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Lil' Wolf I: Party On, Wolves
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  • This... isn't very fun at the moment to be completely honest. Two no votes in a row, actively being sabotaged and now this really tiny post limit has made this game extremely hard to handle for me and it feels like we are not going to be accomplishing anything without relying on the seer to play the game for us. To be honest, this completely saps any will I had to play.

    First point: Laurentus... I thought you knew better honestly than to try to sabotage what I was going for yesterday. Why would I, if you were assuming I'm a human, sacrifice getting town read to try to get a defender to protect me last night? That would be conete absurdity. And don't give me the "I wanted to draw the defender off of you" thing because there are two defenders in the game and I think it's pretty obvious that the other one would have protected you anyway. There is literally zero reason for me to stake myself like that unless I'm town and if I did that as town then you'd better bet that there was a damn good reason I didn't want to get attacked last night. I've openly asked to be checked by the seer and I've made posts in the thread to strongly discourage myself from being nightkilled. I think you of all people should please just attempt to evaluate why I would ever make those posts and preferably think about what I'm trying to achieve before you try to stop me from doing it because you were very close to causing a disaster yesterday. I'm not annoyed at you but please seriously just consider why I would ever make plays like that as scum (I wouldn't obviously) and, even if you can't tell exactly why I'm making those plays (although I think you can work it out) please just avoid actively sabotaging somebody you read as town lol. And yeah obviously I'm not 100% on ENE being scum or I'd have deathtunneled him.

    Second point: Reads.

    Town Read:
    NyghtOwl
    Laurentus (Yes, I still think he is town)
    Doc

    Town Lean:
    TGN - Like his enthusiasm, seems very genuine and I really doubt he would be able to fake that. More suspicious if Vro is town for him following my reasoning yesterday despite scumreading me.
    cozmikrae - A bit like TGN, she has a very pure tone which is hard to replicate as scum. Please don't chop here if I die.
    BSR - Like his content and tone, not enough posts to be more confident on reading him. More suspicious if Vro is scum.

    Null: (Good seer targets)
    Anubhav Ghosh - Definitely playing differently to last game but his intentions feel pure.
    Sapphiron - Seems pretty towny overall but I'm definitely worried that he's attempting to go deep / pocket me.
    Taulover - Most of what they've said has been NAI but I don't see how them
    Hydra - Pretty similar to Taulover in that I don't have a grasp on them yet.

    Scum Lean:
    Gerrick - Reads progression yesterday was really weird, especially about me and Anubhav. Playing very differently to last game and his reads seem a lot more opportunistic/ingenuine than then. Good partnership equity with Vro.
    ENE/Vro - ENE was well within his scumrange based on the meta I described yesterday. I really don't like his response to being pushed at all either. The TGN counterwagon was for bad reasons and co trained a lot of shifty votes. Not lock scum but the best lead we have for today and I think we really should be eliminating either him or Gerrick.

    With that being said:
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  • Well, one thing to categorically state right off the bat:

    Vro is Town. Don't vote for him. If he becomes a majority today and you waste your 4 posts and can't unvote, you'd better believe you'll be on my shit list forever.
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  • Consider me withdrawn from this game. I can't live with a 4 post limit.
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  • Yeah @Michi I think 4 post limit is a bit excessive... perhaps a 1 per 2 hours time limit instead? That seems like itd be enough of a deterrent to kill some unnecessary one sentence responses, but not too much to totally strangle game dialogue?
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  • 4 is purely just going to be for this phase.  I plan on increasing it in future phases, most likely doing 10 per person next phase to see how that goes.  I just figured I'd start at the lowest end of the scale first.

    But also keep in mind as I said, this doesn't include votes/unvotes/vote changes.  Any votes you do will not count at all towards the post limit.
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  • Also, as they've both noted in here and Disord, both LoS and Laurentus have been removed from the game at their request.

    Unfortunately, I only had the one sub, so they're both just modkilled.

    Laurentus was a Wolf Friend, and Legacy of Smiles was one of the Happy Wolves.
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  • Sorry but I do think 4 posts/day limit is absurd.

    Even in older games you did need that core of players driving some activity, and 4 posts is really pushing against the limit (if not being too much) for that.

