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Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes
7 (87.5%)
No
1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM


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    Vote: TGN
    Are you able to expound upon this in any way? That statement alone isn't going to make anyone unvote you. If you're waiting for a better reason/opportunity, I think now is the only time you should present your defense. It sounds like you're going to plan to present a defense at the very last second and leave us a very narrow margin of time to change our minds to make us panic so we do switch off of you, which I do not appreciate.

    Like if you're softing a power role, soft harder, right now, it's do-or-die for you. You have presented no believable or realistic reason why we shouldn't lynch you. Even a stronger case against TGN from you personally is something at least.
    like c’moooon

    look at this
    how is this townie

    he then acts like he has a super insight realizing it’s a power role when he asks abnuv to unvote which is ridiculously fake
    he’s already aware sapph is softing a power role here and instead demands him to “soft harder”

    I cantttt

    If I die tonight and BSR flips green please lynch Vro, I thanks

    Sapph did soft harder after that though. And that's when Vro had the insight.
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  • It seems like he already knew what Saph had in mind with the first message. The second soft was completely unnecessary, a soft is a soft and the fact Vro was already considering the possibility of it being a soft shows the idea had already gone through.

    If anything asking someone to “soft harder” sounds like rolefishing to check whether they should powerwolf or get ready for a nightkill.
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    Vote: Gerrick
    I don't have time to explain right now, I'll do so next day phase.
    Oh, yeah, forgot to make this part of my earlier post; were you ever gonna explain this like you said you would? All you said was
    Also still kinda hung up on Gerrick, though his defenses have been decently strong. Not liking that Michi is still in his scum list though, cuz I'm not really seeing it.
    Doesn't seem to constitute much of an explanation, but if it counts for you, it counts, I guess.
    Oh, right. Mostly these posts by Minish (who has now flipped town, so) that added to my general suspicion:

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    Ruguo - 1 (Red Mones)
    Red Mones    - 1 (Wintermoot)
    Vroendal - 1 (Sapphiron)
    Adorable Oracle Hapi - 4 (NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, Cozmikrae)
    Michi - 4 (Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland, Minish)
    BraveSirRobin - 1 (Imaginative Kane)
    Cozmikrae - 1 (Hapi)

    Ruguo - 9 (Red Mones, Vroendal, Gerrick, Anubhav Ghosh, Sapphiron, Minish, Michi, Melehan, Cozmikrae)
    Vroendal - 5 (Ruguo, BraveSirRobin, Wintermoot, NyghtOwl, Doc)
    BraveSirRobin - 1 (Imaginative Kane)
    Doc - 1 (TGN)
    Eastern New England - 1 (Self)

    Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
    Sapphiron - 6 (Minish, Imaginative Kane, TGN, Wintermoot, Legacy of Smiles, Human Dawn)
    BraveSirRobin - 2 (Gerrick, NyghtOwl)
    TGN - 6 (Vroendal, Sapphiron, Wischland, BraveSirRobin, Doc, ExLight)

    TGN - 8 (BraveSirRobin, Doc, ExLight, Gerrick, Imaginative Kane, Minish, Red Mones, Wintermoot)
    Imaginative Kane - 6 (Anubhav Ghosh, Cozmikrae, Legacy of Smiles, TGN, Vroendal, Wischland)
    BraveSirRobin - 1 (Michi)
    Cozmikrae - 1 (Human Dawn)


    Interestingly, Vro and Wisch are the only two who voted for TGN against Sapph, but not against Kane. Dunno if that means anything.

    I don't think Doc and Vro are aligned. Doc has a pretty bad voting history actually. But I don't know if he's one to bus or not, because the Silver lynch was prime bussing opportunity.

    Looking at the votes on Silver (Red Mones, Vroendal, Gerrick, Anubhav Ghosh, Sapphiron, Minish, Michi, Melehan, Cozmikrae), it looks like a pretty decent list actually.
    I know I'm town, I really believe Red to be town, Anubhav seems town, Sapph is flipped town, Michi seems town, Melehan is flipped town, and I'm kinda town leaning Cozmik at the moment. So that just leaves Vro and Gerrick as the unknowns though I'm also kinda town leaning Vro even though I'm a bit paranoid about him.

    Interestingly, I was just searching the print page to see if I could find where Gerrick's vote actually fell on Silver and I found a reads list that I'll talk about in a separate post. But it kind of makes me suspicious of him.

    Oh fuck me, I just remembered looking back how bad Gerrick's vote on Silver was. Dunno how I forgot this. I had broken the tie between Silver/Vro and Gerrick voted after me. But he only voted because he said he would to prove he and Silver weren't connected and Red told him to prove it. I felt not great about that at the time and it completely slipped my mind.

