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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

Ex, I have never seen a tunnel this long, even from myself. You take my every action and try your best to work it against me, ignoring the previous points you had seen in my favor. You refuse to believe anything I say or even consider the course of action if I flip town besides jumping off a cliff and throwing yourself in a volcano.

I don't mock players, and especially not in thread, I perhaps tease them, but it's not malicious like you're making it sound. Every player is different because every person is different, just because I'm doing things that make me seem scummy to you does not mean that I'm scum. They can be accounted for by mental state, gameplay differences, gameplay perspective, experience, and just a different brain in general.

Stop tunneling just for one hour, I understand if you want to lynch me, but this tunneling is highly, highly detrimental to town.

Minish Post

Ruguo - 1 (Red Mones)
Red Mones    - 1 (Wintermoot)
Vroendal - 1 (Sapphiron)
Adorable Oracle Hapi - 4 (NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, Cozmikrae)
Michi - 4 (Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland, Minish)
BraveSirRobin - 1 (Imaginative Kane)
Cozmikrae - 1 (Hapi)

Ruguo - 9 (Red Mones, Vroendal, Gerrick, Anubhav Ghosh, Sapphiron, Minish, Michi, Melehan, Cozmikrae)
Vroendal - 5 (Ruguo, BraveSirRobin, Wintermoot, NyghtOwl, Doc)
BraveSirRobin - 1 (Imaginative Kane)
Doc - 1 (TGN)
Eastern New England - 1 (Self)

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
Sapphiron - 6 (Minish, Imaginative Kane, TGN, Wintermoot, Legacy of Smiles, Human Dawn)
BraveSirRobin - 2 (Gerrick, NyghtOwl)
TGN - 6 (Vroendal, Sapphiron, Wischland, BraveSirRobin, Doc, ExLight)

TGN - 8 (BraveSirRobin, Doc, ExLight, Gerrick, Imaginative Kane, Minish, Red Mones, Wintermoot)
Imaginative Kane - 6 (Anubhav Ghosh, Cozmikrae, Legacy of Smiles, TGN, Vroendal, Wischland)
BraveSirRobin - 1 (Michi)
Cozmikrae - 1 (Human Dawn)


Interestingly, Vro and Wisch are the only two who voted for TGN against Sapph, but not against Kane. Dunno if that means anything.

I don't think Doc and Vro are aligned. Doc has a pretty bad voting history actually. But I don't know if he's one to bus or not, because the Silver lynch was prime bussing opportunity.

Looking at the votes on Silver (Red Mones, Vroendal, Gerrick, Anubhav Ghosh, Sapphiron, Minish, Michi, Melehan, Cozmikrae), it looks like a pretty decent list actually.
I know I'm town, I really believe Red to be town, Anubhav seems town, Sapph is flipped town, Michi seems town, Melehan is flipped town, and I'm kinda town leaning Cozmik at the moment. So that just leaves Vro and Gerrick as the unknowns though I'm also kinda town leaning Vro even though I'm a bit paranoid about him.

Interestingly, I was just searching the print page to see if I could find where Gerrick's vote actually fell on Silver and I found a reads list that I'll talk about in a separate post. But it kind of makes me suspicious of him.

Oh fuck me, I just remembered looking back how bad Gerrick's vote on Silver was. Dunno how I forgot this. I had broken the tie between Silver/Vro and Gerrick voted after me. But he only voted because he said he would to prove he and Silver weren't connected and Red told him to prove it. I felt not great about that at the time and it completely slipped my mind.

Nevermind this post has turned into looking at Gerrick, so gonna post the reads list here.

Spoiler

Lean Town
Wintermoot: Reads very similar to how he played last game when he was town.
Nyght: Seems to genuinely try to get the hang of this as a new player out in the open rather than talking to fellow wolves in private chat were he scum, so I'm town-reading him.
Kane: Seems to be genuinely helpful and trying to find scum.
Wischland: Appears to be acting the same as last game (which involved jumping on bandwagons) when she was town. Would like to hear more from her.
Dawcreek: Has yet to post. This lines up with last game (when he was town) where he ended up backing out of the game because it was overwhelming. I expect the same to happen again, unfortunately.
Minish: Making some really good points on people and sussing them out/asking people for meta.
Vroendal: Going a little hard on Michi considering the meta evidence (metevidence?) isn't as strong as he believes it is, but he is going hard on people like last game when he was town. I don't see the links between players he's talking about, though.