    Combine that with the fact that it is clear that culture has already changed for homegrown Werewolf players here, and I think it's definitely too little. Even I, king of the inactives, might need to start worrying about my post count, which is just weird.

    Also combine with the fact that this is already a very active game; I think trying to change it so drastically right in the middle is not satisfying and will be very confusing to navigate in-game. Am concerned that we might see this game putter out to an underwhelming end with players having lost interest, as has happened with several games in the past that started out with extremely high activity and for various reasons (e.g. host inactivity) became far less active several day phases in.

    I definitely agree with what some others said on Discord that slowmode (perhaps 1 post + correction/edits post per hour) makes most sense. There was a concern about enforcement. Post limit would also need to be enforced, and would largely be enforced by honor system too, so I don't really see an issue there.
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    Lau and LoS got modkilled , and we now know the roles , hence here goes my trust on them , so the vote
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    Town
    BSR: Seemed townie till now .
    Doc: Seems genuinely interested to solve the game.

    Null:
    Nyght
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    Hydra
    Cozmik
    TGN

    Scum:
    Vro: ENE sub
    Sapph: Hit Lau out of the blue , kept me in front and maybe added weight to suspicion on Lau , with me and ENE making hard moves.
    Gerrick: LoS read
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  • Alright, here goes my first post of the phase, gotta make it count. Hello friends! I'm sure we'll have a wonderful time, this party is a real opportunity to change some human minds about wolves. ^-^

    I must confess that I have no particular insights to offer in the way of specific human reads yet, I officially joined this Day Phase only to see my top two town reads gone and a human lean nightkilled, so that was a fun scramble of a re-read trying to see where I went wrong and trying to figure out how to progress. However, I think we can learn a few things from this night kill.

    The humans are more unlikely to be a team made up of only TGN/Nyght/cozmik/ENE (wink wink) and possibly Anubhav, as those players did not have extensive knowledge of Colby, and from their experiences in the last game I feel would have gone for players such as Doc/Sapph/BSR instead of Colby if they were afraid a kill attempt on Lau/Legacy would be blocked. The kill on Colby indicates to me that it was either a defender dodge, a PR read, and/or fear of him as a player, as he was being publicly sussed and voted in the thread. All of this reasoning together leads me to the conclusion that Gerrick, Doc, BSR, tau, Hydra, or Sapph was more likely to decide Colby as the night target. I'm not completely convinced Anubhav wouldn't have picked Colby to frame those players be honest, but I see it as much less of a possibility.

    Hesitantly, I'm liking Doc's change of approach, I feel that he would be more likely to attempt to blend in with last game's actions rather than making a whole new style, and I'm not seeing anything in his posts that ping me as notably suspicious. Let's not go after Hydra today either. I'm not really town-reading Gerrick, BSR, tau, or Sapph yet. I know that many have been town-reading BSR, maybe it's just my inexperience with him showing, but I'm not quite convinced of him yet.

    Based on PoE, this leaves the players I think are most likely to contain a H-H-H-HUMAN (Dun dun DUNNN) and therefore the players I would like to push most today as the following:
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    tau
    Sapph


    I will be attempting to analyze their posts to see what reads I can come up with, I would appreciate if all of them used their 4 posts today, and used them wisely. I would also appreciate if we stuck with those four, unless someone sees a very compelling reason we should go after someone else.

    I have no defense for any posts or actions made by ENE, as I am not ENE and do not speak for him. Therefore, I'm just going to try to make the most of my own posts. If you have questions, I will attempt to answer them to your satisfaction, but I may or may not answer them immediately to minimize the number of posts I make in case other players have questions. I apologize for the wall post y'all, but with a max of 4 posts and a lot to say it really kinda has to be done.

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    Hydra

    I'm fairly certain that at least one of Hydra and taulover is scum (but probably just one). There's no way that Michi made a special game for players like them and not give one of them a power role (scum are power roles, right?). Colberius was town, and I don't think either is a seer or defender, so that leaves scum.

    It's really a tossup between the two. Hydra has only posted in total twice to vote each day phase. Taulover has talked a bit, although a good chunk was about the running and playstyles of the game. Tau is slightly more useful, so I'm going with Hydra.

    Vote: Hydra

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