    Nevermind this post has turned into looking at Gerrick, so gonna post the reads list here.

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    Lean Town
    Wintermoot: Reads very similar to how he played last game when he was town.
    Nyght: Seems to genuinely try to get the hang of this as a new player out in the open rather than talking to fellow wolves in private chat were he scum, so I'm town-reading him.
    Kane: Seems to be genuinely helpful and trying to find scum.
    Wischland: Appears to be acting the same as last game (which involved jumping on bandwagons) when she was town. Would like to hear more from her.
    Dawcreek: Has yet to post. This lines up with last game (when he was town) where he ended up backing out of the game because it was overwhelming. I expect the same to happen again, unfortunately.
    Minish: Making some really good points on people and sussing them out/asking people for meta.
    Vroendal: Going a little hard on Michi considering the meta evidence (metevidence?) isn't as strong as he believes it is, but he is going hard on people like last game when he was town. I don't see the links between players he's talking about, though.

    Neutral
    Alexander Valentine: Has not posted, but has been online. Again, a new person, so understandable if he's overwhelmed.
    Doc: Has made some reasonable points on suspicions. Looking a little more town than last game when he was scum.
    cozmik: People are unfortunately fixated on her joke vote on Red (I know how that goes all too well). Don't like the whole "playing my strategy close to the chest" bit, which in general is not good for town, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt right now since she's new here, and hounding on the new players is no fun.
    Melehan: At first went hard on the RP chaos aspect (I assume she's taking a page from Hapi's playstyle after she read last game), which makes me lean scum, but then later she seemed to be really digging and coming to some of the same conclusions I am on people.
    Hapi: I find her accusations against cozmik to be weak, but other than that there's not much to go on besides the memes. Hard to read Hapi.
    Ruguo: Has spoken quite a bit but has been pretty shallow in their suspects, but I find their recent analysis prompted by Vro to be reasonable.
    Red Mones: I don't buy the accusation that he's knowingly protecting cozmik because he's scum -- I'd do the same thing in his place. He has been playing very defensively, though, and I don't like how he doesn't have a vote in right now.
    TGN: I don't think anyone can comprehend his actions. He seems to be on a level higher than everyone else, and his chaotic tendencies rival Hapi's.
    Ogun: Has only made one post showing worry about the amount of posts to catch up on. Hope he ends up reading through it all and making a vote like he did last game as town. If not, he'll move to the scum section for me.
    ENE: Posted a copypasta about why everyone should vote D1 then hasn't voted or even posted beyond that. He did turn out to be town last game while being quiet, though, so that might just be his style.

    Lean Scum
    Michi: Honestly, I'm surprised my vote turned into a wagon, but I'm sure as hell not gonna change my vote in case he turns out to be scum (someone's gotta die anyway). But his reactions to the wagon are kinda rubbing me the wrong way, luckily. Although his non-vote appears to be NAI in his case, he seems to really want everyone to be more quiet and less aggressive, which is usually better for the wolves.
    BSR: Made a post asking about roles, and that's it. Tried to look helpful before falling back into the shadows? He's been online...
    Sapphiron: Voted based on "RNG", and then stated we shouldn't take D1 discussion as very important, but that's it. Everything's important this early on, so don't know why he'd downplay it already (understandable later on, though)


    Okay so, I colored the flips from his list and this is from d1. But, the contents of the list are interesting and seem vaguely familiar to how I'll do reads lists as scum sometimes in that he throws a few people who he knows are town in the town reads, has some nulls to be able to throw some sus on later, and then lists 3 scum leans. I find the list interesting for d1, because he has 3 scum leans and quite a few town leans already. But also the fact that of his town reads (Winter, Nyght, Kane, Wisch, Dawcreek/Anubhav, Me, and Vro), there are some very iffy reads in there and a few people I'm currently unsure about. I know I'm town and I believe Nyght and Anubhav to be town. But the ones that are interesting are Winter, Kane, and Wisch who he gives shallow reasons for town reading, who hadn't posted as much as a lot of people in his nulls, and who are still in PoE at the moment.

    Gerrick had a bunch of people in his neutrals that had posted quite a bit, and he even reads some of them a certain way (ie, saying Doc seems townier than last game) yet that's not enough to read them but he had enough to read Winter, Kane, and Wisch?

    As for his scum leans, we already know Sapph was town, Michi seems to look town, and BSR is an unknown. Though Gerrick did stay off the two town wagons of Sapph/TGN d3 and voted BSR instead, so I'm kinda feeling maybe BSR is town that scum was trying to make an easy mislynch push on now...