Neutral
Alexander Valentine: Has not posted, but has been online. Again, a new person, so understandable if he's overwhelmed.
Doc: Has made some reasonable points on suspicions. Looking a little more town than last game when he was scum.
cozmik: People are unfortunately fixated on her joke vote on Red (I know how that goes all too well). Don't like the whole "playing my strategy close to the chest" bit, which in general is not good for town, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt right now since she's new here, and hounding on the new players is no fun.
Melehan: At first went hard on the RP chaos aspect (I assume she's taking a page from Hapi's playstyle after she read last game), which makes me lean scum, but then later she seemed to be really digging and coming to some of the same conclusions I am on people.
Hapi: I find her accusations against cozmik to be weak, but other than that there's not much to go on besides the memes. Hard to read Hapi.
Ruguo: Has spoken quite a bit but has been pretty shallow in their suspects, but I find their recent analysis prompted by Vro to be reasonable.
Red Mones: I don't buy the accusation that he's knowingly protecting cozmik because he's scum -- I'd do the same thing in his place. He has been playing very defensively, though, and I don't like how he doesn't have a vote in right now.
TGN: I don't think anyone can comprehend his actions. He seems to be on a level higher than everyone else, and his chaotic tendencies rival Hapi's.
Ogun: Has only made one post showing worry about the amount of posts to catch up on. Hope he ends up reading through it all and making a vote like he did last game as town. If not, he'll move to the scum section for me.
ENE: Posted a copypasta about why everyone should vote D1 then hasn't voted or even posted beyond that. He did turn out to be town last game while being quiet, though, so that might just be his style.

Lean Scum
Michi: Honestly, I'm surprised my vote turned into a wagon, but I'm sure as hell not gonna change my vote in case he turns out to be scum (someone's gotta die anyway). But his reactions to the wagon are kinda rubbing me the wrong way, luckily. Although his non-vote appears to be NAI in his case, he seems to really want everyone to be more quiet and less aggressive, which is usually better for the wolves.
BSR: Made a post asking about roles, and that's it. Tried to look helpful before falling back into the shadows? He's been online...
Sapphiron: Voted based on "RNG", and then stated we shouldn't take D1 discussion as very important, but that's it. Everything's important this early on, so don't know why he'd downplay it already (understandable later on, though)

Okay so, I colored the flips from his list and this is from d1. But, the contents of the list are interesting and seem vaguely familiar to how I'll do reads lists as scum sometimes in that he throws a few people who he knows are town in the town reads, has some nulls to be able to throw some sus on later, and then lists 3 scum leans. I find the list interesting for d1, because he has 3 scum leans and quite a few town leans already. But also the fact that of his town reads (Winter, Nyght, Kane, Wisch, Dawcreek/Anubhav, Me, and Vro), there are some very iffy reads in there and a few people I'm currently unsure about. I know I'm town and I believe Nyght and Anubhav to be town. But the ones that are interesting are Winter, Kane, and Wisch who he gives shallow reasons for town reading, who hadn't posted as much as a lot of people in his nulls, and who are still in PoE at the moment.

Gerrick had a bunch of people in his neutrals that had posted quite a bit, and he even reads some of them a certain way (ie, saying Doc seems townier than last game) yet that's not enough to read them but he had enough to read Winter, Kane, and Wisch?

As for his scum leans, we already know Sapph was town, Michi seems to look town, and BSR is an unknown. Though Gerrick did stay off the two town wagons of Sapph/TGN d3 and voted BSR instead, so I'm kinda feeling maybe BSR is town that scum was trying to make an easy mislynch push on now...


I think I'd feel pretty good about voting Gerrick today.

We've ignored this for a while.

