mean it's very hard to argue against this logic, right? :Rolleyes:

@ExLight, it's not that busted if you balance it right. Have it shut off in LyLo, it essentially balances the potential betrayal in numbers from Vro. Makes enough sense as possible scum role. Also I've been blocking you because I find it hilarious. 

@Wintermoot, do you mind putting down a claim since you apparently have two players asserting that is your move contrary to your word? 

I certainly don't have any idea what his role is, but I can tell you for a fact that he can steal a vote from someone and place it on the person that he votes for. I noticed a discrepancy in the vote totals listed at EoD1 compared with the number of names listed beside each recipient, but chalked it up to human error in the counting/posting of the results. At EoD2 it was more obvious, since we had the vote feature by that time and so the discrepancy could no longer be attributed to a mistake made by one of the hosts. At first I thought that he might just have 2 votes himself, but then I noticed that wagons that he didn't vote for were missing a vote on each of the first 2 days - that's how I came to the conclusion that he's stealing or redirecting votes rather than having multiple votes himself. That can be of massive benefit to the town at the end of the game.

And I don't care how you win, I simply know that your win condition does not benefit the town, it benefits you. Which means that you need to go. The fact that Vro 'openwolfed in your town because he knew you could help' is an argument FOR lynching you. If a confirmed scum was willing to work with you then that definitely proves that your interests and the town's interests are not the same.

I like how you just up and decide this super shady move is pro town with no basis what so ever.

As for the last sentence in my last post, it's basic. There is no logical nor reasonable basis for your assertion that Neon is cult. It's strictly fear mongering. Meanwhile I've been providing multiple counter points in the form of her headstart and dead neighbors not flipping cult. If you took five minutes to think on it you'd probably see how bjorked a cult would be in such a situation. This is likely why Ex has quelled. But I think your Wolfy blood lust is getting the best of you here and it's likely going to be the death of you.

@ExLight, Neon is towing my line because I made it clear that I was dousing her last night. Survivor 3ps are easy to take control of when you're an unstoppable killing force.

There's nothing shady at all about it. The evidence was given to every single player in this game who bothered to read the vote results. I can't believe that I (and possibly Ex) are the only ones who have figured it out yet.

You're definitely a wolf. Trying to argue that a role you believe covertly steals votes has no shade to it at all because there's evidence in thread? Let me put it to you differently then see if you feel the same. The scum NK is evidenced in thread. Every player has access to that information. It must be a town ability. I mean it's very hard to argue against this logic, right? :Rolleyes:

@ExLight, it's not that busted if you balance it right. Have it shut off in LyLo, it essentially balances the potential betrayal in numbers from Vro. Makes enough sense as possible scum role. Also I've been blocking you because I find it hilarious.

@Wintermoot, do you mind putting down a claim since you apparently have two players asserting that is your move contrary to your word?

I'm sorry, but where I normally play we use something called vote analysis. We look at who voted for whom, and when. You can't possibly tell me that I'm the only player (or possibly one of two) who has noticed these discrepancies. And it's a bit disingenuous of you and Ex to throw all of the shade on me for saying what I did when Ex has been claiming for more than one day that he knew that Moot had a power ability. I'm simply the first one to point it out. I may have gotten the specifics of the role wrong with my guess, but something has to account for the fact that votes aren't being counted for the players they've been placed on, and have instead been applied to the wagon that he chose to vote for. It's so blatantly obvious that I simply figured everyone else knew it as well unless they were just not paying attention or trying to find the wolves by looking at who voted for whom and using deductive reasoning.

Im not shading you for throwing it out there. I'm shading you for the position of holding it to obv town standards when it's clearly a shady role. When I saw it's covert I mean that literally. It's not openly announced. The players whose vote seems to be modified aren't aware of it. For all intents and purposes it just seems to be an error on the mods part. It's clearly intended to be a buried function. And that is shady. And you openly defending it with little or no reason makes you shady by association. 

Im not shading you for throwing it out there. I'm shading you for the position of holding it to obv town standards when it's clearly a shady role. When I saw it's covert I mean that literally. It's not openly announced. The players whose vote seems to be modified aren't aware of it. For all intents and purposes it just seems to be an error on the mods part. It's clearly intended to be a buried function. And that is shady. And you openly defending it with little or no reason makes you shady by association.

Well that may be a misconception on my part then. I'm just looking at the odds. We started this game with at least 3 3p players (no idea what Captan's win con or abilities were), an unknown number of wolves, someone or multiple someones with extra night kills, at least one day kill, a possible (?) scum with role block powers (not sure on that one just yet). That's a lot of obstacles for the town to overcome. So yeah, maybe I'm just hoping that the person who gets extra votes or can change votes or whatever the exact mechanics are turns out to be a member of the town to try and balance things out. I could very well be wrong about that. As for any defensive tone I may have today, it's probably because for the past few weeks I've had enormous pressure on me at work - we got bought out recently and the new owners may decide to simply close our company and a lot of the employees I manage have been doing some ridiculously stupid things lately and it's driving me crazy. I'm fighting multiple battles, one to save my job irl when everyone around me seems to be determined to force us into bankruptcy, and one here, trying to save the town against seemingly insurmountable odds. I'm also growing more anxious as the days go forward because I will find out in 6 days whether my cancer treatments were successful or not. The chemo and radiation have played havoc with my body and my mind and for someone who is accustomed to being the smartest person in almost any room he finds himself in it's very depressing to suddenly have chemicals coursing through my body that affect my memory and thinking. So I apologize if I come across as gruff, it's not who I normally am. I'm just about to go crazy with everything I'm currently dealing with.

Also, I earlier said I found it odd that Gerrick knew with certainty that the quotes in EoN flavor were all from scum chat - but I hadn't really read all of those because I took the view that the flavor didn't really matter - I simply looked to see who, if anyone, had died during the night. So I took the time to go back and find all 5 of the quotes, and I've changed my mind on that front. 4 of the 5 definitely appear to come from the scum chat so it stands to reason that the cheese bit did as well. I still disagree with his assertion that I made one of those statements, and Moot himself has said that he's never had/heard of that particular type of cheese. So I still find it strange that Gerrick feels confident in claiming that the two of us made those two particular statements.