    I think I'd feel pretty good about voting Gerrick today.

    And:

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    @ExLight I kinda glanced over Vro's reads list you asked me to (getting pretty tired so this is brief) and tbh it didn't seem as bad as Gerrick's to me. I understand having a lot of nulls that early, even ones that have flipped town now, than having town reads on people who haven't said/done much of anything and nulls on people who have.

    The one interesting thing I saw because I just read Vro's previous post is that in that he said he was wary of Wisch d1 but Wisch is in his town reads d1. Funny that there are two reads lists with Wisch as town d1 and I honestly don't really remember any of Wisch's posts (this is of no offense, just meant that you haven't had a big impact on things as much as others).

    Anyways I'll have to go to bed soon and I think I talked myself into this.
    Vote: Gerrick


    -Red Mones: Helped lead the Ruguo wagon D2, and I personally think was cleared by Sapph’s poem. Don’t like his very sharp drop in posts since D2, but it’s understandable with how active the game is. Thoughts on Vro and Michi?
    I think Michi is town that's kinda checked out at this point. Bad experience D1, and ready to work on Spyfall and WW 25.

    Vro is a wild card. I thought they were town early on, but not so much anymore. Something since D2 changed that I can't quite grasp. Also some of my other town leans have some suspicions as well, so yeah. Firmly null at this point probably.
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  • CFDing BSR doesn’t sound that bad. I think my preference order is actually Doc > BSR > Wintermoot so that’s still better.
    Mine would probably be BSR > Doc. Gerrick, eeeehhhhh, Idk, still on the fence, but like I said his defense is solid. Doc and BSR seem to have something a bit more tangible.

    I'm willing to go after Vro if BSR is lynched and flips town.
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  • It seems like he already knew what Saph had in mind with the first message. The second soft was completely unnecessary, a soft is a soft and the fact Vro was already considering the possibility of it being a soft shows the idea had already gone through.

    If anything asking someone to “soft harder” sounds like rolefishing to check whether they should powerwolf or get ready for a nightkill.

    Hmmm... this is a fair point.

    I'm extremely skeptical. You and your pinky swears have probably figured this out by now. I tend not to believe unless given a really good reason. Sapph's hard soft sold me, the original soft was just.... eh.... So I empathized with Vro here.
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  • at this point I just want BSR to flip scum and make me give up because of me being on the wrong track the entire game yeet
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  • Here's what I count :

    BSR (4): Michi, Wischland, Red Mones, ExLight
    Wintermoot (3): Anubhav, Vroendal, Legacy
    cozmikrae (1): Gerrick
    Doc (1): Wintermoot
    Gerrick (1): cozmikrae
    No vote: Nyght, Doc, BSR

    There's two obvious viable wagons with not much left if this day. Both are null for me, but if I had to choose one...

    Vote: BraveSirRobin

    His defense of cozmik definitely links them. Plus if he flips scum, that'll make me feel much better about Michi.
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  • D3 general recap and analysis:

    Page 37:
    -Red Mones scumreading Gerrick. I think this vote is coherent with the events from D2’s EoD and thus towny.
    -Vro opposes BSR and Wintermoot. Immediately prompts me into reading Minish and questions me on why I’m townreading her.
    -Wischland makes a readlist, a pretty large amount of scumleans. Shouldn’t the expected be a ton of nulls and townreads? I need to recheck later to see if her list is coherent with her plays.
    -Red Mones commentary that 3 strong players subbed-in so someone should be scum for balance is nonsensical. It’s pure RNG, us being considered strong players means nothing, the host isn’t to interfere with this kind of stuff. Oh Minish points that out right after. Anyway, seeing Vro and Nyghts being core Town here bothers me a bit.

    Page 38:
    -HD notices Silver possibly praising Vro. Hmm, pocketing? Kinda ambiguous but favorable towards Vro.

    Page 39:
    -Me and Minish discussing a few things.

    Page 40:
    -Me and Minish discussing TGN and a bit of Vro.

    -Gerrick saying they were pinged by Red. Why is Red worried about whether or not Gerrick is being voted? Can someone tell me if they’re close or something? Nevermind, Doc clarified a few pages later it was about something else.

    Page 41:
    -Oof TGN saying they were now focused on helping. I feel bad now, sorry again buddy.
    -Sapph voted BSR. Also emphasized he did not see the Vro thing as wolfy which is kinda weird, is it coherent with his D2 mindset? Might be a green check on Vro.

