View Topic

[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

Sorry Anubhav, I know you're seeing a lot of things, but I would find it very highly unlikely to be Ex from his pushing style, tone, effort, and other little things I've noticed. If you're set on him, I understand, but at least try and lynch him as the last wolf alive instead of right now.

Yeah , my posts do seem I value my posts much and assume other doing so (I do value, no questioning that)

But my strongest suspicion lies on Moot

If you want to decide on my slot more feasibly, why not lynch Moot? My EoD voting pattern hasn't been that bad either, coinflip two null reads, lynch a wolf, try to save the Seer, try to save TGN, vote a townie that seemed suss imo, and vote Moot who I am almost certain is a wolf yesterday. I think I've been on the better side of the lynched for the most part, I think I actually look better than you in that case.

Why would I lynch Moot if I feel like you’re more likely to be scum?

Coinflipped two people likely to be town, voted the scum only as OMGUS to self preserve, tried to “save” the seer after pushing his lynch despite realizing he was softing and then jumping out of it during EoD when it was unstoppable. As far as I reread up to D3 these are really scummy, not townie, mainly because the final vote counts give a false impression that you were always on the right side of history, when in reality you seemed to throw shade at multiple places without putting your vote where your mouth was. This got slightly better, but I can’t help but notice it was after you got put a bit under the spotlight. I don’t even think this is a case of TWTBW because you’re somehow going under the radar?

If Moot is scum, who do you think are his scumbuds? He wouldn’t be working by himself. Can you give me a list of 3 players you suspect to be his scumbuds and maybe show some links between them?

my Pinkie Promise! ùmú

 and Vro aren’t scum together no matter how I look at it, and to me Vro has a lot more of scummy stuff going for him.

Since you keep defending Vro of course I can’t help but assume you’re connected.

Tbh if Moot wagon is successful , I will have hell lot of suspicion on his defenders previously and non voters , only if Moot flips scum . There has to be support from scum to save him since it will become a two scum party then , and that will help us get a catch.

New tinfoil theory, TGN is the lynchproof scum and that’s why they were overlyconfident D2. A scumbuddy points out that even though he wouldn’t die from a lynch it would still expose him since he’s the only one like that. He then starts panicking at the idea of getting lynched.

Possible . Btw could u shed light on Moot , as i said , i need some help and basically i am using much analysis that comes from others . Also i made a synopsis of Sapph's poem , maybe u can justify whether it fits or not

Moot didn’t stand out much to me but I liked his posts enough for him to be a townleanto me. I’ll reread them in the afternoon and I’ll give you an updated opinion on it.

I lost my D3 recap post so I’m having to rewrite it all. umu

Just got to the part Moot votes Sapph, and yea it’s pretty bad. They even acknowledge Saph’s soft saying that they’re more important to Town alive than dead.

Unvote
Vote: Wintermoot

Can we get a votecount? I might vote Doc depending on who’s more viable atm.

I feel like there’s something terribly off in the Vro/Doc/BSR bunch. I can see a Vro/Doc team or a Doc/BSR team, but not a Vro/BSR. In any case Doc seems to be the common factor here.

ExLight supported and read Moot as town when I asked him about his opinion after Sapph lynch . He did say about updating his read , which never came . Later on last day he voted BSR first(probably, need to check this fact). Then came a post of mine where I said everyone defending Moot and not voting him would make them an evident target for me , and guess what , the VERY NEXT POST WAS A EXLIGHT UNVOTE , and he went in for Moot (guess he took the bait). Also the knack of ExLight to hit upon under-the-radar posts makes me think , he didn't ignore my post and the unvote and vote was a reaction to that

Yea, I agree I’m flipflopping hard on the Moot’s slot. But I don’t want to keep spending lynches on people for information and hoping one flips scum now that I feel like we can spot at least one or two scum with all the stuff we have atm.

And I used the pinkie promise not to look townie, but to force the people that think I’m scummy to trust me blindly, lol. It’s a guarantee I’m Town: it already reduces the PoE, forces scum to try to get rid of me (which could result in me protected and thus WIFOMing them into killing less Townread players), and if anything it should help people reevaluate interactions about me which also helps scumhunting; it’s not really just about me.

As for me kinda scumreading you, yea. You already showed that you’re aware your inexperience might help you get a free pass with scummy stuff, so I don’t see why I shouldn’t be taking some of your actions with skepticism. I don’t sense paranoia or exhaustion from your pushes despite 4 mislynches in a row, which I feel should be expected; and your interactions with Vro have been making me uncomfortable and afraid of Powerwolfing.

Why would I lynch Moot if I feel like you’re more likely to be scum?

