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  • Ok good, got what I needed, we’re safe to submit the factional on Lau now
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  • Those who are running the development skin will see that there's some new Werewolf-related things.

    There's a round/phase clock, which can be updated by the game hosts (who are also listed in the topic now).

    There's also something else, but it is not ready for prime time...the data it uses is what I manually put in the database to test the display, and there's no current way for players to record. I will work on finishing this as soon as possible, and will make a more detailed announcement when it's ready. In the meantime, if you see it and want to give feedback, I'd love to hear it. :)
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    1. Click the drop down menu at the top with your username.
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  • Meh, most reactions from that probably will just be pointless follow the leader regardless of alignment. The only real analysis that needs to be done are the outlier responses (CL, Dolby for respective reasons are the only two off the top of my head), Laurentus (because you always analyze the executor), and Gerrick (as the target of said ploy). You start with Lau and work forward from your conclusion there. No need to double work or wait for a flip.

    Idk I feel that there's a number of people that apply to this trope this game but this is kinda "we should do this analysis" posts that don't actually analyze, and I don't like them bc they aren't actually doing that AND they arent transparent about it. Like, there's nothing to analyze from Gerrick, he posted after Laurentus retracted his claim




    @Laurentus, I included Dolby because of their call out as possible reaction test. Even if their vote followed along, calling it out before Gerrick has had a say taints the field for further responses. This warrants a further look than just a basic message received and vote response.

    Pretty alright push towards me tbh. I will say that I reacted that way bc I wanted Lau to know that I wasn't blindly following his claim, particularly after our hydra game.
    I like how you're trying to shade me for not analyzing and then call the one sample of analyzing I've shown from the reaction section of today pretty alright in the same post. At best you can say I haven't been transparent but what about me has screamed ultra transparent to you so far this game? I won't argue on KoD's part though. There's a reason I balked at the idea we were mind melding as well. I'm pretty sure Lau is picking up in the same vibe as well. His play has been off for awhile. I feel like he's forcing himself into the old him although he doesn't have the energy for it. But this get feels extra. Could be a scum team egging his activity. Could be something else. I haven't decided yet. But he does seem to want me to heavily favor his side. 
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  • last time I put effort here I ended up lynching like three town power roles in a row so it's not like I'm too eager to attempt to townlead again anyway lmfao

    :nottoday:
    What a sad excuse.
    I hate to say this but towny frustration
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  • Ghosh has been stuck on me/Laurentus for like 48 irl hours lol
    You remember Cute_Panda from Mario Mafia 2? That's Anu. I'd say his paranoia is very well founded.
    wait but didn't they say Attack on Titan was their first game when we played it? :notlikeduck:

    did they lie to us back then
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  • Ghosh has been stuck on me/Laurentus for like 48 irl hours lol
    You remember Cute_Panda from Mario Mafia 2? That's Anu. I'd say his paranoia is very well founded.
    wait but didn't they say Attack on Titan was their first game when we played it? :notlikeduck:

    did they lie to us back then
    No, AoT was his first. Mario Mafia was on the CFC subforum at MU, and it was after AoT. Not that any of this is relevant to this game.
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  • Yeah, see, here's the thing. A lot of your statements here are not supported by facts. For example, you say it didn't get any reactions, but our D1 lynch was to a large extent derived from it, and many players, including No Name, Abigail, Anubhav, Cozmikrae and Dolby, did get readable reactions from it. It helped me gain a better read on ENE, TGN and Anubhav, for example, and seeing as all three tend to be less active and overwhelmed, I call that a win every day of the week. So to say it didn't net any reactions is a bold-faced lie.

    Also, your statement about seeing I lied merely through people's comments in-thread is absolutely nonsensical, because I actually went back and checked, and all anyone summarising the events said was that I lied, they didn't say I lied to get reactions. That is something that could only have been found in my post where I retracted. So either you DID read my post and are lying about it (scummy) or you didn't read it and only got updated on that part through scum chat (again, scummy).

    Yes, the inherent risk of such a play is always that a town can respond negatively to it and a PR could stupidly expose themselves. I took every step I could to mitigate that risk, by for example saying I only had one chance to use it, generating the impression I could be a Jack-of-all-trades type role, which wouldn't be directly in contention with any more standard investigative roles actually in the game. The nonsensical nature of a day cop was another safeguard and I'm surprised so many people went with it. And that's also why I retracted right before going to bed, despite not having yet achieved my goal of getting Gerrick to react. Despite all that, yes, it does remain a risky play. But it's only anti-town in a Town that plays badly to begin with and would expose themselves in a situation like that.