    Page 42:
    -Hmm, I didn’t like the Silver/Ogum interactions despite the fact I’m Townreading Smiles. Am I being fooled by the turtle? I’ll still bite the bullet and trust them. Still not a fan of Moot pushing Red since I’m townreading Red.
    -HumanDawn points out that weird Anubhav Ghosh interaction again, hmm. I don’t remember if I mentioned it in a previous recap. It’s a bit weird and makes me iffy of him if Vro is Town.
    -Doc discussing game philosophies again. Oh ok, he explains what that ping thing was about, good. Also tunneling on a TGN and Vro scumteam, the logic here is fine. TGN flipped Town but since it was brought to me he was just a kid I don’t think he realizes in depths of the game, him not even trying to vote a counterwagon to self-preserve shows that and I feel like while this might be taken as protecting a scumbud it could be also just not being sure on how to play, and I feel like Doc should’ve been aware of this? Maybe he just had expectations too high for TGN, but still.

    Page 43:
    -Continuation of a small discussion on whether or not to not lynch. It’s simple, we should always expect 2 deaths per phase (unless inactives are around to mess things up that’s why everyone has to be active), so we can predict when -Lo will happen. LyLo is always better because it means smaller PoE, so better chances of lynching. It’s a bit tricky because Doctor might protect someone but if that puts us in MyLo it’s actually technically worse. I need to remember if No Lynch is allowed in MyLo, but since we can only use it once scum might be able to manipulate that with the kills, so it’s a bit weird.
    -Vro says a lot.
    -Smiles hardclears EME.

    Page 44:
    -Anubhav justifies him weird post. Hmm, it’s quite the advanced thinking for a first game, it’s kinda interesting.
    -Gerrick makes am useful post. I actually agree with pretty much everything in it except for the Kane laying out thoughts well. He might be one of those players that just are able to persuade me easily so I’m mildly paranoid specially after Minish dying after slinging them out.
    -Vro and Gerrick vote BSR. Ok, so see? This is the kind of shit that makes me nervous. Vro jumps right after saying they’ll bite into the BSR argument. There’s no argument, lol, you’re wanting to get rid of him because he put your ass in the line before. Big wagon forming, doesn’t really mean much. Makes me think Vro and BSR aren’t scumbuds together

    Page 45:
    -Discussion about the importance of Meta.
    -Minish’s recap of Silver. There’s definitely stuff here hinting at other scum, hmm. It’s kinda weird. I don’t really like the Doc interaction. The BSR interaction seemed fine from what I remember? I don’t remember finding it artificial, hmm.
    -Minish also seemed to think Sapph and BSR weren’t aligned. I might give another look into their interactions with each other, but Minish flipping Town makes me wanna just sheep some stuff she was into. She also gives a readlist later one, stuff didn’t change much.

    Page 46:
    -cozmikrae also ISOs Silver and seems to have the same feeling towards the Silver/Doc interactions that I had.
    -Doc and cozmikrae vote TGN, so its wagon is now a leading one.
    -Jesus Christ my opinions were completely shit, sorry I’ve been townleading :rinsad:

    Page 47:
    -Me pressuring TGN (sigh).
    -Smiles votes somewhere else.

    Page 48:
    -Wischland’s post showing two sides of the same coin kinda pokes me a bit, but the logic in it is fair, I don’t think there’s anything for us here.
    -Vro posts make all my red flags rise snsnfkgomdks is it the way he words these or what? He says TGN is reading townie and still says he might vote for TGN. I have no idea what that BSR interaction in the beginning was about and it also bothers me. I feel like there’s a considerable chance of Vro and BSR not being same alignment

    Page 49:
    -Surprisingly Doc defends BSR. I actually agree that it’s prolly NAI, but if BSR flips scum maybe I’d consider the odds of Doc and BSR being scum together slightly higher.
    -Vro hits up with the generic “I don’t know who to trust!!”. A bit early for that and a bit scummy but ok.
    -TGN and Sapph’s wagon gain the lead and become the guaranteed lynch of the day. I think maybe one scum in the split wagons and the other two not voting. Considering the flips and my townlocked reads that leaves Doc, Vroendal, and Wischland.

    Page 50:
    -Nyghts post here is interesting. Can be taken as scum voting somewhere else to not leave a trail, but could also be Town that still haven’t caught up with the latest votes and still thinks BSR is viable. This makes me think that if BSR is scum, Nyghts isn’t likely to be a scumbuddy.