Gerrick/HD Post

poem for reference

Life’s a theatre we enter into,
And here’s a sneak peak to our grand preview,
Curtains unfold quick be at the centre,
From the sides here comes your fellow actors.
Look at the script! Remember be genuine,
Audience dislikes the boring or brazen,
To tear in merry and grin in dismal,
Stay on stage and don’t reach for the aisle.
No, no, you have it backward,
Welcome to an absurdist stage staged for the absurd.

The way I'm reading Sapphiron's poem is as if he were in the point of view of one of the people he scanned. Unless there's an encrypted message as others seem to be trying to decode, it seems that there's only one player being talked about in the poem.

If we assume he scanned Melehan Night 1 based on this, and he died on Night 3, that means he had only scanned one other person on Night 2. My guess is that the poem is about this person.

The way it reads to me is that the curtains unfolding are the start of the game, and "quick be at the center" could mean someone jumping out to be in the spotlight. If you go back to the start of the game, you'll notice that this very easily fits Red Mones' first post. "From the sides here comes your fellow actors" could then just mean that the rest of the players entered the game following this. "Look at the script! Remember be genuine": after Red's initial post, he goes for something more serious/helpful. "Audience dislikes the boring or brazen / To tear in merry and grin in dismal" could refer to his behaviour which was neither quiet nor very agressive, while the latter could refer to the amount of emojis he uses. "Stay on stage and don’t reach for the aisle / No, no, you have it backward" could refer to how he was initially very active ("staying on stage" rather than "reaching for the aisle"), but in Day 3 he went very quiet ("reaching for the aisle" rather than "staying on stage").

This would give me the impression that Sapphiron scanned Red Mones and with the whole acting theme going on that he is scum. HOWEVER, with this post (which took place pretty early on Day 3 as if he wanted to leave a clue to clear Red), it appears that he's hinting that he's town. Ergo concordantly vis a vis, I believe that Red Mones is town.

Unless somebody else can scrape something from that poem or perhaps plug a different player into it that works out a little clearer.

This post is the best analysis of the poem - I agree that Red Mones was likely the check here. It could not have been... but I town read Red Mones enough that I don't really care if it actually wasn't right now.

However, Gerrick and Red look good from this ARGHHHHHHHHH

Gerrick/HD Post

poem for reference

Life’s a theatre we enter into,
And here’s a sneak peak to our grand preview,
Curtains unfold quick be at the centre,
From the sides here comes your fellow actors.
Look at the script! Remember be genuine,
Audience dislikes the boring or brazen,
To tear in merry and grin in dismal,
Stay on stage and don’t reach for the aisle.
No, no, you have it backward,
Welcome to an absurdist stage staged for the absurd.

The way I'm reading Sapphiron's poem is as if he were in the point of view of one of the people he scanned. Unless there's an encrypted message as others seem to be trying to decode, it seems that there's only one player being talked about in the poem.

If we assume he scanned Melehan Night 1 based on this, and he died on Night 3, that means he had only scanned one other person on Night 2. My guess is that the poem is about this person.

The way it reads to me is that the curtains unfolding are the start of the game, and "quick be at the center" could mean someone jumping out to be in the spotlight. If you go back to the start of the game, you'll notice that this very easily fits Red Mones' first post. "From the sides here comes your fellow actors" could then just mean that the rest of the players entered the game following this. "Look at the script! Remember be genuine": after Red's initial post, he goes for something more serious/helpful. "Audience dislikes the boring or brazen / To tear in merry and grin in dismal" could refer to his behaviour which was neither quiet nor very agressive, while the latter could refer to the amount of emojis he uses. "Stay on stage and don’t reach for the aisle / No, no, you have it backward" could refer to how he was initially very active ("staying on stage" rather than "reaching for the aisle"), but in Day 3 he went very quiet ("reaching for the aisle" rather than "staying on stage").

This would give me the impression that Sapphiron scanned Red Mones and with the whole acting theme going on that he is scum. HOWEVER, with this post (which took place pretty early on Day 3 as if he wanted to leave a clue to clear Red), it appears that he's hinting that he's town. Ergo concordantly vis a vis, I believe that Red Mones is town.

Unless somebody else can scrape something from that poem or perhaps plug a different player into it that works out a little clearer.