    If you are Town, you also haven't considered what benefit Wolf!Me gains in this situation. In that worst case scenario where a Town PR does expose themselves, I'm automatically dead. Even in a best case scenario, the play is so chaotic that I bring myself down in the PoE order for a lot of people on principle, and practically invite a Seer to scan me on top of that. So it would be way more anti-wolf than anti-town.
    A better read, lmfao. It's D1 and you're there acting like any reaction to your pseudo-trick means anything.
    Also mitigate the risk lmfao, how about, like, not causing such a risk in the first place over subjective information? Is it really worth it to risk PRs to expose themselves for you to have a weak lean over people? Are you going to stick to these reads until the end of the game or something? Why ya treating it like they're a holy scripture lmfao they're very likely to change completely by D2 or D3, or as mechanical information comes out so no definitely weird reason to pull something like this
    :crab: this is scummy as heck :crab:

    Lying to get reactions is the expected, anyone with basic logic can figure you'd go for that excuse, why else would someone lie and backpedal on the same day :nottoday:
    And you did mention that you did it for that reason a couple times, not in just a single post, when skimming I saw it here and there. And I think you're having some trouble realizing that you didn't repeat every single thing in every single post you made. Hell even if you did mention only in the one and the same post as the name change doesnt mean me skimming paid the same amount of attention to every sentence? I don't know why you're obsessing with assuming that me skimming means I either assimilated everything or nothing, it doesn't even make sense?? Skimming is inconsistent and results in just bits of information being understood, that's, like, common sense meaning in the very word right :notlikeduck:

    Also, yes I have. Wolf you can always use the "it makes no sense for a wolf to expose themselves this early" sort of rhetoric, which we both know is bull lmao. Mafia usually knows what they have and what they might expect from stuff, as far as I know your scummates could have something like a deflector or tailor, or you be a godfather. Not to mention that it's a decent way to kinda coordinate reactions from scumbuds for them to look townie since it's not like they would ever fall for it if such bluff came from one of their teammates, right? There's literally no risk in the reactions for mafia and it only results in town looking bad.


    "For example, you say it didn't get any reactions, but our D1 lynch was to a large extent derived from it, and many players, including No Name, Abigail, Anubhav, Cozmikrae and Dolby, did get readable reactions from it."

    It's more accurate to say that CL continually posting just dug himself into a hole which was a greater part of why so many actually voted him in the first place vs him actually *not* reacting to the fake claim/lie. The lie was the catalyst more so than anything.
    This. Oh god am I agreeing with you I hate this
    Lunch flipflopping and random tunnelings were what really caused him to die, it was largely unrelated to your fake claiming shenanigan.
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  • One more thing wrt to Ex:

    The way he's acting by not putting so much effort out means he's likely alone. Why?

    Because the last time I saw him put in so much effort was when he was actively working with baddies as town. Granted that was ooooo, probably a good 9 months ago, but still. Besides, I'd expect him to be much more obtuse as scum.
    You clearly have a very different view of Ex's meta than I do.
    to be fair he did play more games with me than you
    but honestly I feel like you two are off on what my scum meta is lmfao
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  • And I don't particularly see where he thougth I was town? He's been displaying his paranoia "for 48 irl hours" as you put it.
    If he is wolf he knows you are tiwn

     or 3 p but just

    w/e
     
    how does them possibly being 3p even matter here
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  • Hey everyone!

    While you're waiting and before I forget, let's congratulate our first recipients of getting bonus points from the last round.  Congrats to you guys!

    Bonus Points total:
    Laurentus: 1
    Neon Abigail: 1
    Gerrick: 1
    Eastern New England: 1
    Wintermoot: 1
    NoName: 1


    Players scored bonus points this round for putting their votes in a bold color different from the rest of the text.  So if you bold voted in boring default black, you didn't get the point.  Also, if you rescinded your vote, your bonus point was also rescinded.

    Next day phase, you'll get a bonus point for saying a specific word.  I won't say what word it is, but you'll know it if you got the point!  And please, Keep doing the bold color votes since it makes it easy for Ruguo and I to spot. This isn't required, but it does help find votes in a sea of basic black text in a currently over 40 page game.

    Have a great night phase!
    fudge I thought of doing it but I thought it was just a quirky joke not a real mechanic :nottoday:
    I want bonus points too
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  • Ghosh has been stuck on me/Laurentus for like 48 irl hours lol
    You remember Cute_Panda from Mario Mafia 2? That's Anu. I'd say his paranoia is very well founded.
    wait but didn't they say Attack on Titan was their first game when we played it? :notlikeduck:

    did they lie to us back then
    No, AoT was his first. Mario Mafia was on the CFC subforum at MU, and it was after AoT. Not that any of this is relevant to this game.
    ooh ok
    thanks for the clarification 
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  • Yeah, see, here's the thing. A lot of your statements here are not supported by facts. For example, you say it didn't get any reactions, but our D1 lynch was to a large extent derived from it, and many players, including No Name, Abigail, Anubhav, Cozmikrae and Dolby, did get readable reactions from it. It helped me gain a better read on ENE, TGN and Anubhav, for example, and seeing as all three tend to be less active and overwhelmed, I call that a win every day of the week. So to say it didn't net any reactions is a bold-faced lie.