Coinflipped two people likely to be town, voted the scum only as OMGUS to self preserve, tried to “save” the seer after pushing his lynch despite realizing he was softing and then jumping out of it during EoD when it was unstoppable. As far as I reread up to D3 these are really scummy, not townie, mainly because the final vote counts give a false impression that you were always on the right side of history, when in reality you seemed to throw shade at multiple places without putting your vote where your mouth was. This got slightly better, but I can’t help but notice it was after you got put a bit under the spotlight. I don’t even think this is a case of TWTBW because you’re somehow going under the radar?

If Moot is scum, who do you think are his scumbuds? He wouldn’t be working by himself. Can you give me a list of 3 players you suspect to be his scumbuds and maybe show some links between them?

Because while approaching the game from the perspective that I'm scum you've lynched only town.

I wouldn't say that by Michi's/Hapi's defenses they were likely to be town, only by D1 standards. I voted Silv to self-preserve but also because I saw the basis behind the pushes against them and I had been worried about Silv being able to fake their posts and of myself being pocketed D1. Yeah, but a PR soft doesn't mean a believable soft, you can soft all you want but if I don't see a good basis for you being a PR or your innocence I'll still push it. His post after that looked a lot better to me. Yeah, I threw shade, nothing wrong with that, I wanted reads. The convo's from that day and from my shade-throwing and the subsequent responses led me to decent resting points at the end.

If Moot is scum, I think Wisch could be scum because her vote yesterday could be interpreted as trying to save Moot. I don't have that much on links with anyone else, it's notable that he's interacted a lot with both Michi and Doc, sort of pushing Doc's case at points, and arguing for Michi D1 but then poking him D2. From his votes and pushes, I think it can be concluded that he's not w/w with me or Red.

He voted Red over Michi/Hapi, me over Ruguo/TGN, Sapph over TGN/BSR, TGN over Kane, and Doc over BSR.

Why would I lynch Moot if I feel like you’re more likely to be scum?

Coinflipped two people likely to be town, voted the scum only as OMGUS to self preserve, tried to “save” the seer after pushing his lynch despite realizing he was softing and then jumping out of it during EoD when it was unstoppable. As far as I reread up to D3 these are really scummy, not townie, mainly because the final vote counts give a false impression that you were always on the right side of history, when in reality you seemed to throw shade at multiple places without putting your vote where your mouth was. This got slightly better, but I can’t help but notice it was after you got put a bit under the spotlight. I don’t even think this is a case of TWTBW because you’re somehow going under the radar?

If Moot is scum, who do you think are his scumbuds? He wouldn’t be working by himself. Can you give me a list of 3 players you suspect to be his scumbuds and maybe show some links between them?

Because while approaching the game from the perspective that I'm scum you've lynched only town.

hansidhsnjdigkg
that’s low man don’t discredit me like that ; -;

Because while approaching the game from the perspective that I'm scum you've lynched only town.

hansidhsnjdigkg
that’s low man don’t discredit me like that ; -;

It's okie Ex, you're all <3, just very tunneled right now, I need you to see that. Once you take the perspective that I'm town either now or from my lynch at EoD I expect the game to wrap up pretty quickly.

ExLight Post

Okay. So Ex you seem to be pretty experienced. If I may borrow from that, what about Vro is pinging you as scum? I have my suspicions but I'm not sure how to properly articulate what I'm thinking without sounding like an idiot.

It’s mostly the stuff I mentioned in the recaps. Him jumping out of the wagon D1 can be interpreted as him not wanting to have his name attached to any lynches, scum not really trying to push his lynch D2, him jumping out of Sapph’s wagon despite pushing it after realizing the soft claims (and for some reason asking Anubv and only Anubv to jump out while if he wanted the lynch to be stopped he would’ve said it word by word in the thread). He also seems to like a ton of posts that without reading much into them, as some turned out to be cases into people that flipped Town, I feel like this also makes him look slightly bad. And at last I remember him putting a lot of energy into focusing more in defending himself and sheeping people overall rather than in  scumhunting, which isn’t a good sign; although I‘m a bit hazy about this so I might have to reread Days 4-6.
He does have a few nice things going for him, which is expected considering he’s been interacting a ton, but that slot is by far the one that is making me lose my head.

It's a little ridiculous to jump out of a lynch to keep my name out of it if I pushed the lynch in the first place, the Michi unvote should not be a reason to suss me unless you think I was saving a scum-buddy, it's quite obvious my name was going to be attached to it either way. One could argue that scum may not have been pushing me hard to let town do all their dirty-work, which fits in certainly with the Sapph lynch so far, I expected at least 2 wolves in there. I was also being pushed by Doc if I recall, so if he's a wolf there's your scum push on me right there.

I asked Anub because he was the likeliest to leave, and he was active in the thread at the time, it was very doubtful anyone else I asked would have left or even been there to leave, and I didn't see cozmik's unvote until it was already too late. I could have articulated it word for word, but I felt like the soft at this point was clear to everyone and you either believed Sapph's defense or you didn't, articulating it didn't seem like it would have much effect.