This post is the best analysis of the poem - I agree that Red Mones was likely the check here. It could not have been... but I town read Red Mones enough that I don't really care if it actually wasn't right now.

However, Gerrick and Red look good from this ARGHHHHHHHHH

To be completely honest, no matter who the wolves are at this point I think every player has done at least one thing that would probably have made me town read them in a normal game. I'm genuinely a little stumped that there's nobody I really have below a null read any more.

Vro, where are you in terms of your reads right now if you don't mind?

Vro, where are you in terms of your reads right now if you don't mind?

I'm trying to figure those out now, and I'm having the greatest difficulty ranking my town leans, I actually don't have anything near a set list for them anymore. This is a little rough, but here's where I'm at right now.

Town Core -
ExLight
Red

Town Leans -
Gerrick
Nyght
Legacy
Wintermoot
Doc
Anubhav

Null -
Michi

I'm a little afraid of a Legacy/Anubhav/Michi team at this moment in time to be completely honest, Legacy, but I'm still not really seeing it.

Why don't both the Defenders just soft, so that we know who they are. That way they can just defend themselves at night, we don't lynch them during the day, and it'll show us that either Vroendal really is a Defender or he's lying and we get an easy scum lynch?

I'll personally say that it wouldn't be a big deal for me to get lynched. It wouldn't be good since I'm still town, but it wouldn't be as big of a deal as if, say, a Defender got lynched.

Scum actually votes scumbuds a lot during RVS, so I don’t see why Silver wouldn’t do that. It’s NAI if not slightly scummy.

Does this extend to a scum actually being Michi? Because in that case I will be extremely... irritated at myself.

Why don't both the Defenders just soft, so that we know who they are. That way they can just defend themselves at night, we don't lynch them during the day, and it'll show us that either Vroendal really is a Defender or he's lying and we get an easy scum lynch?

I'll personally say that it wouldn't be a big deal for me to get lynched. It wouldn't be good since I'm still town, but it wouldn't be as big of a deal as if, say, a Defender got lynched.

The issue is that softs are, as the name says, soft and might go unnoticed. Player have also been mildly inactive, so a real defender might miss this.

The people I don't have a town lean on are like... Gerrick and Wintermoot and that's about it at this point.

Ex, I have never seen a tunnel this long, even from myself. You take my every action and try your best to work it against me, ignoring the previous points you had seen in my favor. You refuse to believe anything I say or even consider the course of action if I flip town besides jumping off a cliff and throwing yourself in a volcano.

I don't mock players, and especially not in thread, I perhaps tease them, but it's not malicious like you're making it sound. Every player is different because every person is different, just because I'm doing things that make me seem scummy to you does not mean that I'm scum. They can be accounted for by mental state, gameplay differences, gameplay perspective, experience, and just a different brain in general.

Stop tunneling just for one hour, I understand if you want to lynch me, but this tunneling is highly, highly detrimental to town.

About 70% of my tunnels turn out to be right. You’re the only lynch that makes sense here, and you know you had to die and even so managed to get a mislynch last second despite knowing your flip could clear or doom multiple players.

If you’re a defender you just shot Town in the head by making coz and Red save your ass.

CAN WE PLEASE JUST DO VRO

HE WASNT SUPPOSED TO BE WALKING AROUND SINCE D5, BUT STILL HERE THREE CYCLES LATER POCKETING EVERYONE AND GETTING AWAY WITH THESE ABSURD CLAIMS

IF HE WAS A DAMN DEFENDER HE WOULD’VE SOFTED ALL TARGETS ONE MORE TIME INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME MAKING A POST SAYING WHAT BOTH DEFENDERS SHOULD DO AFTER HIS DEATH WHICH COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS HIS CLAIM

*inhale*

What can I say? I have an aversion to getting mislynched.

And again I really don't see how my lynch will clear or doom anyone, the arguments you've been making about my scum team/who you'll vote next if I'm town has been all WIFOM as far as I'm concerned. I don't know who it is, I've been floundering around since D2. The only thing my lynch will do is close the PoE tighter, which I don't need to necessarily be dead for town to do, and bring the wolves that much closer to winning.