    Also, your statement about seeing I lied merely through people's comments in-thread is absolutely nonsensical, because I actually went back and checked, and all anyone summarising the events said was that I lied, they didn't say I lied to get reactions. That is something that could only have been found in my post where I retracted. So either you DID read my post and are lying about it (scummy) or you didn't read it and only got updated on that part through scum chat (again, scummy).

    Yes, the inherent risk of such a play is always that a town can respond negatively to it and a PR could stupidly expose themselves. I took every step I could to mitigate that risk, by for example saying I only had one chance to use it, generating the impression I could be a Jack-of-all-trades type role, which wouldn't be directly in contention with any more standard investigative roles actually in the game. The nonsensical nature of a day cop was another safeguard and I'm surprised so many people went with it. And that's also why I retracted right before going to bed, despite not having yet achieved my goal of getting Gerrick to react. Despite all that, yes, it does remain a risky play. But it's only anti-town in a Town that plays badly to begin with and would expose themselves in a situation like that.

    If you are Town, you also haven't considered what benefit Wolf!Me gains in this situation. In that worst case scenario where a Town PR does expose themselves, I'm automatically dead. Even in a best case scenario, the play is so chaotic that I bring myself down in the PoE order for a lot of people on principle, and practically invite a Seer to scan me on top of that. So it would be way more anti-wolf than anti-town.
    A better read, lmfao. It's D1 and you're there acting like any reaction to your pseudo-trick means anything.
    Also mitigate the risk lmfao, how about, like, not causing such a risk in the first place over subjective information? Is it really worth it to risk PRs to expose themselves for you to have a weak lean over people? Are you going to stick to these reads until the end of the game or something? Why ya treating it like they're a holy scripture lmfao they're very likely to change completely by D2 or D3, or as mechanical information comes out so no definitely weird reason to pull something like this
    :crab: this is scummy as heck :crab:

    Lying to get reactions is the expected, anyone with basic logic can figure you'd go for that excuse, why else would someone lie and backpedal on the same day :nottoday:
    And you did mention that you did it for that reason a couple times, not in just a single post, when skimming I saw it here and there. And I think you're having some trouble realizing that you didn't repeat every single thing in every single post you made. Hell even if you did mention only in the one and the same post as the name change doesnt mean me skimming paid the same amount of attention to every sentence? I don't know why you're obsessing with assuming that me skimming means I either assimilated everything or nothing, it doesn't even make sense?? Skimming is inconsistent and results in just bits of information being understood, that's, like, common sense meaning in the very word right :notlikeduck:

    Also, yes I have. Wolf you can always use the "it makes no sense for a wolf to expose themselves this early" sort of rhetoric, which we both know is bull lmao. Mafia usually knows what they have and what they might expect from stuff, as far as I know your scummates could have something like a deflector or tailor, or you be a godfather. Not to mention that it's a decent way to kinda coordinate reactions from scumbuds for them to look townie since it's not like they would ever fall for it if such bluff came from one of their teammates, right? There's literally no risk in the reactions for mafia and it only results in town looking bad.


    "For example, you say it didn't get any reactions, but our D1 lynch was to a large extent derived from it, and many players, including No Name, Abigail, Anubhav, Cozmikrae and Dolby, did get readable reactions from it."

    It's more accurate to say that CL continually posting just dug himself into a hole which was a greater part of why so many actually voted him in the first place vs him actually *not* reacting to the fake claim/lie. The lie was the catalyst more so than anything.
    This. Oh god am I agreeing with you I hate this
    Lunch flipflopping and random tunnelings were what really caused him to die, it was largely unrelated to your fake claiming shenanigan.
    Where have I been treating my reads as gospel? I first thought TGN's reaction to my claim was Towny, and revised that opinion to say it's actually coming across as too derpy to be real. And I push myself to get a lot of reads on D1 because I typically don't survive very long, and I like the personal challenge of seeing how close my PoE can get to the scum team. Also, your stance here that my reads are too set in stone is wholly contradictory to your previous stance that it didn't provide reads at all. Tbh, tunneling is part of your Town meta, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised if this is Town you, but the contradictions are just insanely hard for me to square with.

    The whole middle part just comes across as being caught in the lie and flailing now.

    And yeah, you know what, fair perspective for the last paragraph. It's incredibly wrong and misguided, but it at least makes sense. 

    Assuming you're correct and I'm scum, who's my team? Vro asked you this question when you got tunneled on him, too, and you never bothered to think it out. So if you're Town, do better. Especially if you're truly so hung up on mislynching so badly last game.
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  • One more thing wrt to Ex:

    The way he's acting by not putting so much effort out means he's likely alone. Why?

    Because the last time I saw him put in so much effort was when he was actively working with baddies as town. Granted that was ooooo, probably a good 9 months ago, but still. Besides, I'd expect him to be much more obtuse as scum.
    You clearly have a very different view of Ex's meta than I do.
    to be fair he did play more games with me than you
    but honestly I feel like you two are off on what my scum meta is lmfao
    Clearly, I have never seen you play scum, though.
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  • you're a meanie
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