If I see a case I like in a post, I like the post. Multiple people can read into the same wrong mindsets. I think my like on the post you pointed out might have just been a misclick while scrolling though tbh. Maybe I am defending myself too much, but I've already laid out what I think, and I've voted and pushed the ones I find suspicious. My lowered levels of activity would be due to unforeseen things happening irl, as much as I hate using this excuse it has put a lot of pressure on me mentally and I have a lot less energy to devote to ISO'ing etc, defending myself is easier.

If you want to decide on my slot more feasibly, why not lynch Moot? My EoD voting pattern hasn't been that bad either, coinflip two null reads, lynch a wolf, try to save the Seer, try to save TGN, vote a townie that seemed suss imo, and vote Moot who I am almost certain is a wolf yesterday. I think I've been on the better side of the lynched for the most part, I think I actually look better than you in that case.

Vote - Wintermoot

So, can you explain the last part of this to me Vro? I'm not sure I understand the logic behind voting to lynch someone that, as far as I can tell, Ex isn't reading as scum for the sake of "info" if they're certain that they've got a scumread in you.

And Ex I may have misread things. Do you scumread Moot as well?

Hold up. I just saw that he's scumreading both of you. Which messes with my train of thought. I guess I can see then where that comes from. But at the same time I can see what Ex means about the last second unvote on Saph. It seems a little on the "oops I did something obvious lemme see if I can slide outta that "

So, can you explain the last part of this to me Vro? I'm not sure I understand the logic behind voting to lynch someone that, as far as I can tell, Ex isn't reading as scum for the sake of "info" if they're certain that they've got a scumread in you.

And Ex I may have misread things. Do you scumread Moot as well?

I think Ex is of the perspective that I and Moot aren't both wolves, I think the only reason he isn't going after Moot is that he's certain that I'm scum based on his reads, if he removes his certainty of me based on Moot's voting patterns and that we're not w/w, it becomes better to lynch Moot on a basis of gathering info on a prospective more active town member without lynching them, and hopefully lynching a wolf in the process.

Moot, if you're town why aren't you pushing me now?

Ex and Doc have both built upon your suspicions from earlier in the game, yet now when it's to scum's benefit to keep me alive as a distraction, you go after Doc. It just seems odd that you seem to have left me by the wayside, you didn't even mention me yesterday.

ExLight Post

Okay. So Ex you seem to be pretty experienced. If I may borrow from that, what about Vro is pinging you as scum? I have my suspicions but I'm not sure how to properly articulate what I'm thinking without sounding like an idiot.

It’s mostly the stuff I mentioned in the recaps. Him jumping out of the wagon D1 can be interpreted as him not wanting to have his name attached to any lynches, scum not really trying to push his lynch D2, him jumping out of Sapph’s wagon despite pushing it after realizing the soft claims (and for some reason asking Anubv and only Anubv to jump out while if he wanted the lynch to be stopped he would’ve said it word by word in the thread). He also seems to like a ton of posts that without reading much into them, as some turned out to be cases into people that flipped Town, I feel like this also makes him look slightly bad. And at last I remember him putting a lot of energy into focusing more in defending himself and sheeping people overall rather than in  scumhunting, which isn’t a good sign; although I‘m a bit hazy about this so I might have to reread Days 4-6.
He does have a few nice things going for him, which is expected considering he’s been interacting a ton, but that slot is by far the one that is making me lose my head.

It's a little ridiculous to jump out of a lynch to keep my name out of it if I pushed the lynch in the first place, the Michi unvote should not be a reason to suss me unless you think I was saving a scum-buddy, it's quite obvious my name was going to be attached to it either way. One could argue that scum may not have been pushing me hard to let town do all their dirty-work, which fits in certainly with the Sapph lynch so far, I expected at least 2 wolves in there. I was also being pushed by Doc if I recall, so if he's a wolf there's your scum push on me right there.

I asked Anub because he was the likeliest to leave, and he was active in the thread at the time, it was very doubtful anyone else I asked would have left or even been there to leave, and I didn't see cozmik's unvote until it was already too late. I could have articulated it word for word, but I felt like the soft at this point was clear to everyone and you either believed Sapph's defense or you didn't, articulating it didn't seem like it would have much effect.

If I see a case I like in a post, I like the post. Multiple people can read into the same wrong mindsets. I think my like on the post you pointed out might have just been a misclick while scrolling though tbh. Maybe I am defending myself too much, but I've already laid out what I think, and I've voted and pushed the ones I find suspicious. My lowered levels of activity would be due to unforeseen things happening irl, as much as I hate using this excuse it has put a lot of pressure on me mentally and I have a lot less energy to devote to ISO'ing etc, defending myself is easier.

