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Something I've been deliberating: how do people feel about ENE's sudden read change on me? Anybody can feel free to chime in.

I think it rather suspicious, so I agree with you there.  But then again, it's quite easy to paint someone as a wolf when they already have a wagon on them, even if for some reason ENE is a defender, etc. 

So I'm not sure what he could do other than to change reads on you so you relent (if that makes sense?)

Hmm. Can I get some outside perspective here? Am I really that scary that it would inspire someone to tunnel me this much?

  In my opinion you're not.  Very loud and very active, yes.  But scary to the point someone would tunnel to an extreme, definitely not.  Nothing you've done so far has been very different from standard Lau directing conversation in a werewolf game. 

With all due respect, posts like this are ones that really just clog up the topic and make it unnecessarily hard to follow, without adding anything.

^^ Second this considering like 10 pages have been posted in the period from last night when I last looked to now 

I also want to hear from @Hydra as soon as possible because I either want someone who I can trust or vote for sure. 

Further: How long do we have before vote? 

In any case, just to spur him to tell me whatever the hell EIWOP means, I'm going to Vote: TGN because I don't feel quite right voting ENE or Anu, even though I can admit I definitely see some flaws in Anu's logic.  That can usually be indicative of anything really, but it's not nearly as completely crappy as Nyght's last game, so I can't be sure that it's scummy at all. 

****ADDITION: SERIOUSLY?!  6 new posts in the time I was replying?   

There is not a Wolf alive I'm more afraid of than Sapph.

And honestly, I'm pretty much ready to just go ahead and town lean you for now, LoS.

Yeah, I seriously doubt ENE is a defender, or I would have expected his first reads list to have had at least one town. Instead it was just me and LoS as scum.

Yeah, I seriously doubt ENE is a defender, or I would have expected his first reads list to have had at least one town. Instead it was just me and LoS as scum.

Same for if he was seer I would hope.

Alright, so:

At this point I definitely think our main wagon should be ENE. If he's Town, then I am very confident he's not any role we need to worry about, like a Seer or defender, so we'd lose comparatively little. He also has a better case against him than any of the other low-posters, since it's based on meta from LoS specifically, and it will be a good chance for us to gauge to what degree we wish to trust LoS's reads going forward. If he actually does flip scum, then in my mind, I would immediately feel a lot more comfortable with LoS, since he doesn't strike me as someone who would needlessly bus.

Both LoS and Anu asking to be scanned (and in both cases, even before they were considered for wagons) also does give me pause to lynch either one of them.

I actually think ENE is scum.

do you think that because there can be only one turtle?
but you do make a good point, in your other posts.
Vote: Make ENE Leave

its one turtle from the beginning , LoS is tortoise

U r still due on reasoning , and for some reason I feel that u are desperately trying to adhere to the towny TGN in the AoT game , the casual guy.I checked LotR game , and it seemed a wolf you is much for serious and active . I can't go for Lau or Sapph either , its not a safe bet to initiate a lynch against the best guns we may have . And so:

Vote: Make TGN Leave

Can we focus, please? Let's choose two people who we have the most scum equity for and have them be the main wagons. All these vanity wagons make analysing voting history when people start flipping useless.

I didn't vote for ENE cause I feel that he might have a PR , I would likely wait a bit more , thanks to the Vro and Sapph scandal , I witnessed in my very first game

Can we focus, please? Let's choose two people who we have the most scum equity for and have them be the main wagons. All these vanity wagons make analysing voting history when people start flipping useless.

Which two do you mean , TGN is not a vanity wagon ig . Its TGN wagon and ENE wagon atm. Can you help me with a vote count ?

I didn't vote for ENE cause I feel that he might have a PR , I would likely wait a bit more , thanks to the Vro and Sapph scandal , I witnessed in my very first game

If he's a PR, it isn't defender, so it can only be the Seer or a Wolf. And I don't think he's the Seer, either, since he flip-flopped heavily with regards to LoS, and I would expect a much stronger push against me if I was his scan and ended up being a red check.

Actually, good question, I don't know the current vote count myself.

I didn't vote for ENE cause I feel that he might have a PR , I would likely wait a bit more , thanks to the Vro and Sapph scandal , I witnessed in my very first game

If you look at ENE's reads list, you'll see that he has no town reads. As Lau pointed out, it doesn't make sense for either power role to not point out the person they know is currently town for certain.

Even if ENE didn't want to risk revealing his partner / scan, he could have just copied a couple of their town reads and used them as his own.

I didn't vote for ENE cause I feel that he might have a PR , I would likely wait a bit more , thanks to the Vro and Sapph scandal , I witnessed in my very first game

If he's a PR, it isn't defender, so it can only be the Seer or a Wolf. And I don't think he's the Seer, either, since he flip-flopped heavily with regards to LoS, and I would expect a much stronger push against me if I was his scan and ended up being a red check.

I can't spend a word going against this .

Can you please elaborate?