    Page 51:
    - Wintermoot’s post. Votes Sapph while pointing out his soft as “generic”. I don’t like the rest of the post either, kinda like “twas so obvious TGN was town” vibes and I actually remember them throwing shade at TGN back in D2, so this is quite the red flag behavior.
    -Oh my fucking god. What is that post from Vro quoting Sapph and asking him to soft harder because that “isn’t enough”. Rolefishing much? This also shows that the whole “Please unvote, Anubv!!” is extremely weird.
    -Sapph mentioning people rolling scum twice catches my eye in his post but I’m not sure if that leads anywhere, I’ll recheck the scum from last game.
    -BSR actually voices the worry about Saph being a power role, which actually makes me have really mixed feeling towards him. nsjshdnsksuwhenmf would scum do this? Was it already a guaranteed lynch to their eyes? Wouldn’t Town hesitate in trusting a soft? Really really really mixed feelings here.

    Page 52:
    -I hate Vro’s post. He sees Sapph’s post softing harder and goes like “nah, you did what I asked but I still don’t believe you” BUT STILL ASKS ABOUT SOMEONE TRYING TO JUMP OFF THE WAGON. He later makes a list with his scumreads, he’s suddenly trusting Sapph (despite not panicking over the fact a Power Role he trusts is being lynched) and makes a list of possible scum (which is kinda making scream internally because no way I cut or dice it it feels like everyone there has to be Town if he’s scum??).

    Page 53 to 55:
    -He actually seems to attempt to coordinate something to save Saph, though?? usvsigoofjosnnidindodmirb I need to reread what Vro said about this Day later on. This is a mess.
    -Sapph poem.
    -Vro and Anubv is basically that Spongebob scene “because he told me toooo!!!”. Vro lacked initiative to vocalize a defense of what he thought to be a power role. Hate it. If he’s scum he benefits from TGN flipping Town since Doc kept pushing that they were both paired.
    -BSR makes another post pretty much OMGUSing and saying he won’t make an effort to save Sapph lol. Really hate it too.
    -Doc: “Preliminary votecount off the Discord, credit to Gerrick”. Wow. You know, I made the exact same votecount before him ùmú
    -cozmikrae’s tying unvote was terribly unfortunate and really pushes her a bit down in my list. From seeing her personality a bit more I feel like it was more impulsive than strategic, so it makes me think it’s more likely as town, but still a move scum would do.

    It’s kinda jank this time, sorry umu

    mobile sucks

    No vote progression this time cuz we’re almost at deadline and I’m rushing this already.
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  • Final Vote Count:

    BraveSirRobin - 5 (ExLight, Gerrick, Michi, Red Mones, Wischland)
    Wintermoot - 3 (Anubhav Ghosh, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal)
    Gerrick - 1 (Cozmikrae)
    Doc - 1 (Wintermoot)

    BSR is thus the lynch. He was a normal Scout.
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    Vote: Vroendal

    Vroendal/Doc/Anubv is my guess for scumteam, lesgo.

    Third slot is a bit tricky, so really could be someone who was mildly inactive or overdefensive.

    Very slightly chance of Red having hard bussed Silver, which I find really unlikely but still a possibility. And if Smiles is scum I don’t think I’ll be able to spot that without anyone make a strong case on them, I’m pretty set on putting him them on towncore and maybe dying on this hill.
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  • Okay. So Ex you seem to be pretty experienced. If I may borrow from that, what about Vro is pinging you as scum? I have my suspicions but I'm not sure how to properly articulate what I'm thinking without sounding like an idiot.
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    Vote: Vroendal

    Vroendal/Doc/Anubv is my guess for scumteam, lesgo.

    Third slot is a bit tricky, so really could be someone who was mildly inactive or overdefensive.

    Very slightly chance of Red having hard bussed Silver, which I find really unlikely but still a possibility. And if Smiles is scum I don’t think I’ll be able to spot that without anyone make a strong case on them, I’m pretty set on putting him them on towncore and maybe dying on this hill.
    I think the only way Red would bus like that D2 is if a lot of his team were in danger and they needed one person to go super deep to compensate (so unlikely to be w/w with people like Nyght who were well-regarded).

    This is in super tinfoil territory but he has surprisingly good scum equity with Vro as Vro was the counterwagon that day so bussing either side hard would probably be the best move. But if this is my scumteam then I probably die laughing.

    Wondering if Doc not bussing hard on D2 if Vro was scum would mean that those two slots can't be w/w. It would also be weird if there were two votes on moot yesterday but none on BSR.

    Anubhav wolf is a spicy take but I don't even dislike it, I think I've really underestimated his capabilities and there's a lot of his stuff I disagree with but he's still in my top 3 towns. I strongly still think he's towning but I also think I am guilty of misclearing him. (Top Anubhav wolf partner would actually be Michi BTW and that's a super spicy take on top of a super spicy take lol).
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  • Anubhav, can you please name me the three people who you believe are least likely to be wolves at this point in time?
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