If you want to decide on my slot more feasibly, why not lynch Moot? My EoD voting pattern hasn't been that bad either, coinflip two null reads, lynch a wolf, try to save the Seer, try to save TGN, vote a townie that seemed suss imo, and vote Moot who I am almost certain is a wolf yesterday. I think I've been on the better side of the lynched for the most part, I think I actually look better than you in that case.

Vote - Wintermoot

So, can you explain the last part of this to me Vro? I'm not sure I understand the logic behind voting to lynch someone that, as far as I can tell, Ex isn't reading as scum for the sake of "info" if they're certain that they've got a scumread in you.

And Ex I may have misread things. Do you scumread Moot as well?

I was originally townreading Moot based on what I could remember, but upon reading his posts again I realized it was actually really scummy if anything.
So both Vro and Moot have done things that make me believe they both have a decent chance of being scum.

But there’s a major issue with that: I don’t think they can both be scum at the same time because Vro and Moot have been having really antagonistic positions towards each other, which makes me think only one of them truly is scum and the other one is just town being misinterpreted. From my reads Vro is the one more likely of being scum, and Moot of being the misinterpreted Town.

hansidhsnjdigkg
that’s low man don’t discredit me like that ; -;

I mean, that seems to be the majority of why people think I'm scum, because I keep being on mislynch wagons, then conveniently forgetting that every fucking wagon except one so far has been a mislynch when it comes time to examine themselves.

As it stands, my scumreads right now have crystallized.
IMO it's Moot, Gerrick, and (unknown third party); my instinct was 'whoever the 4th vote on BSR was', but it was ExLight and despite some...disagreeable reasoning today, I continue to townread him. (Unknown Third Party) for me is essentially a coinflip on either Wischland or Michi; I favor Wischland a little more just on the basis of the early push on Michi but it could still go either way for me.
Still working on the vote analysis but it's been a bad couple days for my sanity. Been limited to Discord because I refuse to browse the forums on my phone. I'll try to get at least D2 and D3 out today, but for now since I didn't vote the last time round I'm gonna register one early.

Vote: Wintermoot

hansidhsnjdigkg
that’s low man don’t discredit me like that ; -;

I mean, that seems to be the majority of why people think I'm scum, because I keep being on mislynch wagons, then conveniently forgetting that every fucking wagon except one so far has been a mislynch when it comes time to examine themselves.

As it stands, my scumreads right now have crystallized.
IMO it's Moot, Gerrick, and (unknown third party); my instinct was 'whoever the 4th vote on BSR was', but it was ExLight and despite some...disagreeable reasoning today, I continue to townread him. (Unknown Third Party) for me is essentially a coinflip on either Wischland or Michi; I favor Wischland a little more just on the basis of the early push on Michi but it could still go either way for me.
Still working on the vote analysis but it's been a bad couple days for my sanity. Been limited to Discord because I refuse to browse the forums on my phone. I'll try to get at least D2 and D3 out today, but for now since I didn't vote the last time round I'm gonna register one early.

Vote: Wintermoot

And if Moot flips town who will the scumteam be? If you’re town you should be worried about that.

at that point, frankly, i'll have given up on solving the game and just start congratulating scum for being so absurdly fucking effective at hiding under the goddamn radar
and honest to god i don't much care if that sense of defeatism makes me look like scum or not because honestly it's been 7 days and our one good lynch looks increasingly like it happened entirely by accident, so if i wind up mislynched as a result of this post i'll just say 'well, thanks, now i don't need to worry about fucking up in WW anymore cause boy howdy has this sure been a shitshow for every member of town - bar the Defenders who are 100% MVP, seriously preventing 3 NKs (unless scum is fucking with us, but i'd really rather not believe in that possibility because if that's the case then i really would rather be dead and staring from the sidelines) is an absolute ledge moment - and it'll be a huge relief to just sit on the sidelines and watch the continual shitshow parade instead of actively participating anymore'

Really not a fan if that attitude tbh. Town isn’t even in a tight spot atm, lol.

So, can you explain the last part of this to me Vro? I'm not sure I understand the logic behind voting to lynch someone that, as far as I can tell, Ex isn't reading as scum for the sake of "info" if they're certain that they've got a scumread in you.

And Ex I may have misread things. Do you scumread Moot as well?

I think Ex is of the perspective that I and Moot aren't both wolves, I think the only reason he isn't going after Moot is that he's certain that I'm scum based on his reads, if he removes his certainty of me based on Moot's voting patterns and that we're not w/w, it becomes better to lynch Moot on a basis of gathering info on a prospective more active town member without lynching them, and hopefully lynching a wolf in the process.

So what information would be gleaned from lynching Moot. I mean as opposed to lynching you. You're both on the top of my list but I can sort of understand the argument behind ignoring a soft claim like that. After all any one of us could make a similar claim.